DB super canon ?

[Froggy]

i know they said its canon, but i just cant accept this crap is canon.
the animation sucks, the story is boring, censored, childish and epic fights reduced to 'wet willies' .
videl super saiyan ? really ?
she isnt supposed to even be pregnant, shes still in highschool, well maybe a sophomore in college... both can be considered pretty young for having a child !

I'm re-watching dragon ball z (dragon box release) and i can really see the differences and why i fell in love with the series since i watched the first few episodes.
there is no way DB super can be part of a dragon ball universe, not with that content and tone.

[Hisoka]

You may not like it, but others including myself do and its apart of the franchise (like Evolution sadly) no matter how you feel about it . I think its picking up in terms of quality and think it is getting better than BoG. Also canon is mostly personal opinion and they never said anything was canon.

[Gonstead]

Again, like many have said: There is no true defined "canon".

[Herms]

Most "canon" debates do end up boiling down to simply "I like this, therefore it must be canon" vs "I don't like this, therefore it can't be canon". I guess it's nice to see someone being honest about it for a change.

[Sandubadear]

Dragon Ball is the only franchise that you can make your own canon.

[irreality]

videl super saiyan ? really ?
she isnt supposed to even be pregnant, shes still in highschool, well maybe a sophomore in college... both can be considered pretty young for having a child !

Didn't want to get into debates about the rest of things , but FTR, there is no indication Super does not in fact take place at the same time as BoG, making Videl the same age she ever was when she had Pan. Definitely not still in highschool. If you have a problem with Videl's age when having Pan, take that up with DBZ.

Also, Videl was not Super Saiyan: she isn't a Saiyan. It is a visual stylistic choice.

Whether "canon" or not might be up for debate, it is definitely part of the larger "Dragon Ball Universe", along with Garlic Jr. filler, the The man wolf and Bacterian, Lord Slug, and the Parapara Brothers.

[Soppa Saia People]

I'm pretty sure the reason videl looked super saiyan is probably because of the aura.

[Avery]

It's really dumb. The DB Wiki seriously believed this and had SSJ listed as one of Videl's "forms".

[Shinsa]

I guess it comes down to your own personal tastes....

I think Super is shit, taking a legendary anime down to mediocrity. However since it does build on the franchise and takes place some where in the timeline of dbz i do considor it canon.

What i dont considor canon even if Toriyama himself offically stated would be DB minus and episode of bardock...completely ruins gokus origin and bardock. Oh and the fact that vegeta has a brother.

[precita]

Do people really care about canon now that there's like 5 re-tellings of the same story? Manga, original anime, Kai, additions to the manga, and now Super?

[Unkikonki]

Who cares about what is canon? What matters is how much you enjoy the show, whether we are talking about DB, DBZ, GT, Super, AF, Multiverse or whatever!

You are making a terrible mistake on comparing Super with the old fashioned DBZ. It'd been quite clear that they were going to follow new ways since a long time ago.
I even have to say I was really disappointed with we had seen so far, but they had improved and the last episode 11 was the highest point of the series so far, being better than, say, any GT episode.
Just be patient and try not to get too critic or you'll just find disappointment. DBZ was great, best series ever, amazing in a lot of ways. But that was more than 20 years ago. Lot of things changed, so you can only accept it and try to enjoy the new series.

[VegettoEX]

Do people really care about canon now that there's like 5 re-tellings of the same story? Manga, original anime, Kai, additions to the manga, and now Super?

That's precisely why they care. There are so many additions and so many different versions of the same thing, particularly with people coming in and trying to "catch up", they would (understandably so) want to go with the "real" version and not "waste time" with versions that have been overwritten/excluded/ignored.

More so than ever before I understand and empathize with the great canonical debate. I still think it's ultimately a worthless conversation to have, but that's for different reasons and different emotions than what I've outlined above!

[Cetra]

i know they said its canon

Who is this "they" person?

That was never said by anyone who has a say in this.

Or it's a animation error,either way it doesn't matter because GT is canon to Ball and Z

I know you're trying to salvage GT, but it isn't canon to anything by any means. It's a side story, from the original author to the games, it is always treated as such.

You cannot decide that and its wrong.

[visser]

The only thing that by definition has to be canon, is the original run of the manga in jump. That being said, i have heard people saying that there is no one official saying what is canon or not, wouldn't the comments about BOG being an official part of the story, and Toriyama saying it is like a continuation of the manga(he did say that right? correct me if i am wrong please) be that? as much as we should expect? We aren't going to hear them actually use the word canon to describe anything. So for that i see BOG as canon(you are welcome to disagree) and this arc of super is an adaption of it, so yeah i would say super is "less canon than BOG"(especially since i am sure Toriyama has less involvement in specifics in super than in the BOG movie) and i see the changes between the source work(BOG) and the adaption(super) as non canon, but that is just an opinion, completely an opinion. Also like the person above said, who said super is canon? but i understand that this is an absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence deal, and they would just as likely say it is, like the BOG comments, even if only for promotional purposes.

[Lord Beerus]

The canon in Dragon Ball can be whatever you want it to be, as there is none.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

If you don't like Super don't watch it, simple as, because, honestly it doesn't matter in the long run TOEI don't think about canonicity the same way the fans do, they just want to get new products out.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

The canon in Dragon Ball can be whatever you want it to be, as there is none.

I see it as more of there are several canons(continuities)

The manga + whatever Toriyama thinks is part of it's story. (which is hard to tell if it's super,the manga or super's manga a peole see it in different lights.)

1 side-Super's manga is canon as it's a manga and ties in with the manga by Toriyama.

2nd Side- Super the anime is canon as it covers more and is set to replace BOG and ROF and add more. This side makes most sense to me as if there's a canonical universe 6 telling to the manga, it can't be a movie cause they aren't doing a film and the manga skips over a lot.

side 3- the films are canon. film 14,15 I mean.

THEN you get canons that aren't from Toriyama.

The anime canon-Toei made this so they ay what's canon.

The first 3 animes including GT an some if not all of the movies and maybe some of the specials. Some of the films don't fit in with the anime. Cooler's first movie does but fusion Reborn does NOT.

then there's the film canon if you believe Toei puts some of the films as separate form the anime timeline. BOG and ROF certainly are non canon to the timeline with omega and garlic JR. I think the likes of world's strongest isn't anime canon and more of a what if. but only toei can say for sure and like Toriyama they'll never go out and say what's in what canon(continuity) which is good for business as t makes people debate and think of the franchise...free advertising. But some leave because they don't understand the canon and canon is more important to them then it should be. To me anyways.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Do people really care about canon now that there's like 5 re-tellings of the same story? Manga, original anime, Kai, additions to the manga, and now Super?

Curious, aside from the ending what other additions were made to the Manga?

[Kuririn Fan]

Oh boy... canon and power levels, it is wise to not touch them. If Toriyama or TOEI one day say that and that is canon and that isn't, then we'll know, but they honestly don't care and neither should we.

[Kuririn Fan]

Do people really care about canon now that there's like 5 re-tellings of the same story? Manga, original anime, Kai, additions to the manga, and now Super?

Curious, aside from the ending what other additions were made to the Manga?

People tend to talk about that ending like it's something huge, something unbeliveable. "Toriyama rewrote the ending OMG!", when in reality, Goku gives Oob a Kinto Un, and Toriyama's message is replaced with Vegeta's "I'll defeat you one day Kakarotto!", that's it. And let's not forget the more "'detailed" destruction of Kid Boo.