The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[ZombieVito]

Timeline: Dragon Ball Super

Piccolo vs Fat Boo
Team Earth ( Tenshinhan, Kuririn, Yamcha, Chaozu, Yajirobe, Muten Roshi ) vs Team Freeza ( Ginyu, Recoome, Guldo, Burter, Jeice, Dodoria, Zarbon, Cui )
Piccolo vs Dabura

Why do you hate Piccolo so much? Putting him against 2 SSJ2 tier fighters is not fair.
Kuririn alone can one shot them all.

[supercat]

1: Kaioken Goku(vs.Ginyu) vs. Pocus

2: Vegeta(Post Dende Zenkai) and 3rd Form Freeza vs. Base Goku(Post Healing Machine,No Kaioken)

3: Kame-sennin(Revival of 'F') vs. Piccolo(Saiyan Saga) vs. Kaio-sama

4: Piccolo(BOZ) and Goku(BOZ) potara fusion vs. Vegeta(Saiyan Saga)

5: SSJ2 Teen Gohan(Trained for 7 years) vs. SSJ2 Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku

6: Piccolo(Android Saga) vs. Yakon

7: Kuririn(Mirai Trunks Saga) vs. Captain Ginyu

8: Golden Freeza with Kaioken(no stamina issues) vs. Whis

9: Majin Vegeta's kamikaze explotion(vs.Fat Buu) vs. SSJ3 Goku(vs.Kid Buu)

10: Golden Freeza(no stamina issues) and SSGSS Goku vs. 85% Beerus and SSGSS Vegeta

1. Pui Pui either loses after a good fight or snags a victory with moderate levels of difficulty. I have the boastful lackey on par with Ginyu on the low end of the spectrum and around Base Vegeta (against Final Form Frieza) on the higher end.

2. Vegeta trumps Frieza, but suffers another humiliating defeat at the hands of his rival. He had the utmost confidence that he would triumph over the tyrant's final form. Given how petrified he was of Third Form Frieza prior to his Zenkai, it's safe to assume that his boast was beyond a mere ego trip. As for Goku, he practically fought on par with the same Frieza that gave the Saiyan prince a major thrashing.

3. Barring possible inconsistencies, fending off a hundred plus lackeys who are each presumably rocking power levels of around 2,000 - 4,000 is a feat that far exceeds anything Piccolo could even conceive of during his Raditz-busting days. Unless King Kai masters Kaioken, he's basically in the same boat as his Namekian student; Roshi trounces with minimal effort.

4. The Namekian / Saiyan fusion is enough to give Vegeta the beating of his life.

5.Between Gohan's latent power and his preexisting advantage, I'd say it's safe to assume that he'd put the older generation to shame.

6.Piccolo one-shots. Yakon was below Base Goku, who by the events of the Buu arc should be more or less 50% Frieza-tier. I've always envisioned Android arc Piccolo to be somewhere in the same realm of power as SSJ Trunks (against Frieza) if not a notch higher; Yakon has zero chance of winning.

7. Krillin would humiliate Ginyu to a greater degree than Goku did. During their confrontation with Frieza, Vegeta of all people deemed the little Earthling as a valuable asset to the team. I'm doubt the Saiyan prince would consider a power level in the five digits to be a worthy addition against a whopping 530,000.

8. A Kaioken x 2-4 would likely suffice in crowning Frieza as the strongest fighter in the series (GT included). On the contrary, without knowing Whis' true abilities, I'm apt to believe that most, if not all speculations pertaining to his power are formulated prematurely.

9. I honestly doubt any SSJ2 at that point could muster up the power necessitated to take down an SSJ3.

10. It would basically boil down to a slug fest between Goku and Vegeta, while Beerus and Frieza match each other blow for blow. The way I see it, the golden tyrant is comparable to 80-90% of the destroyer.

[singsing]

I mean, that's a pretty damn big NLF there, wouldn't you think?

No, because that's literally what the killing curse does. If you're alive, it makes you dead. It doesn't do damage, it doesn't take you apart piece by piece; it makes you stop living.

Most Dragon Ball characters are not immortal, therefore, they can be killed. Power is irrelevant; Goku is not any more "alive" than Dumbledore was when it hit him.

Goku could dodge the curse, sure, but if it hits him, he's dead, because it's magic, and that's what this magic does. The no-limits fallacy doesn't apply. The spell has limits, it can't "kill" anything that's immortal or not technically "alive." But if you are alive, it makes you dead. Word of God, and the stories themselves make it very clear, and are also very clear on the exceptions. In a random fight, none of those exceptions would apply to Goku.

Granted, they wouldn't get a chance to actually hit him with the spell unless he let them, but that's neither here nor there.

Besides, the "No Limit Fallacy" is just a bullshit term invented by a fan somewhere that spread like wildfire. It's not a legitimate argument, nor is it a legitimate logical fallacy. If someone is asserting that some hax ability is incapable of affecting their characters when said hax ability has never shown to be ineffective before, then the burden of proof is on them. Otherwise, taken to the logical extreme, I could claim that since Ki has never been shown to affect beings outside the Dragon Ball universe, that it cannot affect them, because it's the logical extension of the no limits fallacy to think that what's applicable in one universe is equally applicable in all universes.

I'm not discussing it working on DBZ characters, I'm talking about it working on any character without magic. No limits fallacy would be something like One Punch Man, who's supposed to be able to one punch anything, and saying OPM can easily one shot Galactus. It's a pretty legitimate argument.

[ahill1]

Goku SSJ4(vs Baby) defeat Goku SSJG(DBS) easily IMO. Goku SSJ4 >> Baby >>> Whis >> Beerus >> Goku SSJG

[Angelus]

Let's have some Potara Fun!

Android 17 VS Androids Saga Base Gohan + Yamcha Potara Fusion

Android 19 VS Androids Saga Krillin + Chiaotzu Potara Fusion (No Kienzan/Paralysis)

[Khin]

Hypothetical SSJ Raditz vs. Guldo, Jeice, Recoome, and Burter
Oozaru Nappa vs. Nail(no tail cutting/moon blasting is allowed)
Celypa vs. Saiyan Saga Tenshinhan & Yamcha

-Raditz crushes all of them at once.
-Nail wins after a hard battle.
-Celypa should be around 2,000-2,500.He one shots Yamcha but got disintegrated by Tenshinhan's Kikoho.

New matches:

- Base Goku (Post Heart Virus Cure) x Base Vegeta (Android Arc)
- Base Mirai Trunks (Post RoSaT) x Final Form 60% FP Freeza (Namek Arc)
- FP Super Perfect Cell x FP Super Saiyan 2 Gohan (Cell Games)
- Final Form Cooler x 100% FP Mecha Freeza
- Kaioshin x Piccolo (Boo Arc)
- Piccolo (Post Android Arc 3 years training) x Final Form Freeza
- Post or Pre RoSat Base Gotenks x Super Saiyan Vegeta (Boo Arc)
- Super Saiyan 2 Gohan (Boo Arc) x FP Perfect Cell
- Super Saiyan 2 Goku, Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta x Gray Boo
- Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Halo) x Super Gotenks (Pre RoSaT)
- Super Saiyan GOD Super Saiyan Vegeta x Super Saiyan GOD Goku
- Super Saiyan Goku (Super) x FP Perfect Cell
- Ultimate Gohan x Boo-tenks (Without Piccolo absorbed)

-Vegeta wins after a very long battle.
-Freeza one shots.
-I have them as equals so Cell wins due to superior skills.
-Kaioshin one shots Piccolo.
-Piccolo tears Freeza a new one.
-I dont really think base Gotenks is that strong,Vegeta stomps him easily in both rounds.
-Cell recieved the same beating he had against SSJ2 Kid Gohan in the Cell Games.
-Grey Buu turns both of them into candy.
-Gotenks is stronger but he will likely dick around so Goku wins.
-Vegeta stomps hard.
-Goku wins with mild difficulty.
-Buutenks still stomps Gohan.

Timeline: Dragon Ball Super

Piccolo vs Fat Boo
Team Earth ( Tenshinhan, Kuririn, Yamcha, Chaozu, Yajirobe, Muten Roshi ) vs Team Freeza ( Ginyu, Recoome, Guldo, Burter, Jeice, Dodoria, Zarbon, Cui )
Piccolo vs Dabura

-Buu sneezes in Piccolo's direction and he disintegrates.
-Kuririn asks the others to let him take this and then reverts back to his Android Saga self and casually one shots the Team Freeza.
-Dabra stomps hard.I doubt Piccolo reaches Kaioshin tier at this point let alone Perfect Cell tier like Dabra.

SSJG Goku (Super) runs a GT gauntlet. How far does he go?

Hits a brick wall against Omega Shenron but if we go by feats,he one shots everyone in GT.

Goku SSJ4(vs Baby) defeat Goku SSJG(DBS) easily IMO. Goku SSJ4 >> Baby >>> Whis >> Beerus >> Goku SSJG

Please elaborate.

Let's have some Potara Fun!

Android 17 VS Androids Saga Base Gohan + Yamcha Potara Fusion

Android 19 VS Androids Saga Krillin + Chiaotzu Potara Fusion (No Kienzan/Paralysis)

-Gohan becomes weaker so Android 17 one shots.
-Android 19 tears Chaollin/Chaorin a new one.

[Captain Space]

-Gohan becomes weaker so Android 17 one shots.

I don't think it's possible to get weaker from Potara-type fusion. It was implied even fusing with Mr. Satan might make Goku a tiny bit stronger.

[Khin]

-Gohan becomes weaker so Android 17 one shots.

I don't think it's possible to get weaker from Potara-type fusion. It was implied even fusing with Mr. Satan might make Goku a tiny bit stronger.

I'm not quite sure about that but becomng weaker or not,Android 17 still one shots.

[Blackstripe]

Goku SSJ4(vs Baby) defeat Goku SSJG(DBS) easily IMO. Goku SSJ4 >> Baby >>> Whis >> Beerus >> Goku SSJG

SSG Gokuu would crush the entire cast of GT with one Universe-shuddering punch.

[Khin]

The Avengers(Movie Version) runs the DB gaunlet.How far does they go?

Scenario 1: They go all at once.

Scenario 2: They go one by one.

[RandomGuy96]

The Avengers(Movie Version) runs the DB gaunlet.How far does they go?

Scenario 1: They go all at once.

Scenario 2: They go one by one.

I think they stop at the 22nd Budokai. Apparently the punches and blasts of someone with a PL of 100 is equivalent to a battleship's main gun. If true, that'd mean everyone past that level (maybe 22nd Budokai Krillin level) would be essentially invincible in the MCU. None of them could survive a direct hit from the main gun of a battleship's main gun, or really hurt someone who can. This isn't even getting into speed; how many of them are bullet timers again? None?

Tambourine would rip the whole team to shreds. The only limiter here is the Kikoho, which was roughly 500 tons of TNT equivalent, and was stated to be enough to kill Ten or Goku. That's still tactical-nuke level, though...

[Battousai]

Timeline: Dragon Ball Super

Piccolo vs Fat Boo
Team Earth ( Tenshinhan, Kuririn, Yamcha, Chaozu, Yajirobe, Muten Roshi ) vs Team Freeza ( Ginyu, Recoome, Guldo, Burter, Jeice, Dodoria, Zarbon, Cui )
Piccolo vs Dabura

Why do you hate Piccolo so much? Putting him against 2 SSJ2 tier fighters is not fair.
Kuririn alone can one shot them all.

Piccolo is actually my favorite character. I do believe he's not far from SSJ2 level, since he's always training.

I do think he has a change against Buu, since he lost much of his power when Evil Buu was "released" from him.

Same to Dabura, he's weaker than a SSJ2, and since I believe Piccolo he's not far from that level, it would be an interesting fight.

[dbzfan7]

Timeline: Dragon Ball Super

Piccolo vs Fat Boo
Team Earth ( Tenshinhan, Kuririn, Yamcha, Chaozu, Yajirobe, Muten Roshi ) vs Team Freeza ( Ginyu, Recoome, Guldo, Burter, Jeice, Dodoria, Zarbon, Cui )
Piccolo vs Dabura

Why do you hate Piccolo so much? Putting him against 2 SSJ2 tier fighters is not fair.
Kuririn alone can one shot them all.

Piccolo is actually my favorite character. I do believe he's not far from SSJ2 level, since he's always training.

I do think he has a change against Buu, since he lost much of his power when Evil Buu was "released" from him.

Same to Dabura, he's weaker than a SSJ2, and since I believe Piccolo he's not far from that level, it would be an interesting fight.

He's not even Super Saiyan level. A lazy toei's bitch Gohan who thinks he can go Super Saiyan, was able to one shot a foe Piccolo was having trouble with as a Super Saiyan.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I just thought of one: Ox King vs. Majin Spopovich

IMO Ox King would win easily but I want to see what you guys think.

[Lord Beerus]

I just thought of one: Ox King vs. Majin Spopovich

IMO Ox King would win easily but I want to see what you guys think.

I have Ox King taking this, too. I don't have Majin Spopovich in the double digit spectrum of power levels because even Videl was kicking his ass.

[Sandubadear]

He's not even Super Saiyan level.

Piccolo was fighting on par with Android 17 who's much stronger than pre-RoSaT SSJ Vegeta.

[LightBing]

I just thought of one: Ox King vs. Majin Spopovich

IMO Ox King would win easily but I want to see what you guys think.

I think so too. I have him in the realm of 21st TB Kuririn. No amount of weird zombie durability, is enough to resist that kind of power.

[dbzfan7]

He's not even Super Saiyan level.

Piccolo was fighting on par with Android 17 who's much stronger than pre-RoSaT SSJ Vegeta.

Yeah back then. Now a days every Super Saiyan is stronger than Piccolo. When I say Piccolo ain't Super Saiyan level, I mean he isn't on the level of any of the Super Saiyans. Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and yes Goten and Trunks are all stronger than Piccolo as Super Saiyans. So he's below the current SSJ tier. He was above SSJ's for a while, but now every SSJ is above Piccolo.

[DBZAOTA482]

Chi-Chi vs. Ox-King

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Chi-Chi vs. Ox-King

Assuming this is 23rd TB Chichi, she'd slaughter her father. I think she's even stronger than Old Piccolo Daimao. Or at least stronger than someone like Drum on the lower end of the spectrum.