The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

[Lord Beerus]

- Goku marries Yamcha, as he is a great chef, to prevent him Gohan and Goten from starving to death

I can't....

Someone has to cook the meals for the Son family....

[DBZAOTA482]

- Goku marries Yamcha, as he is a great chef, to prevent him Gohan and Goten from starving to death

I can't....

Someone has to cook the meals for the Son family....

That's cold... you're basically saying Chi-Chi is nothing more to them (or just Goku) but a chef.

[Lord Beerus]

That's cold... you're basically saying Chi-Chi is nothing more to them (or just Goku) but a chef.

Well, Toriyama did say that Goku sees his family as more of comrades and friends than actual family.

[Dbzfan94]

That's cold... you're basically saying Chi-Chi is nothing more to them (or just Goku) but a chef.

Well, Toriyama did say that Goku sees his family as more of comrades and friends than actual family.

I don't buy that, honestly. There's plenty of scenes that shows Goku really cares for and loves his family more than just as friends/comrades.

[Lord Beerus]

That's cold... you're basically saying Chi-Chi is nothing more to them (or just Goku) but a chef.

Well, Toriyama did say that Goku sees his family as more of comrades and friends than actual family.

I don't buy that, honestly. There's plenty of scenes that shows Goku really cares for and loves his family more than just as friends/comrades.

Not to Toriyama though it seems:

Q. Since Saiyans are supposed to have no affection for family or friends, does this actually make Vegeta, who holds his family and wife dear, an even stranger (kinder) Saiyan than Goku?

Toriyama: Vegeta, whose pride had been deeply wounded, sought help from Bulma, and little by little, his ruthless personality changed. Nowadays, you certainly might be able to say that. On the other hand, Goku might not have a sense of family members like Gohan and Chi-Chi except as one of his companions.

But you have every right to disagree.

[h0kuten]

Especially when Goku says Gohan's child doesn't have a righteous heart and that's it's his fault the fusion didn't work

aha

[predazunn]

Not to Toriyama though it seems:

Q. Since Saiyans are supposed to have no affection for family or friends, does this actually make Vegeta, who holds his family and wife dear, an even stranger (kinder) Saiyan than Goku?

Toriyama: Vegeta, whose pride had been deeply wounded, sought help from Bulma, and little by little, his ruthless personality changed. Nowadays, you certainly might be able to say that. On the other hand, Goku might not have a sense of family members like Gohan and Chi-Chi except as one of his companions.

But you have every right to disagree.

Agree with Toriyama here; Goku loves his comrades and he loves his family but he loves them without seeking their companionship if that makes sense. It's hard on Chi Chi but if I recall rightly she's the one who roped him in to their marriage, he was like 'whatever' about it, she should have been a bit wiser about that. If this were a drama there'd be a lot more issues with their marriage.

What if Raditz left Earth and Goku alone and just took off with Gohan into space? (Would have been a darker story methinks haha)

[DBZAOTA482]

Not to Toriyama though it seems:

Q. Since Saiyans are supposed to have no affection for family or friends, does this actually make Vegeta, who holds his family and wife dear, an even stranger (kinder) Saiyan than Goku?

Toriyama: Vegeta, whose pride had been deeply wounded, sought help from Bulma, and little by little, his ruthless personality changed. Nowadays, you certainly might be able to say that. On the other hand, Goku might not have a sense of family members like Gohan and Chi-Chi except as one of his companions.

But you have every right to disagree.

Agree with Toriyama here; Goku loves his comrades and he loves his family but he loves them without seeking their companionship if that makes sense. It's hard on Chi Chi but if I recall rightly she's the one who roped him in to their marriage, he was like 'whatever' about it, she should have been a bit wiser about that. If this were a drama there'd be a lot more issues with their marriage.

What if Raditz left Earth and Goku alone and just took off with Gohan into space? (Would have been a darker story methinks haha)

Toriyama says a lot of things but I don't take most of what he says post-series to heart. It's obvious he says something and wrote something different. You recall wrong methnks.

Oh and the Androids kill everyone.

[h0kuten]

As far as we know, Majin Boo doesn't have the potential to equalize Golden Frieza.

[predazunn]

Toriyama says a lot of things but I don't take most of what he says post-series to heart. It's obvious he says something and wrote something different. You recall wrong methnks.

Oh and the Androids kill everyone.

Agree with you about Toriyama, I don't agree with everything he says or everything he writes (See any kid buu v super buu debate; ssj3 goku v ultimate gohan, krillin v tien ) BUT I think the manga is pretty consistent with the whole Goku not giving more bleeps about his family than his comrades.

He sacrificed his sons to save someone else (Satan??)
He REFUSED to go home post-Namek
He REFUSED to be wished back post Cell
He decided to go train with Uub at the end
You could also say chucking in Gohan against Perfect Cell was also an example but Goku didn't think it was a risk, he was SURE Gohan would beat him, so I'll chalk that one down to him being an idiot.

I'd say there's a lot of evidence in the manga that backs up my claim that he doesn't give two bleeps more about his family then he has does almost everyone else. Goku is a communist when it comes to love. I'm not saying he's heartless, he DOES love them but there's no special affection like for example Krillin with 18 and Marron.

[DBZAOTA482]

He sacrificed his sons to save someone else (Satan??)
He REFUSED to go home post-Namek
He REFUSED to be wished back post Cell
He decided to go train with Uub at the end
You could also say chucking in Gohan against Perfect Cell was also an example but Goku didn't think it was a risk, he was SURE Gohan would beat him, so I'll chalk that one down to him being an idiot.

I'd say there's a lot of evidence in the manga that backs up my claim that he doesn't give two bleeps more about his family then he has does almost everyone else. Goku is a communist when it comes to love. I'm not saying he's heartless, he DOES love them but there's no special affection like for example Krillin with 18 and Marron.

-He didn't sacrifice them. He wanted to get everyone possible, and he couldn't just leave Mr. Satan and Dende there.
-Point granted
-He believed the Earth would be a better place without him
-Also, point granted... but he did want promise to visit
-He was not wrong for making Gohan fight Cell. Sure, him feeding Cell a senzu was reckless but he wanted to have full confidence in Gohan's abilites. He was only wrong in not telling Gohan of his plan

[predazunn]

-He didn't sacrifice them. He wanted to get everyone possible, and he couldn't just leave Mr. Satan and Dende there.
-Point granted
-He believed the Earth would be a better place without him
-Also, point granted... but he did want promise to visit
-He was not wrong for making Gohan fight Cell. Sure, him feeding Cell a senzu was reckless but he wanted to have full confidence in Gohan's abilites. He was only wrong in not telling Gohan of his plan

You're right, just after I posted that I checked out the scan where he teleported Satan, dende etc. You're right about the rest too. I still think it was wrong to put Gohan in there without backing him up but it was Goku being Goku so again I'll chalk it down to him being an idiot (:e abiding by the principle of a fair fight when the earth was on the line; at least he changed his mind about that in the Buu saga, using everyone else's power for the Genki dama is totally cheating haha and I still think he's a mediocre father and a horrible husband.

Anyway we'll agree to disagree.

[DBZAOTA482]

-He didn't sacrifice them. He wanted to get everyone possible, and he couldn't just leave Mr. Satan and Dende there.
-Point granted
-He believed the Earth would be a better place without him
-Also, point granted... but he did want promise to visit
-He was not wrong for making Gohan fight Cell. Sure, him feeding Cell a senzu was reckless but he wanted to have full confidence in Gohan's abilites. He was only wrong in not telling Gohan of his plan

You're right, just after I posted that I checked out the scan where he teleported Satan, dende etc. You're right about the rest too. I still think it was wrong to put Gohan in there without backing him up but it was Goku being Goku so again I'll chalk it down to him being an idiot (:e abiding by the principle of a fair fight when the earth was on the line; at least he changed his mind about that in the Buu saga, using everyone else's power for the Genki dama is totally cheating haha and I still think he's a mediocre father and a horrible husband.

Anyway we'll agree to disagree.

I guess, but I don't like Lord Beerus' candid response. He basically just Chi-Chi is easily replaceable to not just Goku but Gohan and Goten as well.

It's a cruel reminder...

[miguelnuva1]

Toriyama says a lot of things but I don't take most of what he says post-series to heart. It's obvious he says something and wrote something different. You recall wrong methnks.

Oh and the Androids kill everyone.

Agree with you about Toriyama, I don't agree with everything he says or everything he writes (See any kid buu v super buu debate; ssj3 goku v ultimate gohan, krillin v Tenshinhan ) BUT I think the manga is pretty consistent with the whole Goku not giving more bleeps about his family than his comrades.

He sacrificed his sons to save someone else (Satan??)
He REFUSED to go home post-Namek
He REFUSED to be wished back post Cell
He decided to go train with Uub at the end
You could also say chucking in Gohan against Perfect Cell was also an example but Goku didn't think it was a risk, he was SURE Gohan would beat him, so I'll chalk that one down to him being an idiot.

I'd say there's a lot of evidence in the manga that backs up my claim that he doesn't give two bleeps more about his family then he has does almost everyone else. Goku is a communist when it comes to love. I'm not saying he's heartless, he DOES love them but there's no special affection like for example Krillin with 18 and Marron.

1. Shows how much of a hero he is. I think Gohan would have done the same in that situation.
2. Gohan didn't need Goku at that point.
3. He thought he was protecting the world, another sacrifice that only the hero of a story can make.
4. Gohan and Goten were grown.
5. Gohan was the only one he could beat Cell. His pride as a saiyan with giving cell the senzu was the only thing he did wrong.

[Hellspawn28]

So what if Goku beats Beerus? How much would changed if SSjG Goku won?

[miguelnuva1]

So what if Goku beats Beerus? How much would changed if SSjG Goku won?

Frieza wins in FnF. If Goku beat Beerus he wouldn't look as hard for Ssjgss.

[Khin]

What if Freeza trains for a whole year instead of 4 months?

[GTX]

What if Freeza trains for a whole year instead of 4 months?

Even if freeza trains for eternity he will always lose to goku and co because plot rules, Goku always win and all MC in general.

[soduh2]

What if Freeza trains for a whole year instead of 4 months?

Even if freeza trains for eternity he will always lose to goku and co because plot rules, Goku always win and all MC in general.

Freeza still loses eventually, but Earth is destroyed.

[Absolute Ice]

What if Bardock and King Vegeta already knew about Metamorian fusion and performanced it moments before Vegeta's destruction?