With all things considered who is the strongest human?

[DBZAOTA482]

That includes feats, statements, and power-scaling...


Here's a list on the strongest earthlings by a fellow Kanzenshuu user dbzfan7 (with aid of others, of course.):

1. Krillin
2. Tenshinhan
3. Yamcha
4. Chaozu
5. Yajirobe
6. Muten Roshi
7. Tao Pai Pai
8. Chi-Chi
9. King Chappa
10. Tsuru-senin
11. Grandpa Gohan
12. Gyumao
13. General Blue
14. Nam
15. Bora
16. Pamputto
17. Videl
18. Mr. Satan
19. Ranfan
20. Farmer
21. Bulma

Oob doesn't count. He is a reincarnation of Boo. If you feel he does count then he gets the number 1 spot and move everyone done by one.

Decide among yourselves...

[fadeddreams5]

Well, official sources claim Krillin is the strongest.

If I read the manga for the first time, however, I'd naturally believe Tien is the strongest human. And let's be real, everyone would except the people who would want Krillin to be #1, such as the aforementioned official sources.

[Doctor.]

Well, official sources claim Krillin is the strongest.

If I read the manga for the first time, however, I'd naturally believe Tenshinhan is the strongest human. And let's be real, everyone would except the people who would want Krillin to be #1, such as the above official sources.

If you read the manga, then you'd naturally believe Kuririn is the strongest human... considering Yamcha SAYS so. Let's be real here, everyone would except the people who want Tenshinhan to be #1.

[fadeddreams5]

Well, official sources claim Krillin is the strongest.

If I read the manga for the first time, however, I'd naturally believe Tenshinhan is the strongest human. And let's be real, everyone would except the people who would want Krillin to be #1, such as the above official sources.

If you read the manga, then you'd naturally believe Kuririn is the strongest human... considering Yamcha SAYS so. Let's be real here, everyone would except the people who want Tenshinhan to be #1.

Yamcha says it to his daughter while she looks on... scared. When he thinks "among Earthlings," that's a punchline cause he exaggerates Krillin's strength to her.

This isn't even a debate. There would not be any Krillin vs Tien arguments or outlashes if Toriyama declared Tien to be the strongest human. This simply would not be a thing.

[Doctor.]

Yamcha says it to his daughter while she looks on... scared. When he thinks "among Earthlings," that's a punchline cause he exaggerates Krillin's strength to her.

This isn't even a debate. There would not be any Krillin vs Tenshinhan arguments or outlashes if Toriyama declared Tenshinhan to be the strongest human. This simply would not be a thing.

There's only a debate because Kuririn is perceived by the fanbase to be the useless little weakling character who dies all the time, while Tenshinhan is the stoic "badass" character. So, of course, that has to mean that Tenshinhan is the strongest, right? No, it doesn't. Yamcha is a credible source and he says it, to himself no less, that Kuririn is the strongest human. You're right, this ISN'T a debate, anyone on Tenshinhan's side at this point is just blatantly ignoring facts.

Anyway;

1 - Oob
2 - Kuririn
3 - Tenshinhan
4 - Yamcha
5 - Chaozu
6 - Roshi (F)
7 - Yajirobe
8 - (Cyborg) Tao Pai Pai
9 - Chi-Chi
10 - Chappa
11 - Tsuru-sennin
12 - Son Gohan
13 - General Blue
14 - Namu
15 - Panputto
16 - Yamu
17 - Spopovich
18 - Videl
19 - Murasaki
20 - Mr. Satan
21 - Ranfan
22 - Bacterian

[fadeddreams5]

There's only a debate because Kuririn is perceived by the fanbase to be the useless little weakling character who dies all the time, while Tenshinhan is the stoic "badass" character. So, of course, that has to mean that Tenshinhan is the strongest, right? No, it doesn't. Yamcha is a credible source and he says it, to himself no less, that Kuririn is the strongest human. You're right, this ISN'T a debate, anyone on Tenshinhan's side at this point is just blatantly ignoring facts.

But that's exactly my point. Based on perception, the majority of people reading the manga would assume Tien is stronger than Krillin. Toriyama did a bad job showing otherwise. One little bit of comedic dialogue, especially given the context, is not enough to override everything. The characters have been pretty static in terms of where they stand in power since the beginning of the series. For example, in Dragon Ball, Goku = #1. Piccolo = #2. Tien = #3. Krillin = #4. Yamcha = #5. This is consistent. Apparently though, the only two that shifted are Krillin and Tien, but this isn't really shown in any way. Krillin gets a boost from Guru, but Tien receives training from King Kai. Krillin is shown as, well, cowardly at times, but Tien, as you mentioned, is stoic. Krillin stopped training for 7 years and became a family man, exactly like Gohan, who was visibly shown to become weaker as a result, but Tien clearly continues to. Was the gap that large? Tien is a character who aspired to surpass Goku, but Krillin was always pretty chill about their rivalry. And yes, Tien pushed back Semi-Perfect Cell. Was this because of his technique? Possibly. But this happens. It's badass. Krillin is never shown doing anything like it against a major villain.

I just fail to see how anyone would assume otherwise until they read some external supplement that confirms Krillin's superiority. Before any of that, it was almost widely agreed Tien was stronger, at least from my experience. Mind you, Krillin is unfairly treated as a joke by a lot of people.

[Pantalones]

Considering that Toriyama has been quoted as saying Krillin's the strongest human a couple times, and the guidebooks also say so, I guess Krillin is probably the strongest... at least during the parts of the timeline where those quotes were made in reference to. If Tenshinhan isn't the strongest then he's the obvious pick for #2, since he was always the strongest of the humans before Krillin's "potential unlock" happened and he's been training non-stop (including a year on North Kaio's planet) ever since then... so he shouldn't be too far off from Krillin's level. Yamcha seems to be the straggler out of the main three humans, aside from filler and video games randomly deciding to boost him every now and then... but those don't really count.

So something like...

0: Uub (obviously. XD But if you're not counting Uub, then...)
1: Krillin (at least as of the Buu saga and Resurrection F. It's possible that Tenshinhan will surpass him over the years if he doesn't keep up his training.)
2: Tenshinhan (as said above, he could surpass Krillin in the later years depending on Krillin's training habits, but as of Resurrection F, Krillin is apparently still the stronger of the two.)
3: Yamcha or Chiaotzu (I think it's possible that the albino midget's managed to surpass Yamcha by training with Tenshinhan so much while Yamcha's slacked off after Cell. Krillin at least was still interested in tournaments as of the Buu saga even though he knew he wasn't going to win with the Saiyans, 18, and Piccolo competing, so it seems Yamcha's level of slacking is far beyond Krillin's -- he may have even gotten weaker due to just not ever using his power over the years after Cell.)
4: Whichever of the above two wasn't #3.
5: Yajirobe or Roshi (Resurrection F has Roshi fighting and defeating Freeza's soldiers... they could just be really weak soldiers of course, or maybe Roshi's randomly pushing close to the 1000 mark now, which would put him at or above Yajirobe's last known level... it's hard to say which. Assuming Yajirobe hasn't been training since the pre-Nappa/Vegeta year, anyway; if he has, he's definitely #5.)
6: Whichever of the above two wasn't #5.

If you read the manga, then you'd naturally believe Kuririn is the strongest human... considering Yamcha SAYS so. Let's be real here, everyone would except the people who want Tenshinhan to be #1.

Because a guy who probably hasn't seen Krillin in 7 years, definitely hasn't seen Tenshinhan in 7 years, and is currently trying to reassure Krillin's daughter that his dad will be okay fighting in a martial arts tournament, is totally an expert on exactly how strong the two are in relation to each other and couldn't possibly be fudging things a little for the sake of not making Dad look bad in front of the kid.

That said, it's entirely possible Krillin still has a lead on Tenshinhan in terms of raw power, thus making him the strongest human fighter -- and that's what statements by Toriyama and the guidebooks are saying, too. But it's really, really dumb to take some off-hand statement by Yamcha of all people as some kind of absolutely true statement of power comparison, especially considering the context.

[Sandubadear]

Kuririn is stronger overall, Tenshinhan has better ki techniques, but the strongest human is Oob

[Doctor.]

And yes, Tenshinhan pushed back Semi-Perfect Cell. Was this because of his technique? Possibly. But this happens. It's badass. Krillin is never shown doing anything like it against a major villain.

I seem to remember him cutting Freeza's tail with his Kienzan, which is arguably more impressive considering it actually did damage to the villain.

[fadeddreams5]

And yes, Tenshinhan pushed back Semi-Perfect Cell. Was this because of his technique? Possibly. But this happens. It's badass. Krillin is never shown doing anything like it against a major villain.

I seem to remember him cutting Freeza's tail with his Kienzan, which is arguably more impressive considering it actually did damage to the villain.

If anything, it's a demonstration of how incompetent Krillin is since he could kill pretty much any villain that doesn't have regeneration with that broken technique.

[Kaboom]

All things considered, Kuririn is definitely the strongest Earthling, because everything and everyone with an official opinion to give has said he is. Toriyama said it vicariously through a character in his manga in no uncertain terms, said it directly in an interview some years later, and numerous official supplementary sources have repeated it with no hesitation in the years since, even as far as material relating to the brand-new movies. Kuririn's the strongest of the "natural" Earthlings (i.e. not modified Androids or reincarnated demon-things). Badabing.

If those things didn't exist, only then would there be potential for a debate. Neither Kuririn or the fan-favorite runner-up Tenshinhan would have anything to definitively prove that they're the top Earthling dog. He started out a lot stronger than Kuririn, sure, but that wasn't shaping up to be any sort of status quo. The last we saw, readings of their power levels showed that Kuririn had rapidly closed in on Tenshinhan and they were practically equals (1,770 vs 1,830 during the Saiyan invasion; a negligible 3% difference). They each then went on to gain a lot more strength in very different ways (the Grand Elder's unlock and training on Kaio's), but without Yamcha's comment in the Boo arc they would never be compared again. It would be entirely up to taste and opinion on who was stronger.

But like I said, that only means that unlike now there would actually be a debate to be had. The things that Tenshinhan's advocates like to point out still wouldn't inherently show or prove anything about his strength compared to the other humans. He jumps into hopeless battles when Kuririn doesn't? Only means he's braver or more reckless. He trains when Kuririn chooses to relax or retire? Only shows he's more ambitious. Even Tenshinhan's the Shin Kikoho's admittedly impressive showing against Cell only shows that Ten's got an alarmingly effective move up his sleeve, and does nothing to measure him against Kuririn. Not unless Kuririn was given the same technique and allowed to also use it against Cell for the sake of comparing the results.

So long story short... Kuririn's the strongest natural Earthling, because the author and all the books and such say he is, and that holds true until we're shown or told otherwise. Period. If they did NOT say that, it would only open room for debate and opinion. It would not automatically hand the title over to Tenshinhan.

[Doctor.]

And yes, Tenshinhan pushed back Semi-Perfect Cell. Was this because of his technique? Possibly. But this happens. It's badass. Krillin is never shown doing anything like it against a major villain.

I seem to remember him cutting Freeza's tail with his Kienzan, which is arguably more impressive considering it actually did damage to the villain.

If anything, it's a demonstration of how incompetent Krillin is since he could kill pretty much any villain that doesn't have regeneration with that broken technique.

Incompetent? He did A LOT better against Nappa than Tenshinhan did. And that's the last time the two characters fought together.

[ekrolo2]

All things considered, Kuririn is definitely the strongest Earthling, because everything and everyone with an official opinion to give has said he is. Toriyama said it vicariously through a character in his manga in no uncertain terms, said it directly in an interview some years later, and numerous official supplementary sources have repeated it with no hesitation in the years since, even as far as material relating to the brand-new movies. Kuririn's the strongest of the "natural" Earthlings (i.e. not modified Androids or reincarnated demon-things). Badabing.

If those things didn't exist, only then would there be potential for a debate. Neither Kuririn or the fan-favorite runner-up Tenshinhan would have anything to definitively prove that they're the top Earthling dog. He started out a lot stronger than Kuririn, sure, but that wasn't shaping up to be any sort of status quo. The last we saw, readings of their power levels showed that Kuririn had rapidly closed in on Tenshinhan and they were practically equals (1,770 vs 1,830 during the Saiyan invasion; a negligible 3% difference). They each then went on to gain a lot more strength in very different ways (the Grand Elder's unlock and training on Kaio's), but without Yamcha's comment in the Boo arc they would never be compared again. It would be entirely up to taste and opinion on who was stronger.

But like I said, that only means that unlike now there would actually be a debate to be had. The things that Tenshinhan's advocates like to point out still wouldn't inherently show or prove anything about his strength compared to the other humans. He jumps into hopeless battles when Kuririn doesn't? Only means he's braver or more reckless. He trains when Kuririn chooses to relax or retire? Only shows he's more ambitious. Even Tenshinhan's the Shin Kikoho's admittedly impressive showing against Cell only shows that Ten's got an alarmingly effective move up his sleeve, and does nothing to measure him against Kuririn. Not unless Kuririn was given the same technique and allowed to also use it against Cell for the sake of comparing the results.

So long story short... Kuririn's the strongest natural Earthling, because the author and all the books and such say he is, and that holds true until we're shown or told otherwise. Period. If they did NOT say that, it would only open room for debate and opinion. It would not automatically hand the title over to Tenshinhan.

Is Krillin's max power always 1770 or is that just his reading when he attacks the Saibamen?

[Kaboom]

Is Krillin's max power always 1770 or is that just his reading when he attacks the Saibamen?

Both Kuririn's 1,770 and Ten's 1,830 are from a Weekly Jump article and then repeated in the Daizenshu. Neither of their full powers are actually read in the manga. Only Kuririn's relaxed level of 1,083 is measured before Nappa and Vegeta remove their scouters, and then Ten and Chaozu arrive after that. But presumably those numbers are meant to be their full Saibaimen-thrashing power levels.

[RandomGuy96]

It's pretty weird how consistent everything, from the manga to the video games, is about Krillin being the strongest Earthling. They're not that consistent about anything else, short of "Goku is a saiyan".

[Lord Beerus]

Krillin. Confirmed in the manga and in interviews with Toriyama.

[fadeddreams5]

Incompetent? He did A LOT better against Nappa than Tenshinhan did. And that's the last time the two characters fought together.

Only because Tien was the first person Nappa lunged at after powering up. Literally any other character would have gotten a limb torn off, or worse, decapitated if he chose them instead. Nobody anticipated Nappa's power. Right after, Chiaotzu kamikazes, throwing Tien off more than he already was. Even then, he fought one on one with a MISSING ARM before sacrificing himself. Krillin didn't do any better or worse against Nappa, honestly. He mostly just caught him off-guard a lot.

That said, one of the highlights of Krillin's fighting career was the Saiyan saga. Killed all the saibamen, didn't die against Nappa, threw the spirit bomb, and nearly killed Vegeta if Goku hadn't intervened. I cannot deny that. I love Krillin.

If they did NOT say that, it would only open room for debate and opinion. It would not automatically hand the title over to Tenshinhan.

What argument would pro-Krillin fans make though? "Cause Yamcha said so"? That's...it. There's no definitive proof that Tien is #1, but how can you get any other impression after going through the story?

[Kaboom]

What argument would pro-Krillin fans make though? "Cause Yamcha said so"? That's...it. There's no definitive proof that Tenshinhan is #1, but how can you get any other impression after going through the story?

One that's every bit as viable or legit as the one Tenshinhan's supporters would have, because without that line from Yamcha there's no definitive proof for either of them. Like I said, all of Tenshinhan's so-called "feats" demonstrate nothing about his strength compared to anyone else, only his personality and his repertoire of techniques. You've got both of them being practically equal in power against the Saiyans, then both have things happen to them that greatly increase their strength... then (sans Yamcha's line) they're never compared again.

[Rockman X]

Do Cyborgs count as humans? if so then Cyborg 17&18 are one of the strongest "humans" and uub is OBVIOUSLY strong as fu*k but i won't say as strong as Kid buu as we don't know for sure but then it gets tricky both Krillin&Tien seem to have their pros&cons krillin has better fighting/Ki techniques&battle experience whereas Tien has more sheer raw power&determination tien's fighting spirit is WAY above Krillin's but Krillin had his potential unlocked so i'm leaning more towards Krillin... ITS KRILLER TIME!

and BTW is Tien REALLY HUMAN with his 4 arms and 3 eyes?
but then again i remember that pilaf is supposed to be a human as well. -_-

[Hitiro]

Do Cyborgs count as humans? if so then Cyborg 17&18 are one of the strongest "humans" and uub is OBVIOUSLY strong as fu*k but i won't say as strong as Kid buu as we don't know for sure but then it gets tricky both Krillin&Tenshinhan seem to have their pros&cons krillin has better fighting/Ki techniques&battle experience whereas Tenshinhan has more sheer raw power&determination Tenshinhan's fighting spirit is WAY above Krillin's but Krillin had his potential unlocked so i'm leaning more towards Krillin... ITS KRILLER TIME!

and BTW is Tenshinhan REALLY HUMAN with his 4 arms and 3 eyes?
but then again i remember that pilaf is supposed to be a human as well. -_-

In the guide books Tenshinhan's four arms technique, multi-form and his 3 eyes are all attributed to him having alien descent from an alien clan called the three-eyed clan. But what really makes a human exactly? Generations of the same DNA? Because if we're going to say that Tenshinhan is not a human because sometime a long time ago an alien and a human created a hybrid then can we not say the same about other more realistic world evolutions/hybrids. We were once supposed to be apes but through evolution and mating with species who had more alien DNA, through mutations, we slowly became the norm.