Why didn't King Yemma send Super Perfect Cell to fight Buu?

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Why didn't King Yemma send Super Perfect Cell to fight Buu?

Post by Rockman X » Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:56 pm

Yemma said "We're sending the best fighters we have here" well SPC is as strong as SSj2 Gohan so he should've been sent to Fight Buu right?

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Re: Why didn't King Yemma send Super Perfect Cell to fight B

Post by dbgtFO » Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:03 pm

Cell could have been reincarnated for all we know.

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Re: Why didn't King Yemma send Super Perfect Cell to fight B

Post by Herms » Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:05 pm

Boring answer: going by the manga version of the afterlife, Cell didn't get to keep his body after he died, and has probably been reincarnated by the time Boo rolls around.

Slightly less boring answer: possibly Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta is still stronger than Cell, even without Babidi's power-up (and it's also possible Vegeta kept Babidi's power-up even after his death).

Also, what are the odds Cell would be obedient enough to go fight Boo?
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Re: Why didn't King Yemma send Super Perfect Cell to fight B

Post by ekrolo2 » Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:16 pm

Herms wrote:Boring answer: going by the manga version of the afterlife, Cell didn't get to keep his body after he died, and has probably been reincarnated by the time Boo rolls around.

Slightly less boring answer: possibly Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta is still stronger than Cell, even without Babidi's power-up (and it's also possible Vegeta kept Babidi's power-up even after his death).

Also, what are the odds Cell would be obedient enough to go fight Boo?
He still wouldn't be much of a threat anyway, by the time Vegeta is sent back we have Vegeta, Goku, Gohan and Gotenks who can basically one shot him by this point. Plus Cell's all about fighting a strong opponent so I think he'd go along with the others just for that.
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Re: Why didn't King Yemma send Super Perfect Cell to fight B

Post by Sandubadear » Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:40 pm

Because Cell is evil and there's no reason for Cell to fight against Buu (maybe they could even team up).
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Re: Why didn't King Yemma send Super Perfect Cell to fight B

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:05 pm

Because Vegeta in his base is stronger then SP cell.
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Re: Why didn't King Yemma send Super Perfect Cell to fight B

Post by Darkprince410 » Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:10 pm

LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:Because Vegeta in his base is stronger then SP cell.
Vegeta's nowhere near that strong. Given that it's established in BoG and Super that Goku wasn't strong enough to beat Freeza in his base form, and Vegeta from the Buu Saga was weaker than Goku from BoG/Super (since Goku's been training since), there's no way that Vegeta would be strong enough to even beat Freeza, let alone Cell.

By Piccolo's statement regarding Ma-jin Vegeta's strength, the difference between Vegeta and Ssj2 Gohan from the Cell Saga wasn't that huge, as he comments that Vegeta "may be" stronger than Gohan was, suggesting some uncertainty. Since the difference between Ssj2 Gohan and Cell (post self-destruction) wasn't that huge either, that'd mean that the gap between Ssj2 Ma-jin Vegeta and Cell wasn't huge by any means.

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Re: Why didn't King Yemma send Super Perfect Cell to fight B

Post by Neon Z » Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:27 pm

Herms wrote:Boring answer: going by the manga version of the afterlife, Cell didn't get to keep his body after he died, and has probably been reincarnated by the time Boo rolls around.
I'm not sure about that. A hell is mentioned in the manga just never seen, which indicates that the reincarnation isn't instant. We never really got any information regarding how long it took for that to happen.

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Re: Why didn't King Yemma send Super Perfect Cell to fight B

Post by Darkprince410 » Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:09 pm

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Herms wrote:Boring answer: going by the manga version of the afterlife, Cell didn't get to keep his body after he died, and has probably been reincarnated by the time Boo rolls around.
I'm not sure about that. A hell is mentioned in the manga just never seen, which indicates that the reincarnation isn't instant. We never really got any information regarding how long it took for that to happen.
Well, that's seven years between when he died and when the Buu Saga rolled around, which could still mean several years in Hell before he's reincarnated.

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Re: Why didn't King Yemma send Super Perfect Cell to fight B

Post by fadeddreams5 » Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:48 am

If Frieza wasn't reincarnated after over a decade, I doubt Cell was.

The most logical answer is that Cell is pure evil and wayyy too egomaniacal and arrogant to obey orders from anyone. It'd be too risky. What's stopping him from blowing up the Earth?

Vegeta, at the very least, proved that he has some good in his heart after he sacrificed himself for the sake of others.
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Re: Why didn't King Yemma send Super Perfect Cell to fight B

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:44 am

Cell won't give a damn. There is no reason for Cell to team up to help beat Buu. It's not his problem and he probably wants Buu to kill Goku.
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Re: Why didn't King Yemma send Super Perfect Cell to fight B

Post by Darkprince410 » Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:58 am

fadeddreams5 wrote:If Freeza wasn't reincarnated after over a decade, I doubt Cell was.
To be fair, Freeza had several more years of evil deeds under his belt to be punished for than Cell did. So, despite Freeza potentially being the more evil of the two, I can see Cell being cleansed and reincarnated sooner just because he had basically just days worth of killing he had done, with only the blood of thousands on his hands. Freeza though almost certainly has millions of deaths to answer for, and that many more enslaved and forced into servitude under him.

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Re: Why didn't King Yemma send Super Perfect Cell to fight B

Post by Khin » Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:11 am

fadeddreams5 wrote:If Freeza wasn't reincarnated after over a decade, I doubt Cell was.
I have a theory that its because that Freeza have done too much shit on his life that Enma-daio want him to suffer forever.

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Re: Why didn't King Yemma send Super Perfect Cell to fight B

Post by Rockman X » Sat Oct 03, 2015 7:53 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:There is no reason for Cell to team up to help beat Buu.
Well there's one reason he'd get to keep his body if he helps in killing buu so i can see SPC helping Vegeta just to keep his body and if SPC goes back to his old habits he'll get killed by the other Z fighters and if he's on Earth he's going to be wrecked by buu anyway so he HAS to help the Z fighters.

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Re: Why didn't King Yemma send Super Perfect Cell to fight B

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:19 am

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LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:Because Vegeta in his base is stronger then SP cell.
Vegeta's nowhere near that strong. Given that it's established in BoG and Super that Goku wasn't strong enough to beat Freeza in his base form, and Vegeta from the Buu Saga was weaker than Goku from BoG/Super (since Goku's been training since), there's no way that Vegeta would be strong enough to even beat Freeza, let alone Cell.

By Piccolo's statement regarding Ma-jin Vegeta's strength, the difference between Vegeta and Ssj2 Gohan from the Cell Saga wasn't that huge, as he comments that Vegeta "may be" stronger than Gohan was, suggesting some uncertainty. Since the difference between Ssj2 Gohan and Cell (post self-destruction) wasn't that huge either, that'd mean that the gap between Ssj2 Ma-jin Vegeta and Cell wasn't huge by any means.
I think you underestimate vegeta. He made someone stronger then mystic gohan have to heal in his base form so he's above ssj3 gotenks. I know that's anime stuff,I go by the anime. Base Vegeta+base goku>gohan+buucolo aka vegito vs buuhan.

Also it's a huge gap,majin Vegeta said "wel...at least you're stronger then your son was against cell!" That line was to establish this fight IS on another scale of power.

Also can someone refresh my memory on why people think everyone gets reincarnated? Buu was a special case from Goku. It doesn't mean cell would be reincarnated. Yeah it seams to be based on Buddhist religion, but that doesn't mean it is.
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Re: Why didn't King Yemma send Super Perfect Cell to fight B

Post by FoolsGil » Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:33 am

For the same reason Master Roshi didn't ambush Buu with a Mafuba : Their hopes and dreams were given to the Saiyans, standard fare by now.

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Re: Why didn't King Yemma send Super Perfect Cell to fight B

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:49 am

FoolsGil wrote:For the same reason Master Roshi didn't ambush Buu with a Mafuba : Their hopes and dreams were given to the Saiyans, standard fare by now.
That would have been a great twist! I can see a panel with Tori-Bot saying "Guess what I remembered"
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Re: Why didn't King Yemma send Super Perfect Cell to fight B

Post by Darkprince410 » Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:21 am

LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:I think you underestimate vegeta. He made someone stronger then mystic gohan have to heal in his base form so he's above ssj3 gotenks. I know that's anime stuff,I go by the anime. Base Vegeta+base goku>gohan+buucolo aka vegito vs buuhan.

Also it's a huge gap,majin Vegeta said "wel...at least you're stronger then your son was against cell!" That line was to establish this fight IS on another scale of power.

I don't underestimate Vegeta by any means, because I'm going by the manga's depiction of his power, as the anime is pretty much the worst and most inaccurate source of information for determining character strength. Vegetto is far, far stronger than simply adding Goku and Vegeta's strength together (not sure how you're coming to the conclusion that it is just them added together), and as far as the original manga is concerned, Goku and Vegeta (as well as the Pure Buu they fight at the end of the Buu Saga) pale in comparison to Gohan or Gotenks. Even Ssj Gotenks, before the boys trained within the Room of Spirit and Time, was indicated to be at least on the same tier of strength as Ssj3 Goku.

That line doesn't indicate it's a huge gap, just that Vegeta indicates that he's stronger than Gohan was. Piccolo though establishes that the difference between Vegeta and Gohan wasn't that great.
Piccolo: “He’s already surpassed Super Saiyan as well…This is tremendous power…Perhaps even greater than Gohan’s when he fought Cell…”
Since Piccolo can't tell for absolute certain if Vegeta is stronger than Gohan was or not, then that means that the gap wasn't that considerable.

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Re: Why didn't King Yemma send Super Perfect Cell to fight B

Post by Hitiro » Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:22 am

As far as Super Perfect Cell goes I don't think he was that strong compared to SSJ2 Gohan back then. The reason I say this is because even with half of his Ki, Gohan still manage to kill Super Perfect Cell. Gohan wasn't even giving it his all during the beam struggle either through fear of damaging Earth. Had Gohan not taken the damage trying to protect Vegeta I think SSJ2 Gohan would have decimated Super Perfect Cell. We also have the fact that Gohan had gotten weaker over the 7 years and was still on par with Dabra despite Dabra supposedly being as strong as Super Perfect Cell.
LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:I think you underestimate vegeta. He made someone stronger then mystic gohan have to heal in his base form so he's above ssj3 gotenks.
When did he make someone stronger than Mystic Gohan have to heal in his base form?
LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:Also it's a huge gap,majin Vegeta said "wel...at least you're stronger then your son was against cell!" That line was to establish this fight IS on another scale of power.
Not really, all it tells us is that Goku was stronger than Gohan was back then. It could be a gap of 1 and his statement would still hold true. Piccolo has a rough time estimating Majin Vegeta compared to Gohan back then so the gap wouldn't be huge at all. But he is clearly stronger as we have statements to back that up. So effectively we have him stronger but not to the extent where every character can tell that he is.
LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:Also can someone refresh my memory on why people think everyone gets reincarnated? Buu was a special case from Goku. It doesn't mean cell would be reincarnated. Yeah it seams to be based on Buddhist religion, but that doesn't mean it is.
It would have to be based on reincarnation. Because otherwise Heaven would be over-populated. It is a pretty big planet but can you imagine millions of years of the dead from all across the universe going to that planet? The same goes for hell. Also, Akira Toriyama doesn't suggest what the special case for Boo's reincarnation is. He states that it is a faster process with Evil people. But for all we know the "special case" is placing the reincarnation specifically on Earth for Goku rather than millions of lightyears away on some planet Goku would never visit.

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Re: Why didn't King Yemma send Super Perfect Cell to fight B

Post by LuckyCat » Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:51 pm

Hitiro wrote:When did he make someone stronger than Mystic Gohan have to heal in his base form?
I think this was an anime only scene where Vegeta nonsensically fights Kid Buu in base form before finally powering up to SSJ later. But even if we accept this scene, it's not much of a feat. Dabura, base Goku with a kienzan, and some random gunman force Buu to regenerate. It doesn't look like Buu takes any damage from those attacks though.

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