True, but consider that Vegeta said that even Krillin's power was still increasing when they fought Freeza (hell, Krillin was about 10K fighting Recoome but was later able to do pretty well against 23K Ginyu-Goku). Evidently either the power-unlock had a further delayed effect, or something about those fights on Namek made them incredible fighting experience for his development.LonelyShadow wrote: I understand, but Krillin was horrified by the Ginyu force, even if he trained for 3 years I don't see why he was so strong. I don't even think that Goku's training with Piccolo and Gohan gave him such results like Krillin's, Also, I never understood why, apparently, Krillin is superior to Tenshinhan, I don't know if it's true, but I read it many times.
So even by the end of Namek Krillin must've been getting well up there in power. Then you have three years of training. If you still find it unbelievable that's an entirely fair viewpoint, but it makes sense to me.
They can indeed be entertaining--in the context of the story, when the previous build-up makes you really want to see the fighter on the receiving end get taken down a peg or two. Usually the purpose of matches posted on this thread is to try and determine (to the best of our ability) who would actually win if these two characters fought.supercat wrote: Barring individual preferences and such, I'm sure you can still acknowledge the fact that one-sided stomps can prove to be rather entertaining. Personally, I'm in favor of feasting my eyes on a fighter snagging an easy victory via one hit over watching someone win solely because of their ability to induce metamorphosis. Something about the latter just doesn't seem to pique my interest. Perhaps I'm just not a fan of battles that are heavily saturated with comic relief (Candy Beam).
If you find battles determined by hand-to-hand fighting or ki shootouts more entertaining, that is perfectly fair, and feel free to post matches specifying that certain abilities are disallowed, as has often been done before; if other people think the same, they'll do the same. And just remember that, as I noted, these abilities are basically never flawless and all of them have been countered in some way, making them far from an insta-win button.
I don't see Piccolo as having improved all that much since Namek here; he should still be well behind Goku.ahill1 wrote: Piccolo(trunks arc) vs Goku base(vs freeza)
Vegeta(uub arc - 10 years after goku vs buu) vs Kid Buu
Vegeta for sure.
