The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

[Blackstripe]

2. Broly would be moe

The idea of a moe Broly terrifies me on a fundamental level.

What if Dr. Gero had turned Crane Hermit and Taopaipai into Cyborg #17 and #18, giving them both youthful bodies and infinite energy, with similar power to Lapis and Lazuli.

[Scarlet Spider]

2. Broly would be moe

The idea of a moe Broly terrifies me on a fundamental level.

Spoiler:

What if Gohan told his mother he doesn't want to study and decides to train? Would she accept or disown him?

What if Broly was locked in the hyperbolic time chamber with Goku, Goten, Bardock and Turles?

[jcogginsa]

What if Gohan told his mother he doesn't want to study and decides to train? Would she accept or disown him?

When does he say this?

[DBZAOTA482]

What if Gohan told his mother he doesn't want to study and decides to train? Would she accept or disown him?

What if Broly was locked in the hyperbolic time chamber with Goku, Goten, Bardock and Tullece?

-Similar to what Gon and his caregiver was like... they argue about for a while but she accepts it in the end.
-Broly goes super duper mega crazy but Goku quickly puts him in his place.

[Blackstripe]

What if Sorbet and Tagoma instead revived King Cold first, and similarly, lost their second wish to Shu, preventing them from resurrecting Freeza?

[Doctor.]

What if Sorbet and Tagoma instead revived King Cold first, and similarly, lost their second wish to Shu, preventing them from resurrecting Freeza?

We'd get a boring movie about Cold going back and re-constructing his son's empire. Jaco then comes to Earth to warn Bulma and someone takes care of Cold, over. He doesn't have the huge potential Freeza had to be any kind of threat.

[Blackstripe]

What if Sorbet and Tagoma instead revived King Cold first, and similarly, lost their second wish to Shu, preventing them from resurrecting Freeza?

We'd get a boring movie about Cold going back and re-constructing his son's empire. Jaco then comes to Earth to warn Bulma and someone takes care of Cold, over. He doesn't have the huge potential Freeza had to be any kind of threat.

Allow me to argue that this isn't necessarily the case.

We don't really know what Cold can do at all. He could've been stronger than Freeza for all we know, if he had additional transformations. All we know is that his second form-looking state was somewhat inferior to Freeza.

He's the King, after all, and he felt safe in reviving Freeza and strengthening him, despite clearly having no real love for him (look how quickly he tried to recruit Trunks after he kills him). If he wasn't able to control Freeza (who I doubt would submit to someone weaker than him, and indeed, tells Sorbet not to revive Cold in RoF) then I doubt he would've patched him up and made him stronger.

[Doctor.]

We don't really know what Cold can do at all. He could've been stronger than Freeza for all we know, if he had additional transformations. All we know is that his second form-looking state was somewhat inferior to Freeza.

People always use this argument and I keep saying the same thing, it was never hinted, at any point in the story, at Cold having more forms. He doesn't transform when he sees his son getting killed, he apparently doesn't transform in the future timeline since he was killed by Goku, he says Trunks is the most powerful in the universe right after Freeza died, and no guidebooks ever imply anything of the sort. It's just something fans fabricated, for some reason, to make Cold stronger than he actually is.

Also, he wasn't somewhat inferior than Freeza. He was about as strong as Mecha Freeza's suppressed state, I'd say that makes him substantially weaker than Freeza.

He's the King, after all, and he felt safe in reviving Freeza and strengthening him, despite clearly having no real love for him (look how quickly he tried to recruit Trunks after he kills him). If he wasn't able to control Freeza (who I doubt would submit to someone weaker than him, and indeed, tells Sorbet not to revive Cold in RoF) then I doubt he would've patched him up and made him stronger.

He's king by name, the one who rules the empire is Freeza. Cold was kept alive precisely because Freeza was the leader, just like the Ginyu Force, Zarbon and all the others were alive. He revived Freeza for the same reason Sorbet did, he's their leader and he's their strongest 'soldier'.

But let's say he had other forms. Freeza was about one-hundred and twenty times stronger in his full power compared to his second form. With that level of strength, I doubt full power Cold would reach the levels of Cell Game fighters. Even if you have him train and throw a Golden form on top of that, it'd still fall short of Goku and Vegeta, since Freeza himself was just slightly stronger and he was apparently a prodigy.

[Blackstripe]

We don't really know what Cold can do at all. He could've been stronger than Freeza for all we know, if he had additional transformations. All we know is that his second form-looking state was somewhat inferior to Freeza.

People always use this argument and I keep saying the same thing, it was never hinted, at any point in the story, at Cold having more forms. He doesn't transform when he sees his son getting killed, he apparently doesn't transform in the future timeline since he was killed by Goku, he says Trunks is the most powerful in the universe right after Freeza died, and no guidebooks ever imply anything of the sort. It's just something fans fabricated, for some reason, to make Cold stronger than he actually is.

Also, he wasn't somewhat inferior than Freeza. He was about as strong as Mecha Freeza's suppressed state, I'd say that makes him substantially weaker than Freeza.

He's the King, after all, and he felt safe in reviving Freeza and strengthening him, despite clearly having no real love for him (look how quickly he tried to recruit Trunks after he kills him). If he wasn't able to control Freeza (who I doubt would submit to someone weaker than him, and indeed, tells Sorbet not to revive Cold in RoF) then I doubt he would've patched him up and made him stronger.

He's king by name, the one who rules the empire is Freeza. Cold was kept alive precisely because Freeza was the leader, just like the Ginyu Force, Zarbon and all the others were alive. He revived Freeza for the same reason Sorbet did, he's their leader and he's their strongest 'soldier'.

But let's say he had other forms. Freeza was about one-hundred and twenty times stronger in his full power compared to his second form. With that level of strength, I doubt full power Cold would reach the levels of Cell Game fighters. Even if you have him train and throw a Golden form on top of that, it'd still fall short of Goku and Vegeta, since Freeza himself was just slightly stronger and he was apparently a prodigy.

Except he's well beyond any of those other soldiers you named, and easily had enough power to maintain the PTO by himself if he wanted to. It took a Super Saiyan to kill Freeza. Nobody else could even scratch his 530,000 first form until Namek. You can't honestly compare Cold to Sorbet.

But yeah, I'm not saying he has as much talent as Freeza. I think he was stronger because he was much older, that's about it. He couldn't have become 80% of Beerus like Freeza, I don't think. Still, he clearly was SOME sort of prodigy to have the power he did.

I do agree that Cold would have gone back to reconstruct his Empire and not bothered seeking out revenge. He might've trained in case they came after him, though...which I'm not sure would happen. Did Jaco even know of the Super Saiyan? Why would he go to Earth to tell Bulma that Cold was off rebuilding his Empire light years away from Earth?

[Doctor.]

But Cold isn't stronger than Freeza. Like I said, he said Trunks was the strongest in the universe following Freeza's defeat.

Jaco came to warn Bulma about Freeza, so he probably could have gone to Earth to warn her. Kinda just like "hey there's this guy called Cold who has been raising an empire, watch out for him". If not, then North Kaio most likely would have picked up on his strength level.

[Blackstripe]

But Cold isn't stronger than Freeza. Like I said, he said Trunks was the strongest in the universe following Freeza's defeat.

Jaco came to warn Bulma about Freeza, so he probably could have gone to Earth to warn her. Kinda just like "hey there's this guy called Cold who has been raising an empire, watch out for him". If not, then North Kaio most likely would have picked up on his strength level.

He saw Trunks had quickly dispatched Freeza, and even if he had tried to transform, I don't think it would've mattered.

Here is how I have it, essentially:

King Cold - 45,000,000
(Hypothetical third form) - 75,000,000
(Hypothetical full power True Form) - 145,000,000

SSJ Trunks - 155 - 160,000,000

He's a bit stronger than Mecha Freeza (135 mil imo), but still would understand he was no match for Trunks, even if he let him transform...which he wouldn't. It took Freeza a while to make it to his 4th Form compared to the others. Trunks would've killed him long before he made it, and even then Cold might've considered that it wouldn't be enough.

All completely speculation on my part, I do not deny it, but it fits with the characters.

[fadeddreams5]

In the Japanese version of Kai, do they imply Cold is stronger than Frieza, or is that a Kai dub thing only?

[Doctor.]

In the Japanese version of Kai, do they imply Cold is stronger than Freeza, or is that a Kai dub thing only?

Not sure about Kai, but the manga clearly implies Freeza's the strongest out of the two. Cold is equal to a suppressed Mecha Freeza.

[Blackstripe]

In the Japanese version of Kai, do they imply Cold is stronger than Freeza, or is that a Kai dub thing only?

Beats me.

I honestly just think it makes sense from a character perspective for Cold to be stronger, but in a suppression form. He is a shadow leader, and lets Freeza claim himself the strongest, because he prefers to be out of focus. Perhaps he grew tired of ruling directly after centuries of doing so.

Freeza nevertheless respects him, and Cold shows zero fear of his son, even calling him out when he does reckless things, and instructing him never to raise his hand to Majin Buu or Beerus, which implies some level of authority.

Just my little theory, there.

[dbzfan7]

What if Mr. Satan was as powerful as he claimed he was (Not that he isn't because he's the champ and all, but some people think he is a fraud).

[Blackstripe]

What if Mr. Satan was as powerful as he claimed he was (Not that he isn't because he's the champ and all, but some people think he is a fraud).

Cell Saga Mr. Satan stated that SSJ2 Gohan was pretty good, but still needed more training, so Cell Saga Mr. Satan > SSJ2 Gohan at the very least. He would have defeated Perfect Cell easily, and even Super Perfect Cell if he returned.

Buu Saga Mr. Satan seemed much less confident in his superiority, however.

[DBZAOTA482]

What if Mr. Satan was as powerful as he claimed he was (Not that he isn't because he's the champ and all, but some people think he is a fraud).

Mr. Satan would make Beerus his bitch (what goes around comes around).

What if Lunch and Tien got together?
What if Chi-Chi... died for good? Would it tear the family apart?

[Lord Beerus]

What if Lunch and Tenshinhan got together?
What if Chi-Chi... died for good? Would it tear the family apart?

- Tien continues to train and come home to Launch and they make sweet, long bipolar love everyday
- Goku marries Yamcha, as he is a great chef, to prevent him Gohan and Goten from starving to death

[Lunatic Fringe]

What if Lunch and Tenshinhan got together?
What if Chi-Chi... died for good? Would it tear the family apart?

- Tenshinhan continues to train and come home to Launch and they make sweet, long bipolar love everyday
- Goku marries Yamcha, as he is a great chef, to prevent him Gohan and Goten from starving to death

I was under the impression that Goku knew how to cook, considering that we see him living off the land in the first few pages of the first chapter of the manga.

[DBZAOTA482]

- Goku marries Yamcha, as he is a great chef, to prevent him Gohan and Goten from starving to death

I can't....