DB Characters Can Bust *insert celestial object here*!

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Re: DB Characters Can Bust *insert celestial object here*!

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:13 pm

h0kuten wrote:
Please show the statement where it states Beerus will destroy the Universe 1 planet at a time.

You do realize that works both ways, right? Where does it say he'll destroy it all at once?
Please show the statement.
There isn't one, for either viewpoint. It's vague. That's the whole point.
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Post by rereboy » Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:15 pm

h0kuten wrote: Blowing up the entire universe including the void, counts as destroying the universe.

Destroying just the planets, suns and moons doesn't. Because 99% of the mass of the universe isn't in those three things.

It defeats the purpose of the statement.

The only logical conclusion -backed by Occams Razor, is that Beerus could destroy all 'mass' in the known Universe.
That's like saying that planet Vegeta wasn't destroyed because it's atmosphere, which is made of gases and is not solid, just vented into space when the rest of it was reduced to bits and was not, actually destroyed.

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Post by h0kuten » Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:18 pm

rereboy wrote:
h0kuten wrote: Blowing up the entire universe including the void, counts as destroying the universe.

Destroying just the planets, suns and moons doesn't. Because 99% of the mass of the universe isn't in those three things.

It defeats the purpose of the statement.

The only logical conclusion -backed by Occams Razor, is that Beerus could destroy all 'mass' in the known Universe.
That's like saying that planet Vegeta wasn't destroyed because it's atmosphere, which is gas, just vented into space when the rest of it was reduced to bits and was not, actually destroyed.
He said the Universe would disappear. This means reality. A lack of reality means all of existence. All of existence means everything, including the void.

Jesus christ people.

Using stupid metaphors doesn't prove your point.

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Post by rereboy » Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:22 pm

h0kuten wrote: He said the Universe would disappear. This means reality. A lack of reality means all of existence. All of existence means everything, including the void.

Jesus christ people.

Using stupid metaphors doesn't prove your point.
And planet Vegeta means its oceans, rocks, atmosphere, and so on. By your reasoning, Freeza didn't destroy it because there are still pieces of rock, atmosphere, and portions of its oceans in space. Freeza would have to erase all of it from existence, right down to all of its atoms, otherwise its not destroyed.
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Post by h0kuten » Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:22 pm

rereboy wrote:
h0kuten wrote: He said the Universe would disappear. This means reality. A lack of reality means all of existence. All of existence means everything, including the void.

Jesus christ people.

Using stupid metaphors doesn't prove your point.
And planet Vegeta means its oceans, rocks, atmosphere, and so on. By your reasoning, Freeza didn't destroy it because there are still pieces of rock, atmosphere, and portions of its oceans in space. Freeza would have to erase all of it from existence, otherwise its not destroyed.
Frieza did destroy all of it.

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Post by rereboy » Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:24 pm

h0kuten wrote: Freeza did destroy all of it.
Really? Did he destroy planet Namek, then? There's pieces of rock floating alongside Freeza in space. Apparently he didn't, then.

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Post by h0kuten » Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:24 pm

rereboy wrote:
h0kuten wrote: Freeza did destroy all of it.
Really? Did he destroy planet Namek, then? There's pieces of rock floating alongside Freeza in space. Apparently he didn't, then.
Yes he did destroy planet Namek as well.

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Post by rereboy » Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:28 pm

h0kuten wrote:
rereboy wrote:
h0kuten wrote: Freeza did destroy all of it.
Really? Did he destroy planet Namek, then? There's pieces of rock floating alongside Freeza in space. Apparently he didn't, then.
Yes he did destroy planet Namek as well.
No, he didn't. There are still pieces of Namek floating around. Namek is all of its rocks, water, gases and so on. If they aren't all completely obliterated, right down to their atoms, it can't be destroyed. At least, that's your reasoning for the universe.

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Post by h0kuten » Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:29 pm

No, he didn't. There are still pieces of Namek floating around. Namek is all of its rocks, water, gases and so on. If they aren't all completely obliterated, right down to their atoms, it can't be destroyed. At least, that's your reasoning for the universe.
Yes he quite clearly did.

However, it didn't disappear.

=D

Destroying and making everything disappear are completely different.

Try again.

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Post by rereboy » Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:31 pm

h0kuten wrote: Yes he quite clearly did.

However, it didn't disappear.

=D

Destroying and making everything disappear are completely different.

Try again.
I see, so Beerus wouldn't have to make everything in the universe disappear to destroy the universe. They are completely different, after all.

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Post by h0kuten » Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:35 pm

rereboy wrote:
h0kuten wrote: Yes he quite clearly did.

However, it didn't disappear.

=D

Destroying and making everything disappear are completely different.

Try again.
I see, so Beerus wouldn't have to make everything in the universe disappear to destroy the universe. They are completely different, after all.
He would make everything disappear.

Conclusively my argument still holds.

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Post by TripleRach » Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:37 pm

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