Is it wrong I hate most of the fandom?

[ekrolo2]

I usually get far more negative reactions to when I say I dislike Super than I ever have for the few times I said I liked it. In fact, Super is getting more love than anything else outside of here from my experience. Though this forum is the only place where I've been able to have any kind of discussion with anyone as to why I dislike it. Usually on YT it's just "Lol you're a hater and none of that opinion bullshit!" then they immediately f*ck off whenever it comes to actually trying to counter argue any of my points.

On Youtube, I find it that there's a reasonably positive reaction of Super, but even still there's a lot of hate, just check out one of Faulconer's songs or click on a famous fight and scroll down the comments. Outside of Youtube and Kanzenshuu, there are plenty of websites with a pretty negative reaction of Super. MyAnimeList and 4chan despise it, for instance. Reddit seems to dislike it somewhat as well, but don't quote me on that because I'm not very active over there.

Doesn't MyAnimeList hate everything though?

[VegettoEX]

Let's please try not to disparage other communities! People are entitled to like or dislike whatever they want, and painting entire other communities with generalizations is rather gross.

[Zephyr]

They're some of the most ignorant, biased, and close-minded I've ever came across.

Every fandom has large groups of ignorant, biased, and close-minded people. A very large percentage of the human race is ignorant, biased, and close-minded.

When you think more about why and how people come to be ignorant, biased, and close-minded, there's a chance you'll realize that it's never 100% the fault of the ignorant, biased, and close-minded individual that they are such.

Which then brings us to the "hate" part. Is it right to hate someone for character traits, behavior, mannerisms, and thought processes that they're not entirely responsible for, and/or have yet to manage to out grow? I don't think anyone, who wouldn't likewise desire such sentiments being held toward themselves, would honestly and sincerely claim to feel that way.

When you make claims of hating people for circumstances outside of their control, you make yourself sound precisely like one of these ignorant, biased, and close-minded people that you're trying to trash.

That's not to say that these sorts of people are a joy to converse with, read the posts of, or what have you (rather, I find them to be fairly irritating to converse with and read the posts of), but I feel that hate in particular is both too strong and too vague of a term to be just tossed around like this.

[DarkPrince_92]

The problem I'd say is that, those certain fans are simply uninformed. They've seen DBZ once or twice, and feel like they have it all together. They haven't gotten as in depth in the series as we have, so they missed out on certain things. And when they say things that are flat out wrong, and other uninformed fans eat that crap up, which creates more of them. That's how rumors start. That's how false info spreads. That's how arguments among them happen. And that's why we can't stand them lol.

Most of them are on Youtube, I try my best to avoid the comment section, or post my own. It's way less headache.

[Doctor.]

Let's please try not to disparage other communities! People are entitled to like or dislike whatever they want, and painting entire other communities with generalizations is rather gross.

I really wasn't trying to put down the other communities, I was just saying what I, in my experience as a fan of the series in various different communities, have seen or experienced the most. A general impression, so to speak. I think it's fair to say "x community seems to like y thing but seems to dislike z thing a lot", it's not like anyone was being insulted at all, nor was my post phrased in a way that could imply that. But if the staff feels like it's inappropriate, I'll quit it.

[FortuneSSJ]

No, because I hate it too. I don't bother discuss anything on internet about this series out here.
To be honest, I barely discuss anything on internet about anime/manga.

Most of the cases, Is either people that don't know what they are talking about or wanna be trolls derailing the subject. Nothing beats real life.

[huzaifa_ahmed]

The problem I'd say is that, those certain fans are simply uninformed. They've seen DBZ once or twice, and feel like they have it all together. They haven't gotten as in depth in the series as we have, so they missed out on certain things. And when they say things that are flat out wrong, and other uninformed fans eat that crap up, which creates more of them. That's how rumors start. That's how false info spreads. That's how arguments among them happen. And that's why we can't stand them lol.

Most of them are on Youtube, I try my best to avoid the comment section, or post my own. It's way less headache.

Keep in mind many of those folks are kids 15 or under.

The DBZ sub-Reddit is similar, but with much fewer kids.

[Lord Beerus]

When you have a franchise that is well-known and adored as Dragon Ball is worldwide, the variety in terms of opinions on certain aspects of the franchise only become more broad and more diverse with every new fan Dragon Ball attains. You don't have to agree or disagree with them, as the only opinion that should matter is your own. But it certainly is understandable to get annoyed if certain fans make quite misinformed comments about the more significant parts of Dragon Ball. But that's what Kanzenshuu is here for. To appropriately inform any uniformed Dragon Ball fan.

[garfield15]

The problem I'd say is that, those certain fans are simply uninformed. They've seen DBZ once or twice, and feel like they have it all together. They haven't gotten as in depth in the series as we have, so they missed out on certain things. And when they say things that are flat out wrong, and other uninformed fans eat that crap up, which creates more of them. That's how rumors start. That's how false info spreads. That's how arguments among them happen. And that's why we can't stand them lol.

Most of them are on Youtube, I try my best to avoid the comment section, or post my own. It's way less headache.

I think this guy pretty much got how I feel

Especially the rumors and false info thing. I think we can all agree that has always been the worst part of DB fandom is how incredibly easy it is to spread misinformation, more than any other manga or anime I'd say

[Bullza]

Curious why you're posting the same thing up in different places, particularly if you hate most of them.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/2000113- ... l/72582297

Slapjack!

[Soppa Saia People]

Of the Fandoms I'm apart of I have to say Dragon Ball is the worst. Pokemon has genwunners, the Mega Man fanbase is spoiled, the mother fanbase is good except when they bully Reggie and Dragon Ball has dub fans, sub fans, BP levels arguments and cannon debates all which can bring out the worst of people.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

I've also noticed people defending Super outside of here because "it's made by Toriyama, unlike that GT garbage."

I love Super but man... I hate that argument.

Yeah I agree. Being made by Toriyama doesn't make it good. It ha plenty of ACTUAL/LEGITIMTE reasons to like it, even with some of the bad things it's still enjoyable.GT bandwagon haters should just be ignored. I mean it's one thing to hate it, but to attack people for liking it ad trolling GT videos and forum is just stupid. It's why I switched from other places and came to this site, higher level of maturity.

Liking Toriyama's touch? That's fine I enjoy it too. but this franchise isn't going to have superman's staying power if the fandom crucifies ANYTHING that isn't Toriyama's work simply for not being his work. I wanna seethe franchise live forever, past the life of the sadly not immortal Toriyama. I mean superman fans don't attack things for not being by the original author...this is just one of the cons out of the many pros we get from living in a digital age.

[TripleRach]

People can be pretty awful at times. Not just because of internet anonymity, because it certainly happens in "real life" too, with seemingly mature adults gossiping behind people's backs, or even being rude to complete strangers in public.

But most people are not sociopaths. They're capable of feeling remorse and sympathy, especially when they're faced with real consequences for their actions. They're also capable of learning and changing, but they might need something to inspire them and push them out of their comfort zones.

If you want people to be more open-minded, you have to be open-minded to them as well. Ideally you'll build up a mutual understanding, and then it becomes a lot harder to call each other a "worthless shitbucket" when you disagree. Other humans are complicated and full of surprises if you give them a chance to show you.

[Gozar]

Frankly I feel that fandoms have been allowed to get worse and worse over the years thanks to the internet. Just like pretty much everything else in life, most people feel that because they're on the faceless internet, they're allowed to act in ways that they wouldn't dare in a face to face situation. Like I said, this isn't limited to nerdy fans, this is everything on the internet. I literally once saw a Youtube Video of an old Sesame Street episode have its comment section filled with religious and anti-gay bullcrap plastered all over it.

Between work, school, and just walking around in public with a DBZ shirt on, I've met numerous DragonBall fans that seem like nice people. We'd discuss a thing or two before parting ways. I've even disagreed with people over minor topics and nothing ever got hostile. But put 8 out of 10 of those people on the internet and I just know there would have been a flame war.

Frankly, that's why I mostly Forum lurk around any fandoms these days and rarely post unless a topic really strikes me. I'd like to get involved again, but I always wind up seeing stuff that I hate and bail out, even if it's not directed at me. Unfortunately, Kanzenshuu is no different. While the moderators do a fantastic job cleaning up and preventing flame wars and stuff like that...This place has numerous of the elitist type that will conform to every Forum rule, while finding way to speak in the most condescending and demeaning way possible. Almost akin to a child wagging a finger in another child's face and saying "I'm not touching yoooooooou..."

In the end, I've really come to loathe most Fandoms all around because every fandom has their own set of the same exact problems. It's likely something that will never go away unfortunately.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Frankly I feel that fandoms have been allowed to get worse and worse over the years thanks to the internet. Just like pretty much everything else in life, most people feel that because they're on the faceless internet, they're allowed to act in ways that they wouldn't dare in a face to face situation. Like I said, this isn't limited to nerdy fans, this is everything on the internet. I literally once saw a Youtube Video of an old Sesame Street episode have its comment section filled with religious and anti-gay bullcrap plastered all over it.

Between work, school, and just walking around in public with a DBZ shirt on, I've met numerous DragonBall fans that seem like nice people. We'd discuss a thing or two before parting ways. I've even disagreed with people over minor topics and nothing ever got hostile. But put 8 out of 10 of those people on the internet and I just know there would have been a flame war.

Frankly, that's why I mostly Forum lurk around any fandoms these days and rarely post unless a topic really strikes me. I'd like to get involved again, but I always wind up seeing stuff that I hate and bail out, even if it's not directed at me. Unfortunately, Kanzenshuu is no different. While the moderators do a fantastic job cleaning up and preventing flame wars and stuff like that...This place has numerous of the elitist type that will conform to every Forum rule, while finding way to speak in the most condescending and demeaning way possible. Almost akin to a child wagging a finger in another child's face and saying "I'm not touching yoooooooou..."

In the end, I've really come to loathe most Fandoms all around because every fandom has their own set of the same exact problems. It's likely something that will never go away unfortunately.

Yeah it's just the bad part of human nature popping up. I think it's better to ignore them no matter how irritating it is.

[derpgoku]

I hate the "How could a real fan enjoy Super" or the " If you are enjoying super you are lying " or the "you are not a real fan if you didn't know this X fact" etcetera.
Of cource people have they're opinion but some of them need to realise there are somethings that you hate but others love

[Ree]

Those people are stupid.
True fans dont form imaginary cool kids clubs based on what people like.

[Thedoctor2016]

I like the JP VA but won't insult people for liking it as i understand people grew up with it and its their dragon ball. However some parts of the DB fandom isn't nice as when people spoilt DBZRF for me (as i live in the UK i had to wait till last week), and also some people criticised me for calling Buu,Boo as i watched the sub its whats he called to me but this person wasn't taking it as an acceptable way. I've had mixed experience tbh

[precita]

The problem with the fanbase is its fragmented based on which version of the show you grew up with:

- Japanese fans or english fans who watched the original first will always prefer it over any dub.

- FUNImation dub fans grew up with the FUNI dub and voices

- Ocean dub fans who grew up with that version

- Then Latin American dub and all other language dubs that people watched in various countries.


Most fans who grew up with their version despise the other versions, aside from FUNI fans who gave the original Japanese version a chance and prefer it. Fans also despise each others dub preferences because the names are altered and people don't like changed names for their favorite characters. This has been going on since 1998 so its boiled down to like 17 years of hatred in the fandom. 17 years for those of us who have been around since the late 90's or earlier will certainly be jaded and that's why the fandom has been in shambles for years.

[DragonBallLove]

Yes, I think it's wrong. It means you give a crap. And with jerks, you shouldn't. Stop giving people who doesn't deserve your interest and emotional investment attention. Don't be bother by their existance. Think about as if they just aren't there.