The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

[Lord Beerus]

What if Bardock and King Vegeta already knew about Metamorian fusion and performanced it moments before Vegeta's destruction?

Their ego gets distracted by how powerful they become together and get killed by Freeza's Death Ball because they don't leave Planet Vegeta in time.

[irreality]

Agree with you about Toriyama, I don't agree with everything he says or everything he writes (See any kid buu v super buu debate; ssj3 goku v ultimate gohan, krillin v Tenshinhan ) BUT I think the manga is pretty consistent with the whole Goku not giving more bleeps about his family than his comrades.

He sacrificed his sons to save someone else (Satan??)
He REFUSED to go home post-Namek
He REFUSED to be wished back post Cell
He decided to go train with Uub at the end
You could also say chucking in Gohan against Perfect Cell was also an example but Goku didn't think it was a risk, he was SURE Gohan would beat him, so I'll chalk that one down to him being an idiot.

I'd say there's a lot of evidence in the manga that backs up my claim that he doesn't give two bleeps more about his family then he has does almost everyone else. Goku is a communist when it comes to love. I'm not saying he's heartless, he DOES love them but there's no special affection like for example Krillin with 18 and Marron.

I do agree that to a certain extent I analyze media with the "author is dead" point of view: works should stand on their own. But, as you said, "Goku is a communist when it comes to love." is really true in the manga. As you said, it isn't that he doesn't care about his family, he just cares about his comrades a lot or just as much. He forms friendships easily and those are not easily broken. His emotional moments mostly involve Krillin. Or the way he so quickly bonded with Upa and was willing to do anything for him. They are as much his family as his blood relatives.

That said, I don't really hold the same interpretation of all the events on your list as you do. I think your phrasing paints Goku as more heartless than he really is. I think he sees himself as is more of an independent agent more than actively ignoring his family in the way the emphasis on "refused" and "sacrified" seems to imply.

[DBZAOTA482]

What if a female Saiyan had a period?

[Blackstripe]

What if a female Saiyan had a period?

You're saying this is something that has never happened?

I get what you're trying to get at, but I imagine a period for a Saiyan is a far less big deal than with a human. Given what we know about the species, anything that might potentially interfere with combat is minimized. Being crampy, short-tempered and off your game is not conducive with fighting, so I suspect a Saiyan female's period is quite subdued.

[miguelnuva1]

What if Freeza trains for a whole year instead of 4 months?

Goku and Vegeta are forced to work together to win.

[GTX]

What if Freeza trains for a whole year instead of 4 months?

Even if freeza trains for eternity he will always lose to goku and co because plot rules, Goku always win and all MC in general.

Freeza still loses eventually, but Earth is destroyed.

but Earth is destroyed

If freeza want earth to be destroyed he can do it from the get go, He don't have to face kakarot to do so.

[Absolute Ice]

What if Vegeta achieved Super Saiyan 3 since the beginning of Buu saga?

[fadeddreams5]

What if Vegeta achieved Super Saiyan 3 since the beginning of Buu saga?

We'd have SSJ3 Majin Vegeta vs SSJ3 Goku. Goku would be forced to go back to the Other World before teaching the kids fusion. Vegeta would probably handle Fat Buu pretty easily.

And... the end?

[GTX]

What if Vegeta achieved Super Saiyan 3 since the beginning of Buu saga?

It won't change anything goku will surpass it in no time like everytime. Vegeta will job and goku will handle the rest and fix vegeta's mess, though.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

What if Vegeta achieved Super Saiyan 3 since the beginning of Buu saga?

This could also change a few things in the Buu Saga, such as never allowing Babidi to cast a spell on him, and thus he will still be a bit weaker than Goku. Vegeta already had SSJ2 (for who knows how many years) and was about twice as weak as Goku before Babidi stepped in turning him evil. SSJ3 Goku and SSJ3 Vegeta fight for a couple minutes, and a gap becomes apparent pretty quickly.

[miguelnuva1]

What if Vegeta achieved Super Saiyan 3 since the beginning of Buu saga?

Unless Goku shows he has SSJ3 Vegeta would not need the Majin boost. If we get to Majin Vegeta vs Goku then Goku is forced to go back to otherworld and Majin Vegeta destroys Fat Buu.

[Noah]

What if Gohan reached SSJ4 by the same way Vegeta had, could the trio defeat Omega Shenron without fusion?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Most likely. A Super Saiyan 4 Gohan would definitely be way more powerful than SS4 Goku or SS4 Vegeta.

[Absolute Ice]

Most likely. A Super Saiyan 4 Gohan would definitely be way more powerful than SS4 Goku or SS4 Vegeta.

What!?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Most likely. A Super Saiyan 4 Gohan would definitely be way more powerful than SS4 Goku or SS4 Vegeta.

What!?

What's wrong with that?

[Absolute Ice]

There is no way Gohan would be stronger than both at that point in the story. He passed many years without even training, therefore he is way weaker compared to the end of Buu saga. Super Saiyan 4 would not be enough for him to be able to surpass Goku and Vegeta.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

There is no way Gohan would be stronger than both at that point in the story. He passed many years without even training, therefore he is way weaker compared to the end of Buu saga. Super Saiyan 4 would not be enough for him to be able to surpass Goku and Vegeta.

Super Saiyan 4 isn't based off a Saiyan's base power, it's based on the user's dormant power. Gohan logically has more dormant power than Goku and Vegeta by virtue of being a half-Saiyan.

Also, Gohan did train in between Z and GT.

[Blackstripe]

If Videl was placed through training that was equal to that which Gokuu and Kuririn went through under Roshi, then made to climb Karin tower/chase Karin around for a while, and THEN travel around the world on foot like Gokuu did before the 22nd Budokai, what is the strongest opponent that she could defeat?

[Khin]

What if Trunks and Gohan went to the Time chamber first,and then the next to enter is Goku and Vegeta?

[Lunatic Fringe]

What if Trunks and Gohan went to the Time chamber first,and then the next to enter is Goku and Vegeta?

Gohan and Trunks would only reach the USSJ stage. I'm sure it was Goku who discovered how to be a FPSSJ and then taught it to Gohan. Anyways, they'd be more than enough to defeat Cell in his Semi-Perfect state and wouldn't allow him to absorb #18. Goku & Vegeta complete their training and find out that their training was all in vain as Cell is already destroyed. Hercule doesn't become a hero because he didn't "defeat" Cell. Goku goes off to find the new God of the Earth so that they can all revive the people who died due to the assault of the Cyborgs/Cell. Krillin uses the other wish to remove #18's bomb. Seven years later, Babidi arrives to harvest energy for Buu's revival and although Gohan's weaker due to slacking off, Goku and Vegeta would probably be strong enough to obtain SSJ2 but no further. Thus, everything plays out like normal except that Goku doesn't bother trying to confront Buu but instead, trains the kids on how to fuse. Once that happens, everything else plays out except for Goku not being able to go toe to toe with Kid Buu.