Why is Chris Sabat better treated than Paul Bandey?

[RedRibbonSoldier#42]

You may say that but that doesn't absolutely mean they could or should or would sound human. Mewtwo has traits in common with humans and from what I heard (I really don't watch the series, it didnot sound much like a human. I have answered it although maybe not in a matter you're satisfied with but I have.

You have not said what you want a Namekian to sound like that is different than what humans sound like.

[MCDaveG]

No he doesn't. Morrow never captures Goku's manchild personality. He's a far more forgettable and less talented Ian Corlette. He's not as bad as Kelamis, but he's not an interesting actor for that role. His voice doesn't match Goku's design. I see that design and I don't hear that kind of voice coming out of that character. He might make a good Trunks, but not Son Goku.

Which is subjective, as I literally can't stand to hear Sean Schemel's Goku and think that Kelamis was the Goku, closest to the original Japanese version.
Everytime Schemel screams, I have the urge to poke someone in the eye.

In the end, I don't care, watching Japanese version.
Objectively, Big Green dub is probably the second worst english dub after the Malay one.

[ABED]

Which is subjective, as I literally can't stand to hear Sean Schemel's Goku and think that Kelamis was the Goku, closest to the original Japanese version.

Except in talent. Why is sounding like another actor the most important criterion?

Guru is not voiced by him and he's good
Dende is pretty decent too

Both of them have normal voices.

You may say that but that doesn't absolutely mean they could or should or would sound human.

The likelihood of an actual alien being humanoid is slim.

[Soppa Saia People]

Guru is not voiced by him and he's good
Dende is pretty decent too

The grand elder sounds like a old man and I've meet some people who sound like Dende . It seems to me you just hate sabat.

[UltimateHammerBro]

Guru is not voiced by him and he's good
Dende is pretty decent too

The grand elder sounds like a old man and I've meet some people who sound like Dende . It seems to me you just hate sabat.

I thought this almost since the first time I read this topic.
I keep stating my point: Piccolo's been voiced, in every dub, by a human voice actor, sounding human, so by his logic all of them would be bad. Maybe Chris Sabat is "more human" than the other VAs? Or maybe the Big Green actors are less human?

[ABED]

<br abp="803">No he doesn't. Morrow never captures Goku's manchild personality. He's a far more forgettable and less talented Ian Corlette. He's not as bad as Kelamis, but he's not an interesting actor for that role. His voice doesn't match Goku's design. I see that design and I don't hear that kind of voice coming out of that character. He might make a good Trunks, but not Son Goku.<br abp="804">

<br abp="805"><br abp="806">Which is subjective, as I literally can't stand to hear Sean Schemel's Goku and think that Kelamis was the Goku, closest to the original Japanese version.<br abp="807">Everytime Schemel screams, I have the urge to poke someone in the eye. <br abp="808"><br abp="809">In the end, I don't care, watching Japanese version.<br abp="810">Objectively, Big Green dub is probably the second worst english dub after the Malay one.

This was about Morrow, not Schemmel. Morrow's voice is far too soft for Goku.

What's wrong with Schemmel's screams?

[Ree]

Too soft is at least better than too rough and at least he has a smooth voice

[ABED]

Too soft is at least better than too rough and at least he has a smooth voice

How is Schemmel's voice rough? He doesn't have a gravelly delivery or a raspy delivery.

[Ree]

The voice itself that he uses is pretty heavy

[ABED]

The voice itself that he uses is pretty heavy

Meaning what?

[Ree]

Its not as light hearted and smooth as it could be and you can hear struggle at points.

[ABED]

Its not as light hearted and smooth as it could be and you can hear struggle at points.

It is lighthearted when the moment calls for it and it is smooth and natural. Struggle to do what?

Morrow's Goku lacks the energy for such a character.

[Ree]

Even in goofy moments he still sounds little more serious than he should whileKirby could do his goofy moments and not sound like a moron. Struggle meaning some lines do not sound 100% natural

You must have never heard his Buu saga take

[ABED]

Even in goofy moments he still sounds little more serious than he should whileKirby could do his goofy moments and not sound like a moron. Struggle meaning some lines do not sound 100% natural

You must have never heard his Buu saga take

When? Be specific. Even if I agreed that Schemmel sounds moronic, at least he conveys the character to a far closer degree. No matter what I say positive about Schemmel's performance, you will disagree, to the point if it feeling disingenuous. You've claimed Schemmel is both over the top and lacks energy. Kirby's delivery sound natural, but they are too subdued and soft spoken for a character like Goku.

Who's Buu saga take?

[Ree]

You can exaggerate and still lack necessary energy. At the end of the third movie when he talks to Tien and Roshi, when he's in space training,etc.

You mean like how you've gone out of your way to slander Kirby Morrow? No matter WHAT clips I show, WHAT I say about it you dismiss him even when the clips shown contradict yourself

Kirby's

[ABED]

You can exaggerate and still lack necessary energy. At the end of the third movie when he talks to Tenshinhan and Roshi, when he's in space training,etc.

You mean like how you've gone out of your way to slander Kirby Morrow? No matter WHAT clips I show, WHAT I say about it you dismiss him even when the clips shown contradict yourself

Kirby's

I haven't slandered anyone. I don't like those clips. He lacks the energy to voice Goku. He's not a bad actor, but he's not Goku. I haven't dismissed everything about him, I've said he has a natural delivery, but it's not one befitting Son Goku. It's too soft. And slander is a VERY strong word, not just that, it's the wrong one. In print, it's libel, slander is spoken.

I have heard Kirby's voice in the Buu arc, and that's why I don't like his Goku.

[Fionordequester]

You can exaggerate and still lack necessary energy. At the end of the third movie when he talks to Tenshinhan and Roshi, when he's in space training,etc.

You mean like how you've gone out of your way to slander Kirby Morrow? No matter WHAT clips I show, WHAT I say about it you dismiss him even when the clips shown contradict yourself

Kirby's

No...I think ABED's been pretty reasonable. I mean, he's not always perfect in his critiques, but I think he's being pretty on-point and constructive here. Honestly Ree, sometimes people just do not share your opinions, no matter what you say. And as someone who's always been a huge fan of the old FUNimation Z dub (and still believes it to be more enjoyable than the Original version), I too experience a lot of frustration over all the criticism my favorite dub gets...but, what can you do? I don't know what new things either of us could say. We'd just be going in circles if we kept going on.

Besides, you don't want to die on your sword over this, do you? If you make people too mad now, things might get kind of awkward later, you know?

[Singh is King]

My honest answer is that he's from FUNimation, whereas Paul Bandey is from Big Green/AB Groupe. FUNimation tends to be loved by most Anime fans these days, while AB Groupe is loathed.

That said, I actually do like Chris Sabat's voices for Vegeta, Yamcha, Shenron, and Demon King Piccolo the most out of all the English dub voices they've had. He has also shown to have good range, like when he voiced Kazuma Kuwabara in Yu Yu Hakusho, or in Baki the Grappler as the cord cutter fighter.

[TheBlackPaladin]

I think it's also worth pointing out that, until very recently, I had no idea who Paul Bandey is. For that matter, I don't think the vast majority of us did. The cast of the Big Green dub was an enduring mystery for quite some time. When you don't have faces or names, it's significantly easier to just think of the voices as just that--abstract voices, that appeared for no discernible reason. Paul Bandy has, to my knowledge, never been criticized. The voices he provided were.

Put another way...the more you know about a person, the harder it can be to make fun of them...the less you know, the easier it is.

It's also nothing that was only applied to Paul Bandey's voices. The entire Big Green cast, no, not just the cast, but the whole dub itself, received the same treatment because of how silly and out-of-place things appeared to be.

[Ree]

ABED
Slander is making false or damaging statements and in my eyes your statements on him are false on some level

Fionordequesrer
I accept that people don't agree
You're right it is frustrating

Singh is King
that was actually my first impression too, it happens with Ocean/Saban/westwood after all

TheBlackPaladin
hopefully now that we're getting closer to knowing them they won't be as bashed as they used to
I can't wait to see the end of that stupid nickname!