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fadeddreams5 wrote:Mr. Popo is stronger than Goku at the end of Dragon Ball? O_o
Why didn't he just stop Piccolo Jr? lol.
...And solve mortal affairs that don't need his involvement?
soppa saia people wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:Mr. Popo is stronger than Goku at the end of Dragon Ball? O_o
Why didn't he just stop Piccolo Jr? lol.
Because that is not his job.
That didn't stop Kami, his boss, from possessing a human and entering the tournament.
Considering Goku beat King Piccolo (pretty easily too), but was flicked away by Kami when he first met him, I'm just going to assume that list of power levels is completely inaccurate.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
Guys, guys, I think we can all agree that the strongest human is in-fact this guy right here:
Spoiler:
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
ekrolo2 wrote:Guys, guys, I think we can all agree that the strongest human is in-fact this guy right here:
Spoiler:
Didn't he become a God in a New 52 storyline?
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
ekrolo2 wrote:Guys, guys, I think we can all agree that the strongest human is in-fact this guy right here:
Spoiler:
I totally agr--
Spoiler:
nvm. =P
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
ekrolo2 wrote:Guys, guys, I think we can all agree that the strongest human is in-fact this guy right here:
Spoiler:
I totally agr--
Spoiler:
nvm. =P
You know it to be true
Lord Beerus wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:Guys, guys, I think we can all agree that the strongest human is in-fact this guy right here:
Spoiler:
Didn't he become a God in a New 52 storyline?
Yup, in Johns N52 "Darkseid War" storyline still going on atm.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Mr. Popo is stronger than Goku at the end of Dragon Ball? O_o
Why didn't he just stop Piccolo Jr? lol.
...And solve mortal affairs that don't need his involvement?
soppa saia people wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:Mr. Popo is stronger than Goku at the end of Dragon Ball? O_o
Why didn't he just stop Piccolo Jr? lol.
Because that is not his job.
That didn't stop Kami, his boss, from possessing a human and entering the tournament.
Considering Goku beat King Piccolo (pretty easily too), but was flicked away by Kami when he first met him, I'm just going to assume that list of power levels is completely inaccurate.
Oh wait, he's even weaker than Piccolo Jr. Dunno where you got the idea he was stronger.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
I wrote that in response to the power level picture Doctor. linked to.
It has Kami as weaker than Piccolo Daimao, yet Mr.Popo stronger than Goku at the end of Dragon Ball, who's a bit stronger than Piccolo Jr. Makes no sense.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
fadeddreams5 wrote:I wrote that in response to the power level picture Doctor. linked to.
It has Kami as weaker than Piccolo Daimao, yet Mr.Popo stronger than Goku at the end of Dragon Ball, who's a bit stronger than Piccolo Jr. Makes no sense.
I assume it's because he trained with the humans and got stronger as a result. It doesn't make sense imo, but I'm not one who follows the official battle powers strictly. I just posted it because B. asked for it.
If it weren't for Toriyama's statements, I'd say Tenshinhan. Why? Because, unlike Kuririn, Tenshinhan kept up his training aftert the Cell Games. Then again Toriyama is rather forgetful, so maybe Tenshinhan is the strongest? All in all, it doesn't really matter. Unless Super lets someone other than Goku and Vegeta do someithing important, both Kuririn and Tenshinhan will still be fodder.
DanielSSJ wrote:If it weren't for Toriyama's statements, I'd say Tenshinhan. Why? Because, unlike Kuririn, Tenshinhan kept up his training aftert the Cell Games. Then again Toriyama is rather forgetful, so maybe Tenshinhan is the strongest? All in all, it doesn't really matter. Unless Super lets someone other than Goku and Vegeta do someithing important, both Kuririn and Tenshinhan will still be fodder.
At the same time though Kuririn had his potential unlocked on Namek by Saichorou, which Tenshinhan never had happen. So Tenshinhan would have had a good bit of catching up he needed to do to ever equal, let alone surpass, Kuririn again.
Besides, we have official blog statements about Revival of F indicating that Kuririn was still the strongest, even then, so that's not just Toriyama's word on the matter.
Darkprince410 wrote:
At the same time though Kuririn had his potential unlocked on Namek by Saichorou, which Tenshinhan never had happen. So Tenshinhan would have had a good bit of catching up he needed to do to ever equal, let alone surpass, Kuririn again.
Besides, we have official blog statements about Revival of F indicating that Kuririn was still the strongest, even then, so that's not just Toriyama's word on the matter.
Krillin trained for 3 years after Namek and then settled down. Tenshinhan trained for those 3 years, plus the 7 years until the Buu saga, plus (presumably) the 10 years until the end of Z. And all this without Krillin looking noticeably stronger or more impressive than Tenshinhan in any canon moment except when Yamcha implies that Krillin is stronger even though he is, surely, talking about how they were the last time he was able to compare them directly. In fact, in canon moments, its Tenshinhan who seems more impressive/stronger even though there's no direct comparison.
Also, the official blog statements say that because Toriyama said that. It's basically repetition.
precita wrote:Krillin also never trained with King Kai, and oddly enough he's the only human not to.
Yes. In fact, he seems to be the only one who didn't do any gravity training. Also, Tenshinhan was the one who stayed with Kaio the longest to train.
Zombie wrote:We don't know exactly where in that 7 year gap Kuririn stopped training.
It doesn't really matter because the point is that during that time Tenshinhan was much more serious about his training than Krillin, not whether if Krillin ever did a push-up during those 7 years or not.
Isn't it stated that Tien continued his training in the Daizenshuu?
Either way, I don't really care who's the stronger of the two. However, I'll be the first to admit that I always thought Tien was the more powerful one after reading the manga. I have no issue with Krillin being the more powerful one, but that wasn't the initial impression I had.
"First I whip it out! Then I thrust it! With great force! Every angle...! It penetrates! Until...! With great strength...! I... ram it in! In the end... We are all satisfied... And you are set free...!" ~Dante~
I mean, Tien's training isn't necessarily doing much for him at all. The series states multiple times doing the same training, especially without a partner/an extremely inferior partner, doesn't do much over time. If he's just been doing the same mountain training for years, his gains might be like 1% a year.
That never stopped Vegeta from training in 150x gravity in Super.
Was that stuff about the "same training giving lesser gains" actually stated?
"First I whip it out! Then I thrust it! With great force! Every angle...! It penetrates! Until...! With great strength...! I... ram it in! In the end... We are all satisfied... And you are set free...!" ~Dante~
