Kid Goku GT vs. SSGSS Goku?

[Kuririn Fan]

Kid Goku GT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone else combined

[singsing]

Kid Goku GT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone else combined

Pretty sure Satan still stomps.

[Absolute Ice]

It's a solid theory based on what is previously seen in another fused character, and the fact that Goku himself can go SSJ3, but it's still just that: a theory. Nothing says Vegito can go beyond what we saw in the manga. It's very, very likely he can, but nothing is specifically stated on the matter, as far as I know. Naturally, that means any resources that refer to his power are going by what is directly shown in the story.

Going by this logic, Nappa and Raditz can only transform into their Oozaru forms by speculation?

[Hitiro]

It's a solid theory based on what is previously seen in another fused character, and the fact that Goku himself can go SSJ3, but it's still just that: a theory. Nothing says Vegito can go beyond what we saw in the manga. It's very, very likely he can, but nothing is specifically stated on the matter, as far as I know. Naturally, that means any resources that refer to his power are going by what is directly shown in the story.

Going by this logic, Nappa and Raditz can only transform into their Oozaru forms by speculation?

It's more like there is nothing to say that within the timeframe that they had they could reach the transformation with the fusion. It may take them a reasonable length of time to reach SSJ3. The dialogue is on about what Vegetto is currently capable of doing. If we use your logic for example then I guess the 4,000 for Nappa in the Daizenshuu 7 was including all possible versions of himself? That would mean that Nappa clearly has a base battle power of 10 and he can only reach 4,000 with SSJ3.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Old Man Krillin > Kid Goku GT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone else combined

Fixed.

[Absolute Ice]

It's more like there is nothing to say that within the timeframe that they had they could reach the transformation with the fusion. It may take them a reasonable length of time to reach SSJ3. The dialogue is on about what Vegetto is currently capable of doing. If we use your logic for example then I guess the 4,000 for Nappa in the Daizenshuu 7 was including all possible versions of himself? That would mean that Nappa clearly has a base battle power of 10 and he can only reach 4,000 with SSJ3.

Why it would take? We are talking about a fusion between the most powerful warriors, we are not talking about kids. For the same reason Nappa and Raditz can go Oozaru even when there is nothing stating otherwise, Vegito obviously has Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3.

[Hitiro]

It's more like there is nothing to say that within the timeframe that they had they could reach the transformation with the fusion. It may take them a reasonable length of time to reach SSJ3. The dialogue is on about what Vegetto is currently capable of doing. If we use your logic for example then I guess the 4,000 for Nappa in the Daizenshuu 7 was including all possible versions of himself? That would mean that Nappa clearly has a base battle power of 10 and he can only reach 4,000 with SSJ3.

Why it would take? We are talking about a fusion between the most powerful warriors, we are not talking about kids. For the same reason Nappa and Raditz can go Oozaru even when there is nothing stating they otherwise, Vegito obviously has Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3.

Nappa and Raditz have tails. It is natural that they can go Oozaru without anything prior. You simply don't know if Vegetto can go SSJ3 without training first. Or at least having a couple of days for him to figure it out. You're assuming he just can naturally gain the transformations without any prior knowledge or experience with that body. In the cases for Nappa and Raditz they are forced to transform into that when they see the moon because of their tails. With Vegetto there is no proof that he can obtain those forms as soon as he is formed. Also, the line in question is in the section about things Goku has achieved over the course of the franchise. He never achieved SSJ3 as Vegetto. So why would they include it in a section specifically about the things he's achieved? Furthermore, if they really meant for the power statement to include hypothetical forms that Vegetto may or may not be able to achieve they would have made it clear when they talked about him. Something along the lines of "It may be possible for him to transform further!"

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It's stupid, but you have to accept it because it's true. If Vegeta reached 10% of Beerus' power, or close to that, then he's superior to SS Vegetto, or around the same level of strength. If you say it yourself that Beerus only needs 1% of power to deal with Vegetto and Vegeta gives 10% Beerus a good run for his money, then you shouldn't even be debating this.

Well, we don't have to accept it, since it's not in the original movie, which was written by Toriyama.

[Hugo Boss]

It's stupid, but you have to accept it because it's true. If Vegeta reached 10% of Beerus' power, or close to that, then he's superior to SS Vegetto, or around the same level of strength. If you say it yourself that Beerus only needs 1% of power to deal with Vegetto and Vegeta gives 10% Beerus a good run for his money, then you shouldn't even be debating this.

I don't have any problem with Vegeta surpassing Goku and even Vegetto that time, but why we have to accept he is stronger than Vegetto or around the same level of power? Super Vegetto could still be at 12% of Beerus and thus stronger than pissed Vegeta.

[Doctor.]

I don't have any problem with Vegeta surpassing Goku and even Vegetto that time, but why we have to accept he is stronger than Vegetto or around the same level of power? Super Vegetto could still be at 12% of Beerus and thus stronger than pissed Vegeta.

If you think Vegetto can't go Super Saiyan 3 then yes, you can put him above Vegeta but below Beerus. I think that's extremely unlikely, however, so I always consider SS3 Vegetto weaker than SSG Goku, and in order for that to be possible, then Super Vegetto has to be 7% at the max.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Was Vegeta equal to 10% of Beers, or did Beers require 10% of his power to easily beat Vegeta? If it's the latter, then Vegeta could still be below 7% of Beers.

[LightBing]

Was Vegeta equal to 10% of Beers, or did Beers require 10% of his power to easily beat Vegeta? If it's the latter, then Vegeta could still be below 7% of Beers.

It should be closer to the latter, he did tank a galick gun. I have him at 7,5%.

[Hugo Boss]

I don't have any problem with Vegeta surpassing Goku and even Vegetto that time, but why we have to accept he is stronger than Vegetto or around the same level of power? Super Vegetto could still be at 12% of Beerus and thus stronger than pissed Vegeta.

If you think Vegetto can't go Super Saiyan 3 then yes, you can put him above Vegeta but below Beerus. I think that's extremely unlikely, however, so I always consider SS3 Vegetto weaker than SSG Goku, and in order for that to be possible, then Super Vegetto has to be 7% at the max.

I have pissed Vegeta at about 5% of Beerus' full strength, so if Vegetto is at 6% or 7% in your terms, Vegetto could still be ahead of pissed Vegeta.

[Sandubadear]

When you guys say Vegetto x Vegeta, are you referring to Buu saga Vegetto or a what-if BoG saga Vegetto?

[Doctor.]

I don't have any problem with Vegeta surpassing Goku and even Vegetto that time, but why we have to accept he is stronger than Vegetto or around the same level of power? Super Vegetto could still be at 12% of Beerus and thus stronger than pissed Vegeta.

If you think Vegetto can't go Super Saiyan 3 then yes, you can put him above Vegeta but below Beerus. I think that's extremely unlikely, however, so I always consider SS3 Vegetto weaker than SSG Goku, and in order for that to be possible, then Super Vegetto has to be 7% at the max.

I have pissed Vegeta at about 5% of Beerus' full strength, so if Vegetto is at 6% or 7% in your terms, Vegetto could still be ahead of pissed Vegeta.

Sure, I said around the same level of strength.

[Hugo Boss]

When you guys say Vegetto x Vegeta, are you referring to Buu saga Vegetto or a what-if BoG saga Vegetto?

I'm usually referring to Boo Arc Vegetto, but I guess it could work in both ways. BoG Arc Vegetto is likely not quite as strong as Super Saiyan God, though.

[h0kuten]

In my opinion it could be one of two things:

Goku SSJG 80% ~ 48
Beerus 100% ~ 40 (Goku's Expectations)
Vegetto Ssj3 ~ 32
Beerus 10% ~ 10
Vegetto Ssj2 ~ 8
Raging Vegeta ~ 7.5
Vegetto Ssj ~ 4

or

Beerus 10% ~ 10
Vegetto Ssj3 ~ 8
Raging Vegeta Ssj2 ~ 7.5
Vegetto Ssj2 ~ 2
Vegetto Ssj ~ 1

Regardless Vegeta ends up as superior to Super Saiyan Vegetto.

[Kuririn Fan]

Old Man Krillin > Kid Goku GT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone else combined

Fixed.

Yes! Proof that Kuririn is the strongest in the universe!

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

In my opinion it could be one of two things:

Goku SSJG 80% ~ 48
Beerus 100% ~ 40 (Goku's Expectations)
Vegetto Ssj3 ~ 32
Beerus 10% ~ 10
Vegetto Ssj2 ~ 8
Raging Vegeta ~ 7.5
Vegetto Ssj ~ 4

or

Beerus 10% ~ 10
Vegetto Ssj3 ~ 8
Raging Vegeta Ssj2 ~ 7.5
Vegetto Ssj2 ~ 2
Vegetto Ssj ~ 1

Regardless Vegeta ends up as superior to Super Saiyan Vegetto.

I say it's

Beerus full power-100

Whis-150

SSJ GOD Goku-60

Raging vegeta-9

Beerus 10%-10

SSj3 Goku-4.4 (I Don't know why peple assume Beerus was using 1% vs Goku...based on what? Hype?!)

ssj2 vegeta-4.5 (I honestly think in super ssj2 vegeta>ssj3 Goku based on how he did vs kid buu+how much better he did vs Beerus then Goku)

ssj3 Vegito-9

[Darkprince410]

ssj2 vegeta-4.5 (I honestly think in super ssj2 vegeta>ssj3 Goku based on how he did vs kid buu+how much better he did vs Beerus then Goku)

Based on what he did against Pure Buu? Vegeta managed to fire one blast that blew Buu's lower body away, and then pelted him with ki blasts for a few seconds before he became Buu's punching bag. From the moment that Buu landed his first blow on Vegeta, the "battle" went completely one sided, with Vegeta not being able to land a single blow or defend himself at all from Buu's attacks.

It was only after Vegeta's rage boost that Beerus considered Vegeta's fight against him more fun than what he experienced on Kaiou's planet with Goku, suggesting that, prior to that, Vegeta wasn't at a point where he could have come close to Goku.