"Gotenks surpassing Vegeta and the others".

[Zantetsuken]

If it wasn't obvious then people would't debate it now would they. .

It is quite obvious in the anime. They state it several times.

[Kakashi]

Well, what can I do? This guy repeats the same things which were debunked over and over

All credit goes to Kamikzie Pyro from DBZF for putting this together

KEY
Pure Boo = Kid Boo
Evil Boo = Super Boo
Pure Evil Boo = Gray Boo/Skinny Boo

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1. Fat Boo fights SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta, who was equal to SSjin 2 Goku, and crushes him. Vegeta resorts to self-destructing because he's so far below Boo and sees no other choice. We've got this so far:

Fat Boo > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku

Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 465 (DBZ 271), P7.1-2
Context: after Vegeta blasts a hole through Boo’s chest
Boo: “That hurt…a little bit…hehehe…”
Vegeta: “…Are you immortal?...”

Chapter: 466 (DBZ 272), P1.3
Context: after Boo’s big attack that makes a crater
Vegeta: “…Wh-what the?...Ridiculous; he’s st-strong, and to top it off immortal too…Damn it all…”

Chapter: 466 (DBZ 272), P2.3
Piccolo: “Even Ve-Vegeta absolutely can’t scratch that thing…”

Chapter: 467 (DBZ 273), P1.2-3
Trunks: “N-no! We’ll fight too! You’ll be killed on your own, papa! We’ll definitely be able to defeat him if we 3 do it together!”
Vegeta: “It’s no use…No matter how many of us go at him…Not if we fight in the ordinary way…”

Chapter: 469 (DBZ 275), P5.1
Piccolo: “Just as Kaioshin feared, Majin Boo’s strength surpasses our imagination…If we leave him alone like this, then without a doubt all life on not merely the Earth, but throughout the entire universe will be wiped out…”

Chapter: 469 (DBZ 275), P5.6-7
Goku: “Damn it! If either Vegeta or Gohan were alive, maybe we could have managed something…”
Piccolo: “…No, it probably wouldn’t matter how many people went at him…He wasn’t at that level…”

Chapter: 472 (DBZ 278), P10.7
Context: after Goten and Trunks question Goku’s power and Piccolo gets mad
Goku: “It’s alright, Piccolo…I really am weak. It don’t look like I can beat Majin Boo, not even a little bit.”

2. SSjin 3 Goku stalls Boo so Trunks can get the Dragon Radar. When Goku returns to the Lookout, he tells Piccolo he "probably" couldn't have beaten Boo. Piccolo is visibly skeptical, but for now, we've got this:

Fat Boo > SSjin 3 Goku > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku

Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P10.5-8
Piccolo: “Goku…There’s something I want to ask you while I’ve got the chance…[ ] …That Super Saiyan 3 thing earlier…if you had gone all-out, wouldn’t you have been able to defeat Majin Boo?...How about it, am I wrong?”
Goku: “Nah, I don’t know…When it comes to Majin Boo’s strength, it’s like a lie…I think that I probably couldn’t have won…”

3. Goku introduces Fusion and states twice that if the boys perfect it, they'll definitely be able to beat Boo. The boys could only go SSjin, so that's what Goku assumed they'd beat Boo with, otherwise he would have stated they could beat him even without the use of the form. Also, he tells Piccolo he told Boo a stronger fighter than him would come in 2 days; he never actually told this to Boo, but Piccolo doesn't know that. Now we have:

SSjin Gotenks > Fat Boo > SSjin 3 Goku > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku

Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 472 (DBZ 278), P9.4
Context: after explaining that Fusion lasts 30 minutes
Goku: “With these two, if they just manage to perform Fusion successfully, I think they’ll definitely be able to defeat him within 30 minutes. Fusion is just that extreme.”

Chapter: 477 (DBZ 283), P11.8
Context: Chi-Chi thinks Goten will get killed by Boo
Goku: “Don’t worry. If he perfects the technique he’s trying now, he definitely ain’t gonna lose.”

4. Goku leaves and the boys finally get Fusion right. Gotenks forms in Base first, and right away Piccolo tells him he's not strong enough to even think about beating Boo. Gotenks cockily disobeys Piccolo and leaves to fight Boo, but returns after a prompt butt-kicking, cementing Piccolo's statement. Although he gets his butt kicked, he was confident in fighting Boo, and Krillin and Yamcha also seemed to think he stood a chance. In order for Gotenks to feel confident, he would have to be comfortably ahead of SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta and Goku. We have:

SSjin Gotenks > Fat Boo > SSjin 3 Goku > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku

Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P11.4-5
Context: after Piccolo says to try Fusion again, as Super Saiyans
Gotenks: “Hehhehheh…Aren’t you underestimating me? Like this, I’m more than enough to defeat Majin Boo.”
Piccolo: “Yo-you idiot! What are you saying?! You don’t know anything about Majin Boo’s fearsomeness! No matter how incredible you may be, at that level there’s still absolutely no way you’d be able to win!”

Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P12.5
Context: After Gotenks takes off, saying he'll beat Boo
Kuririn: “He-he’s pretty haughty, but just maybe he re-really will be able to take care of [Boo]…”
Yamcha: “Ye-yeah…He sure seemed pretty confident…”

Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P13.2-3
Context: after Gotenks returns from fighting Boo
Gotenks: “I got the tar beaten out of me…”
Piccolo: “Alright, your fight with Majin Boo is 1 day from now! Until then, train as much as you can! If you get even a little bit stronger, it will be more effective when you perform Fusion. Got that, you miserable little punks?!”

5. The boys then fuse as Super Saiyans, and Piccolo is in awe of SSjin Gotenks' power, but questions his speed; notice he doesn't question Gotenks' power, and he merely asked for a "little" demonstration of his movement. When Gotenks flies off and Piccolo finally catches up to him, Gotenks flaunts his speed and flies off again, but Piccolo shows no fear except that Gotenks only has 1 minute left to fight. Since nothing thus far contradicts it, we have:

SSjin Gotenks > Fat Boo > SSjin 3 Goku > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku

Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P11.4-5
Context: after Piccolo says to try Fusion again, as Super Saiyans
Gotenks: “Hehhehheh…Aren’t you underestimating me? Like this, I’m more than enough to defeat Majin Boo.”
Piccolo: “Yo-you idiot! What are you saying?! You don’t know anything about Majin Boo’s fearsomeness! No matter how incredible you may be, at that level there’s still absolutely no way you’d be able to win!”

Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P13.2-3
Context: after Gotenks returns from fighting Boo
Gotenks: “I got the tar beaten out of me…”
Piccolo: “Alright, your fight with Majin Boo is 1 day from now! Until then, train as much as you can! If you get even a little bit stronger, it will be more effective when you perform Fusion. Got that, you miserable little punks?!”

Chapter: 482 (DBZ 288), P7.2-3
Context: after Super Saiyan Gotenks forms for the first time
Piccolo: “…Yeah…Your ki really is absolutely incredible, but how about your movement?...Show me a little”
Gotenks: “Is that alright? If I show you here, the house might break. I’ll do it on the ground.”

Chapter: 482 (DBZ 288), P9.3-8
Context: Piccolo finally catches up to Gotenks
Gotenks: “You’re slow. So you finally got here? Besides circling around the Earth several times, I even took a little afternoon nap. [ ] Fuffuffuh…So you can’t tell just from my speed just now? My super-duper incredible power…! …Which is to say that the test is over, and I’m going to go take care of that annoying Majin Boo right away…”
*Gotenks takes off*
Piccolo: “H-hey, you idiot! Kuh…! Wh-what a *****head…H-he already has only 1 minute left that he can stay merged. That dimwhit…!”

6. Evil Boo forms and Piccolo immediately rushes the boys into the Room of Spirit and Time, telling Krillin that they can't win as they are now. He also states Evil Boo is superior to Fat Boo in all aspects, including strength. We have:

Evil Boo > SSjin Gotenks > Fat Boo > SSjin 3 Goku > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku

Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 487 (DBZ 293), P13.5
Context: as Piccolo plans on having Goten and Trunks train in the Room of Spirit and Time
Piccolo: “Can’t you tell…?! As they are now, even if they perform Fusion they can’t win, no doubt about it…! Tell them that if they don’t want to die while they’re still just little brats, then they should train as much as they can…!”

Chapter: 488 (DBZ 294), P5.5-6
Trunks: “Huh!? That’s Majin Boo!?”
Goten: “He-he really has changed…”
Piccolo: “It’s not just his appearance…Everything about him is definitely greater than before…”

7. The boys train for about 15 days (7 hours in the outside world). While still training, Trunks states that even with "regular Fusion," they should be able to beat Boo. When Base Gotenks actually forms, Piccolo thinks they might have a chance. Logic be damned, this puts Base Gotenks above his previous Super Saiyan power by a decent margin at least.

Evil Boo ~ Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > Fat Boo > SSjin 3 Goku > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku

Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P3.5
Context: Trunks doesn’t like the idea of fighting Boo as a Super Saiyan 3 from the start
Trunks: “I think…that we’ve already progressed so much that even in a regular state Fusion, we’ll be about equal with Majin Boo...”

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P11.5
Context: seeing Gotenks after he’d trained in the Room of Spirit and Time
Piccolo: “He-he really is different…! He really has greatly powered up…! Th-this just might…!”

8. It turns out Goku was right that Boo's Ki was "like a lie," and Base Gotenks is promptly shoveled off the pavement after being humiliated; so Evil Boo was heavily underestimated. It takes Super Saiyan 3 for Gotenks to actually damage Boo. Near the end of their fight, it appears as if Gotenks is about to finish Boo, but time runs out and he splits back into Goten and Trunks. Evil Boo later states to Gohan that he felt Gohan's Ki on the Kai planet and decided to wait for him. For simplicity's sake, we'll put Gotenks and Boo on par with each other, so we have:

SSjin 3 Gotenks >/< Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > Fat Boo > SSjin 3 Goku > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku

Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 495 (DBZ 301), P6.1-3, P7.1-3
Context: after Gotenks blasts Boo with the Rapid-Fire Die-Die Missiles and Piccolo stops him
Gotenks: “Well, whatever. I already did quite a lot, after all. He should be pretty weakened.”
*Boo comes out*
Gotenks: “…He ain’t weakened…This really pisses me off!”
Piccolo: “N-no…He is weakened…I don’t know about physically, but he’s weakened a little mentally…! Th-this is the first time…that he’s fought someone strong like you…He’s feeling flustered by someone whose strength is at least on par with his own…”
Gotenks: “Dehhehheh! So in other words, Majin Boo’s freaked out, huh!? That’s right! My strength ain’t half-assed! I’m the best in the universe!”
Piccolo: “Don’t let your guard down! He’ll be coming at you frantically now…!”
Gotenks: “Dahhahhah, that’s problem, no problem at all! That’s just what I was hoping for!”

Chapter: 499 (DBZ 305), P12.2-4
Gohan: “…That was dirty, you bastard…You ingested the two of them into yourself…”
Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…”

9. Gohan, his potential freshly released thanks to Elder Kaioshin, ends up whooping Boo's candy ***** all over the tri-state area, so Boo self-destructs and the fun begins, giving us this:

Ultimate Gohan > SSjin 3 Gotenks >/< Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > Fat Boo > SSjin 3 Goku > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku

Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P1.3, P2.4
Context: after Gohan beats up on Boo
Gohan: “You can’t win…”
[ ]
Gohan: “I see…So you tried testing your power just to be sure, and I really was above you…That’s too bad, Majin Boo.”

Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P3.2
Context: Boo says he’ll kill Gohan
Gohan: “You’re the one who should best know just how impossible that is…”

Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P7.4
Context: after Boo disappears
Trunks: “Even if he really is still alive, it doesn’t matter! That jerk was helpless against Gohan!”

10. Boo absorbs SSjin 3 Gotenks and Piccolo to become Gotenks-Boo, and proves himself quite superior to Gohan, so much so that Gohan resorts to stalling in a cave until the Fusion runs out. Another important tidbit is that he states himself to be the most powerful Boo to date. We now have this:

Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > SSjin 3 Gotenks >/< Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > Fat Boo > SSjin 3 Goku > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku

Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 499 (DBZ 305), P11.1
Boo: “…What do you think, Gohan? My strategy succeeded safely. Look, isn’t it magnificent? This is a moment that will never appear again, no matter what the future may hold: the birth of the strongest majin.”

Chapter: 500 (DBZ 306), P6.4, P7.1
Context: after Gohan and Boo fight a bit
Boo: “What’s the matter? You’re erasing your ki and hiding in a place like that…Are you trying to stall for time? Meaning that just from that you seem to have realized…That like this, you’re absolutely no match for me…”

Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P5.5
Context: Elder Kaioshin warning Goku about recklessly going to rescue Gohan from Gotenks-absorbed Boo
Elder Kaioshin: “I hate to say it, but I don’t think you could win against this current Majin Boo even if the two of you went at him together…”

Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P5.6
Boo: “…What, did you plan on coming to save everyone? You idiot…Can’t you tell that I’m in a fundamentally different dimension than the Majin Boo from back then?”

Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P7.1
Context: talking to Goku after knocking out Tenshinhan
Boo: “…That guy just now was apparently quite a master, but he was reduced to that state in just 1 one kick…You’re making some worthless boasts…Frankly, no matter what you try, you absolutely won’t be able to even inflict damage on me.”

11. Gotenks defuses inside Boo (Piccolo-Boo), reducing his power so much that now Gohan can beat him again. We have:

Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Piccolo-Boo >/< SSjin 3 Gotenks >/< Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > Fat Boo > SSjin 3 Goku > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku

Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P10.4-5
Goku: “Hahha—ah! Piccolo’s coming out strong now! Looks like the Fused squirts have returned to normal! You ran out of time! Tooo—oo bad! Your power’s fallen a whole lot. Cheh…I’m a little disappointed. This way, Gohan will be able to beat you even on his own…”

12. Boo absorbs Gohan (Gohan-Boo) and leaves Goku dropping chocolate soldiers all over the battlefield. Once again, Boo states himself to be the most powerful Boo to date, so we get:

Gohan-Boo > Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Piccolo-Boo >/< SSjin 3 Gotenks >/< Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > Fat Boo > SSjin 3 Goku > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku

Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P13.1
Boo: “Fu…fuhahahaha…! This is great! I’ve powered up even more than before! And what’s more, now there’s no time limit!”

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P2.5-6
Context: after Boo absorbs Vegetto
Elder Kaioshin: “…Don’t you think it’s a little strange? …Each time Majin Boo has absorbed a warrior up to now, his power has gone up and his appearance has changed…But this time…”
Kaioshin: “He hasn’t cha-changed…! Wh-what’s that mean!?”
Note: as we soon learn, Vegetto’s barrier prevented him from being truly absorbed.

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P3.5
Context: after Boo ‘absorbs’ Vegetto but nothing happens
Boo: “Hmm…Well, at any rate, I absorbed him. I have now become the strongest majin; without a doubt, there is nobody throughout the various worlds who compares to me…That’s fine…”

13. Goku and Vegeta use the Potara earrings to make Vegetto, who practically crucifies Boo, giving us this:

SSjin Vegetto > Gohan-Boo > Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Piccolo-Boo >/< SSjin 3 Gotenks >/< Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > Fat Boo > SSjin 3 Goku > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku

Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P9.2-3
Context: as Vegetto beats up on Boo
Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely strongest.”

Chapter: 505 (DBZ 311), P1.2
Context: after Vegetto outclasses Boo
Vegetto: “…Well, don’t feel too bad. Even I’m surprised. To think that I’d be able to make this big a fool out of you.”

Chapter: 505 (DBZ 311), P5.2
Context: after Vegetto destroys the Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack
Vegetto: “Did you really think that kind of technique would work on me? A child thought that technique up. You’re pretty desperate, aren’t you?”

Chapter: 505 (DBZ 311), P6.6
Context: Vegetto blocks Boo’s attacks with his legs
Vegetto: “Hey, hey! What’s the matter!? My legs alone are more than enough to deal with the likes of you!”

Chapter: 505 (DBZ 311), P9.5-6
Context: after Boo turns Vegetto into a candy ball, and candy-Vegetto promptly hits him
Vegetto: “Sorry, my bad. Unfortunately for you Boo, it seems that somehow my strength hasn’t changed, despite me turning into this. What will you do? Your opponent is the world’s strongest candy ball! This is bad for you, isn’t it? I’m so small that it’s hard to attack me.”

14. Goku and Vegeta defuse inside Boo. They detach the boys and Piccolo from inside Boo and Vegeta wants to blast his way out, but Goku quickly tells him that they're no match even for normal Evil Boo. Nothing's changed from before, so we still have this:

SSjin Vegetto > Gohan-Boo > Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Piccolo-Boo >/< SSjin 3 Gotenks >/< Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > Fat Boo > SSjin 3 Goku > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku

Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: “Hehhe~~eh! With this, Boo’s power should have fallen significantly! We’re almost there! See, see: the size of his ki is completely different than before!”
Vegeta: “Alright! Let’s blast out of here and escape!”
Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P2.4-5
Context: after evil Boo appears inside his own body
Vegeta: “Da…damn it…! Th-this could be bad…”
Goku: “Di-didn’t I tell ya to wear your Potara?! Th-this is why! If we could just go outside and merge, then this kind of guy would be an easy victory!”

15. They manage to get out of Boo's body after detaching the innocent Boo (Good Boo), which transforms Evil Boo into a buff version of himself (Buff Boo). Goku questions if his Ki is increasing, so we have this:

SSjin Vegetto > Gohan-Boo > Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Buff Boo > Piccolo-Boo >/< SSjin 3 Gotenks >/< Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > Fat Boo > SSjin 3 Goku > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku

Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P13.5
Context: as evil Boo reverts to his South Kaioshin form
Goku: “H-hey…Vegeta…His ki is increasing, ain’t it…!?”

16. Buff Boo continues transforming and reverts to the original Boo, Pure Boo. Vegeta makes a comment on Boo's size, and Goku rejoices that they've "done it," which in context means they've weakened Boo to a level that they can handle without merging. Since they were deciding on who would fight Boo first on the Kai planet, this points to Boo being below even SSjin 2 Vegeta's level; if Boo was emitting power on par with a SSjin 3, I doubt Vegeta would have any qualms letting Goku go first. So we have this:

SSjin Vegetto > Gohan-Boo > Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Buff Boo > Piccolo-Boo >/< SSjin 3 Gotenks >/< Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > Fat Boo > SSjin 3 Goku > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku > Pure Boo

Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P3.4-6
Context: after Boo reverts to his pure form
Goku: “…”
Vegeta: “……Heh…Heheheh…Look! He’s shrunk down quite a bit!”
Goku: “We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something.”
Context: ‘He’s shrunk’ refers to Boo’s body, not his ki.

Chapter: 509 (DBZ 315), P6.8, P7.1-5
Context: after Kaioshin hands Goku his Potara but he refuses it
Goku: “…Like I thought, these…just ain’t suited for us…Even though you went out of your way to hand ‘em over…We want to fight with only our own power. I’m sorry, especially since things are so dangerous now…But he ain’t merged anymore either…“
Elder Kaioshin: “Yo-you idiot! What are you saying?! And at a time like this! It’s not like you gu-guys are in a martial arts match with Boo, you know!”
Vegeta: “…Well said, Kakarot. Just like a true…Saiyan.”
Kaioshins: “…!”
Goku: “It’s alright. I’m tellin’ ya, don’t worry. He can’t come all the way here. We’ll think up some sorta strategy. I feel bad for the aliens who will be sacrificed in the meantime, but we’ll use the dragonballs later…”

Chapter: 509 (DBZ 315), P10.2
Context: as Goku and Vegeta prepare to fight pure Boo
Elder Kaioshin: “Fr-from the looks of it, they don’t intend to perform Fusion either…Shi-*****…! Saiyans are so troublesome…!”

Chapter: 509 (DBZ 315), P11.3
Context: as Goku and Vegeta play rock-paper-scissors to decide who fights Boo
Elder Kaioshin: “Th-those dimwits! Th-they intend to fight one at a time?! They’re not gonna fight together?!”

17. Goku wins the game and faces Boo first. He transforms right to Super Saiyan 3 and a nigh-equal battle unfolds between the two (the anime goes crazy with the filler in this battle). Goku stops for a moment and Vegeta tells him that at full power, he should be able to completely obliterate Boo. Goku says he's been trying but hasn't had the chance yet. He also states he could've beaten Fat Boo but chose not to, giving us this:

SSjin Vegetto > Gohan-Boo > Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Buff Boo > Piccolo-Boo >/< SSjin 3 Gotenks >/< Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > SSjin 3 Goku > Pure Boo > Fat Boo > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku

Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 509 (DBZ 315), P11.4-6
Context: as Goku prepares to fight Boo
Goku: “Alrii~~iight. I’d better go all out right from the start…! If we get done in, then the entire universe will go ‘poof’…”
Vegeta: “Let me see this ‘Super Saiyan 3’ thing with my own eyes…”
Goku: “Is that alright? You just might not get your turn…I can say this now, but the truth is that with that fat Boo, I would have been able to defeat him at the time with Super Saiyan 3…However, I wanted the young guys to manage something…For the Earth’s sake too…”

Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.1-6
Vegeta: “Don’t hesitate for my sake, and finish him off! With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”
Goku: “Ye…yeah…I’ve been thinking of doing that as well since awhile back, but…I haven’t gotten the chance.”
Vegeta: “Eh?”
Goku: “If I want to wipe him out, I gotta gather ki for about one minute.”
Vegeta: “One minute?!”
Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”
Vegeta: “…S …So you weren’t thinking of me…”

18. Goku begins charging up and Vegeta faces Boo, but gets squashed without even hitting Boo once. As Boo is about to hurt Mr. Satan, he stops and spits out Good Boo. The two fight and even though Good Boo quickly becomes a rag doll, he does better and lasts longer than Vegeta did, even considering his regeneration powers which were going down since he was fighting another Boo. This also gives us a good place for Pure Evil Boo (the gray one), since he was stated to be stronger than Good Boo but couldn't be stronger than Fat Boo, giving us this:

SSjin Vegetto > Gohan-Boo > Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Buff Boo > Piccolo-Boo >/< SSjin 3 Gotenks >/< Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > SSjin 3 Goku > Pure Boo > Fat Boo > Pure Evil Boo > Good Boo ~ Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku

Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 485 (DBZ 291), P2.3
Narrator: “Due to his strong anger, the evil portion that Majin Boo had kept inside himself greatly swelled up and became another Majin Boo, who came flying out…In other words, he was divided into a pure evil Majin Boo and an innocent Majin Boo…”

Chapter: 485 (DBZ 291), P7.4
Context: as the two Boos fight
Narrator: “The original Majin Boo had no chance of winning...This was because during the split, the majority of the power went to the evil one…"

Chapter: 512 (DBZ 318), P12.4
Context: after good Boo fights pure Boo a little
Good Boo: “…Uh oh…I kinda can’t win…”

Chapter: 513 (DBZ 319), P6.1
Context: as pure Boo beats up on good Boo
Goku: “Th-this is bad…this way it’s only a matter of time before he’s done in…”

Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P5.3
Context: as pure Boo beats up on good Boo some more
Vegeta: “…This is bad…Have you noticed, Kakarot?...The fatso’s power is falling…If it’s Boo against Boo, then he could take damage…”

Chapter: 515 (DBZ 321), P3.1
Context: as pure Boo continues to beat up on good Boo
Vegeta: “*****…! Th-this is bad! The fat one is on the brink of death…”

19. Goku finally completes the Genki-Dama and fires it, but because of his diminished stamina, Pure Boo is able to hold it back. Once Goku's stamina is restored by Porunga, he's able to push the attack and finish off Boo for good. All in all, we end up with this:

SSjin Vegetto > Gohan-Boo > Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Buff Boo > Piccolo-Boo >/< SSjin 3 Gotenks >/< Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > SSjin 3 Goku > Pure Boo > Fat Boo > Pure Evil Boo > Good Boo ~ Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku

So if you followed along, considered the quotes, and have read the manga and didn't rely on the self-contradicting anime, then this is roughly what you would come up with. Some points people debate, like Base Gotenks' strength post-RoSaT, but overall, most people that use the manga for debates come up with something very similar to this lineup. I'll go even further and address some of the points I know people, particularly Pure Boo > Evil Boo believers, will most likely bring up.

1. Inside Boo, Goku was lying to Vegeta and wanted to fuse because he didn't want to upset Vegeta with Super Saiyan 3, was afraid the strain from the form would weaken him too quickly to win the fight, and was also afraid he would remain the size of a flea. That and he didn't want to fight too hard, so he wanted an easy victory.

Counter-argument
a. While this is somewhat true, Goku wouldn't let himself die just to protect his friend's pride. 7 years prior on the Lookout, he blatantly told Vegeta that he was a lot stronger than him, knowing it would piss him off. Even during the Boo arc, although he didn't use the form in their fight for a few interpretive reasons, it doesn't necessarily mean he was protecting Vegeta's pride. He was trying to get Vegeta to fight alongside him and Gohan under the false pretense that they could win. During the fight with Pure Boo, Vegeta tells Goku to stop messing around and finish Boo off, and Goku basically tells him, "Man, I've been trying, but I haven't gotten the chance", effectively rendering Vegeta's understandably selfish view invalid and proving that Goku would use the form to its fullest if he really had to, despite Vegeta being right there to witness it; Vegeta even says "So he wasn't thinking about me...", backing this up.

Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.1-6
Vegeta: “Don’t hesitate for my sake, and finish him off! With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”
Goku: “Ye…yeah…I’ve been thinking of doing that as well since awhile back, but…I haven’t gotten the chance.”
Vegeta: “Eh?”
Goku: “If I want to wipe him out, I gotta gather ki for about one minute.”
Vegeta: “One minute?!”
Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”
Vegeta: “…S …So you weren’t thinking of me…”

b. Goku had no clue about the strain of the form in a living body until he was well into the fight with Pure Boo.

Chapter: 513 (DBZ 319), P1.2
Context: after Goku drops out of Super Saiyan 3
Goku: “Da-dammit…When I was dead, it was no problem at all…It seems that in the end, becoming a Super Saiyan 3 with a living body eats up an excessive amount of ki…”

c. There's absolutely no indication Goku thought he'd remain small if he left Boo's body. The whole context of the happenings inside Boo was that without any type of fusion, they were doomed. When Goku did try to blast a hole in Boo, he was surprised his power had changed, meaning he had no idea being that small had an effect on him when he stated Boo would kill them without Fusion/Potara.

d. This is really unfounded and has no evidence to back it up. Goku states Boo would kill him even with Vegeta's help as long as they weren't merged.[/b]

2. Gohan's Ki wasn't enough for the Genki-Dama so Pure Boo can't possibly be weaker than Evil Boo.

Counter-argument
a. Gohan didn't donate all of his Ki, shown by how he's not winded like the earthlings. Goten and Trunks didn't fuse into Gotenks or even turn Super Saiyan, so why would Gohan be giving all of his chi? It wouldn't make any sense. The Genki-Dama also collects genki, which is just one part of three of raw ki (I juggle between "chi" and "ki", but it's the same thing), as stated by Toriyama in the SEG: Story Volume.

- Quote:

Q. What's the trick to winning battles [in the DB world]?

A. Toriyama says it all comes down to 'ki', the size of it and the ability to control it. He says it includes several forms: genki, yuuki & shouki (energy, bravery & true character). You can only train your muscles to a certain point, it's 'ki' that carries you beyond that and what helped Goku come closer to being the strongest warrior in the universe.


3. Pure Boo was totally toying around with Goku.

Counter-argument
a. There's nothing to prove this as true. Nothing says Boo wasn't fighting at his fullest against Goku. Why would he slap Vegeta and Good Boo around but fight so evenly with Goku? He's a mindless monster, but even then it still doesn't make sense. He still has instincts, and when you're in trouble, you fight your hardest (usually), which is what Pure Boo did. He was never in any danger with Vegeta or Good Boo, but Goku actually challenged his livelihood.

b. Boo holding back the Genki-Dama is in no way proof that he was stronger than Goku. It's made a point that Goku can't fire the Genki-Dama correctly because of his failing stamina.

4. Both South Kaioshin and Dai Kaioshin weakened Boo, so when they were taken away, Boo returned to his most powerful state.

Counter-argument
a. This is completely false, and most likely brought about by the anime, and Viz's translation doesn't help. In the original Japanese, after Kibitoshin explains Boo's past, Elder Kaioshin ascertains that the he was finally complete and that Pure Boo is the most troublesome one. Kibitoshin then says that the heart he gained by lowering his power through absorption has returned to the way it was. Daizenshuu #7 states that only Dai Kaioshin weakened Boo. Most Pure Boo supporters dismiss the daizenshuu entry as just "guidebook crap," and dismiss the original Japanese translation as just "another fan translation" and say that Viz is the only good translation because it's official. In the Viz translation, Elder Kaioshin states that the "souls [Boo] ate tamed him," which is easy for Pure Boo supporters to say proves that both the Kais weakened Boo. But this isn't so, because even if the Japanese translation is translated by a fan, it's a direct translation, and not an "adaptation" like the Viz translation, so it is more accurate, whether the Pure Boo supporters want to accept that or not.

5. Kibitoshin states Pure Boo is the most powerful Boo, so it's true.

Counter-argument
a. This is a case of people taking the anime's word over the manga's. In the anime, Kibitoshin, Goku, and the narrator all state Pure Boo is the strongest, at least in the original Japanese version. Of course in the manga, nobody says this because Boo is just the most troublesome one there. With the anime, trying to make Pure Boo the strongest leads to a lot of headaches. In the manga, it's very simple to place Pure Boo without having to twist statements around.

b. Gotenks-Boo states he is the most powerful Majin to date. He has memories of his past, so it'd be a foolish mistake to say he doesn't remember being Pure Boo. Gohan-Boo also states he has become the strongest Majin, so both of them are stronger than Pure Boo by their own admission.

6. Goku was going to help Gohan fight Gotenks-Boo, so he has to be stronger than Evil Boo at the least.

Counter-argument
a. Goku acted recklessly because his son was in danger. Elder Kaioshin tells him that he can't beat Boo even if he and Gohan fought together, and Goku admits he's right, and then brings up Fusion as an option.

Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P5.5
Context: Elder Kaioshin warning Goku about recklessly going to rescue Gohan from Gotenks-absorbed Boo
Elder Kaioshin: “I hate to say it, but I don’t think you could win against this current Majin Boo even if the two of you went at him together…”

Vizbig, vol.9, pg.216
Goku: "Then I'm off!"
Elder Kaioshin: "Son Goku! Wait!!"
Goku: "Huh?!"
Elder Kaioshin: "How do you plan to beat Boo? I don't think the two of you together could do it."
Goku: "...Uh...um...uh...I know!! Fusion!! Gohan and I will fuse!!"

7. Goku fought Gotenks-Boo and did better than Gohan.

Counter-argument
a. This is anime filler. Goku never fought Gotenks-Boo in the manga, and was sweating when Boo charged him. Even in the anime, Goku couldn't get a single hit on Boo except for one Ki blast when Boo was distracted, while Gohan was able to fight evenly with Boo in the beginning of their fight.

8. Goku is stronger than Gotenks so he has to be stronger than Evil Boo. Toriyama even said it in an interview!

Counter-argument
a. First off, Toriyama never said such a thing. That was a fake interview made up by some fan. Any Japanese fan will tell you how fake that interview is.

b. Goku states Gotenks would be stronger than him and it's never contradicted, so it remains true. Even if Goku was stronger than Gotenks, Gotenks trained in the Room of Spirit and Time and grew immensely stronger, and would have undoubtedly surpassed Goku in power.

9. Goku wanted to bring both Gohan and Gotenks to fight Boo, so obviously he didn't think just Gohan could do it.

Counter-argument
a. It was more of a first-thought thing; he's stating ideas off the top of his head. Listing them both was more of a precaution in case one got absorbed again.

10. Vegeta states that Goku is the only one that can fight Pure Boo, so that must mean Goku and Pure Boo are the strongest ever.

Counter-argument
a. Vegeta does say this, but the context shouldn't be ignored. He'd never seen or sensed Gotenks and Gohan, so he wouldn't know how powerful they are.

b. If you take Vegeta's comment at face value and ignore context, that would mean SSjin 3 Goku and Pure Boo are stronger than SSjin Vegetto, which defies the entire point of Goku needing to fuse with Vegeta.

11. After the final battle, Vegeta asks Goku what they would do if Good Boo spit out another "one of those monsters", and Goku says they would train hard so they can't be beat. This must mean Pure Boo was stronger than all of them.

Counter-argument
a. In reality, Vegeta asked what they'd do if Boo birthed another "evil Boo" (Viz changes it to the monster line), who the English-speaking community knows as Super Boo. Gohan fought Super Boo and technically lost because he was absorbed, so what would stop that from happening a second time? That's something Vegeta didn't want happening again, since he wouldn't fuse with Goku again.

12. Goku was telling a white lie about Gotenks to give everybody false hope. Gotenks isn't stronger than Goku or Boo.

Counter-argument
a. This is a common excuse to keep Goku ahead of Gotenks, but it falls apart quickly. Why would Goku leave the fate of the entire universe in someone weaker than Boo? He might not make the smartest decisions sometimes, but he would never purposefully doom the entire universe. You might bring up his decision not to kill Fat Boo in response to that, but remember he had Gotenks as a backup plan.

b. Piccolo, who knew SSjin 3 Goku's power and Fat Boo's power, had no problem allowing SSjin Gotenks to fight Boo. As brought up above, he only ever feared for Gotenks' safety when Gotenks had 1 minute left to fight.

c. Piccolo never denied that SSjin Gotenks was exactly what Goku said he would be. He was even impressed, implying he had doubts but then they were erased by Gotenks' actual power.

13. Goku wanted the boys to use the Room of Spirit and Time in order to be powerful enough to beat Fat Boo.

Counter-argument
a. Another common excuse for Gotenks detractors. This is easily countered by the fact that Goku specifically told Piccolo not to use the RoSaT. He said the boys would be powerful enough without it, and that the RoSaT should be saved for an emergency later down the road.

14. Piccolo told the boys to train for the 1 day they had left. He wanted them to use the RoSaT. He obviously didn't think they could beat Boo.

Counter-argument
a. What was he supposed to do? Let them lounge around doing nothing? Training even for a little bit would still benefit the Fusion. And again, he was told not to use the RoSaT, so he wasn't going to do that.

15. Goku said using the boys was a gamble, so that means he really wasn't sure Gotenks would be strong enough.

Counter-argument
a. His "gamble" comment wasn't about Gotenks' power. It was in direct reference to the boys being able to actually get the job done. They had never fought a serious battle before, and suddenly they held the fate of the universe in their hands. They were little kids, so of course their mental stability in the given situation would be called into question. Plus, they had to learn the Fusion Dance in two days, which was tricky.

[RandomGuy96]

The grand Kai also insisted on fusion in beating Purebuu - and in the anime the call him the strongest of Buus many times.

Ignoring that the anime is meaningless, you do know that that would make him stronger than Buuhan, right? And probably stronger than Super Vegetto as well?

[Herms]

The grand Kai also insisted on fusion in beating Purebuu - and in the anime the call him the strongest of Buus many times.

Ignoring that the anime is meaningless, you do know that that would make him stronger than Buuhan, right? And probably stronger than Super Vegetto as well?

When did that happen, anyway? I don't remember that at all.

[TheGmGoken]

And Goku doesn't feel it'd be fair to use fusion against Kid Boo because he's "no longer merged" and fighting with his own power.

So, Goku thinks it's more fair to fight one of the strongest forms of Boo without Potara, but would rather not chance fighting the weaker Super Boo without fusion. Yeah.

Who says PureBuu is weaker? Superbuu almost beggs for them not to revert him to KidBuu. At which point Kaioshinn points out that he's actually stronger than before because the lack of Kai influence. The guidebooks I think even allude to PureBuu being the strongest of all the Buus (exception of Gotenks/Gohan Buu of course)

When did Kaioshin in the MANGA say that. Give me a direct quote.

[Zantetsuken]

Again, this doesn't explain Goku's excitment to fight someone new and strong. We don't know if Gohan's been training or not - but you are Assuming (a big stretch at this point) that Goku doesn't want to fight someone that strong? Come on.

A big stretch? Maybe Goku wants to fight someone who actually likes to fight. Look how excited Oob is when Goku takes him away. Tell me when have Gohan showed that emotion for fighting. The real question is. Why the fuck did Goku just forget that Vegeta is his rival?

I just assume Goku is just stronger, it's easier than fabricating a story about what happened off screen for 10 years.

Because he's the strongest.

No. Everyone loves when Goku there because when Goku there nothing ever ends badly. However when Gohan is there we got Trunks dying and Goku dying

Uh......

It wasn't filler. Buu threaten to destory the Earth as GotenksBuu, Goku arrived and cut him in half. He did the same thing again after absorbing Veggetto. I have the Managa and I've watched the anime, that part is in both of them.

GotenksBoo? You said GohanBoo. They aren't the same person. GohanBoo after eating Vegetto took off his clothes and mentioned that something wasn't right.

He was going to blow up the world. I have the manga, don't make me double check.

I think Goku would realize he's pretty small, considering he's inside of Buu. Like I said, this one is open to what you want to believe, but I think this portion is later clarified with Buu's statements and with Goku fighting Kidbuu later on.

As DarkPrince410 said:

He insisted that fusion between him and Vegeta was the only way for them to defeat Evil Buu, and went so far as to berate Vegeta multiple times for having destroyed his Potara. Since he knows the Potaras don't work inside Buu's body due to the atmosphere within him, that means that he felt fusion was the only way they could defeat Evil Buu after they left his body and regained their normal size. Since you've been one to support the anime's views as well as the manga's, Goku establishes in the anime quite clearly that he believes they'd regain their size upon leaving Buu's body, which means that any notion of Goku's comment about not being able to defeat Evil Buu after they left his body being related to his small size is incorrect.

To summarize:

Goku and Vegeta would lose if they fought normal Evil Buu as he is now
Goku establishes that fusion is their only way to win, bringing up the Potaras as well
Potaras don't work inside Buu, so Goku's first comment is about them leaving Buu's body
Anime establishes that Goku knows that when they leave Buu's body, they'll regain their size
As such, Goku and Vegeta with their bodies and ki restored to normal would lose against normal Evil Buu.

Already adressed this - we later find out Goku is even more powerful than what he orginally let on. Purebuu is stated by Kaioshinn to be stronger than SuperBuu and we have Vegeta commenting that Goku was stronger than he imagined. He even goes on to state that Goku is indeed strong enough to beat PureBuu (to which Goku agrees)

Well...it's the assisting Guide. Are we going to pick and choose what we want to believe because it doesn't tell the story WE want it to tell? It's not contridicting the manga at all, it's clarifing it.

There is also an assisting guide that said Boo Arc SSJ Goku is equal to SSJ Goku from Freeza arc. For the last time. If it was the story I wanted to tell then Vegeta would be the strongest. Anyways I take anything from Daizenshuu that DOESN'T contradict manga

I haven't seen that, but like many thing on here, I wouldn't be surprised it people were misquoting it. And once more, this doesn't contridict the manga at all, it compliments it. It's just you who doesn't agree with it.

[Zantetsuken]

The grand Kai also insisted on fusion in beating Purebuu - and in the anime the call him the strongest of Buus many times.

Ignoring that the anime is meaningless, you do know that that would make him stronger than Buuhan, right? And probably stronger than Super Vegetto as well?

When did that happen, anyway? I don't remember that at all.

Probably the funimation dub, but I thought someone posted a picture on Kaioshinns comment on Kidbuu being the strongest?

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Who says PureBuu is weaker?

Goku would rather handle Kid Boo without the Potara now that he (Boo) is no longer powered-up by any absorption's. With that, I'd like to think Boo, more often than not (Fat man was obviously weaker), tends to be more powerful with someone absorbed.

Superbuu almost beggs for them not to revert him to KidBuu.

Because he wanted to continue being rational.

At which point Kaioshinn points out that he's actually stronger than before because the lack of Kai influence.

The lack of Dai Kaioshin's influence. Last I checked, his power was stated to be going up when he entered a Kaioshin related form. Boo's absorption of the other Kaioshin neither calmed him down or made him weaker. It's stated that Dai Kaioshin was the one who had a noticeable effect on Boo.

The guidebooks I think even allude to PureBuu being the strongest of all the Buus (exception of Gotenks/Gohan Buu of course)

Why make an exception for those 2 and not Super, though? If he's said to be the strongest of all the Boo's in one of the guides, wouldn't it mean just that?

[RandomGuy96]

When did that happen, anyway? I don't remember that at all.

As far as I know, it happens twice:

The anime changes Kaiosin's quote, adding "strongest" on top of the quote that originally only called Pure Buu the most dangerous.

Goku states that Pure Buu is on a "whole different level from all the Buus up 'till now" in their fight.

[TheGmGoken]

He was going to blow up the world. I have the manga, don't make me double check.

In your original post you said GOHANBOO. Then you changed it to Gotenks Boo. Lastly when "GohanBoo" was about to blow up the world you said he ate Vegetto correct? That's NOT the same as randomly blowing up the planet. Boo already fought by then. And he THOUGHT he won. Pure Boo comes out and the first thing he does is blows up the world.

I just assume Goku is just stronger, it's easier than fabricating a story about what happened off screen for 10 years.

Fabricating? The kids doesn't like fighting as much as Goku. Gohan already stopped training post Cell games. Don't know how that's fabricating.......

Already adressed this - we later find out Goku is even more powerful than what he orginally let on. Purebuu is stated by Kaioshinn to be stronger than SuperBuu and we have Vegeta commenting that Goku was stronger than he imagined. He even goes on to state that Goku is indeed strong enough to beat PureBuu (to which Goku agrees)

Direct quote for the Kaioshin FROM THE MANGA. Goku said he could beat the Fat Boo that's all. Why did he say "Fat Boo" instead of you know..that Tall Muscle Boo? Explain that? He could easily said "I Could have beaten him earlier but I wanted the kids to do it" instead of "I could have beaten him back when he was FAT but I wanted the kids to do it"

I haven't seen that, but like many thing on here, I wouldn't be surprised it people were misquoting it. And once more, this doesn't contridict the manga at all, it compliments it. It's just you who doesn't agree with it.

It's NOT just me. It many others. People aren't mis quoting it. Here is the quote:

An old magazine had someone ask a "DB Professor" to explain the kiri system. He said that, since SS Goku had a power level of 150,000,000, and the kiri system gave him a rating of 3,000, then 1 kiri = 50,000 BP units. He was basically saying that SS Goku (Buu Saga) = SS Goku (Freeza Saga).

Probably the funimation dub, but I thought someone posted a picture on Kaioshinns comment on Kidbuu being the strongest?

Don't use a dub as a debate source. Goku said Pure Boo was the strongest in the anime

[Zantetsuken]

"When I participated in the meetings, there was already talk of, “we’d like to come out with a being surpassing Super Saiyan 3. It would be a Super Saiyan God”.
— Yūsuke Watanabe, GetNavi May 2013 Issue (read full interview--> http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... taff-talk/

[TheGmGoken]

"When I participated in the meetings, there was already talk of, “we’d like to come out with a being surpassing Super Saiyan 3. It would be a Super Saiyan God”.
— Yūsuke Watanabe, GetNavi May 2013 Issue (read full interview--> http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... taff-talk/

What does that have to do with anything? There is NOTHING(Until SSG) stronger than SSj3. Mystic is NOT a SSJ form(And to be fair they forgot about the form anyways).

[Darkprince410]

The grand Kai also insisted on fusion in beating Purebuu - and in the anime the call him the strongest of Buus many times.

Even disregarding what's said in the anime, the fact still remains that Goku's insistence on fusing to defeat Evil Buu takes into account the impossibility of using it inside Buu's body, meaning that he still knew they'd need to fuse upon leaving his body.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. I'll disregard all comments in the anime that have no manga counterpart, because it doesn't change the fact that Evil Buu is stronger than Pure Buu, but given that you do support what is said in the anime, then there's an inherent contradiction that forms. Going by everything said in the anime, you get this.

Evil Buu > Goku and Vegeta (Goku says they'll lose even if they leave and regain their size).
Pure Buu > Gohan Buu (Going by Kibitoshin and Goku's statements)
Goku > Pure Buu (Goku's statement about needing one minute to win).
Gohan Buu > Evil Buu (do I need to say anything?)

Results in

Goku > Pure Buu > Gohan Buu > Evil Buu > Goku > Pure Buu > Gohan Buu and so on and so forth. It forms an impossibility that can't be countered by what's established in the anime.

Going by what's purely in the manga, you still have a situation of Goku establishing that they'd need fusion of some form upon leaving Buu's body, and with no indication or hint that they'd remain small after leaving, that still means that he knows he'd lose against Evil Buu, even with Vegeta's help.

There has yet to be a single piece of evidence supporting Pure Buu being stronger that can't easily be refuted, while there isn't a single piece of evidence supporting Evil Buu being stronger that can be refuted.

Who says PureBuu is weaker? Superbuu almost beggs for them not to revert him to KidBuu. At which point Kaioshinn points out that he's actually stronger than before because the lack of Kai influence. The guidebooks I think even allude to PureBuu being the strongest of all the Buus (exception of Gotenks/Gohan Buu of course)

He begs for them not to remove Mr. Buu within him because he'd cease being himself anymore. His thoughts, his memories, his mind would be gone, replaced by a being of almost pure instinct rather than any true semblance of coherent thought. If anything, him not wanting them to revert him to Pure Buu could be seen as proof that Evil Buu is stronger, as he wouldn't want them to do anything that would make him weaker, so if, as you believe, his begging for them to not remove Mr. Buu was due to the change in strength that would occur, then it's more logical to assume that removing it would make him weaker, not stronger.

All Kaioushin's statement said is that he no longer has the heart in him that reduced his power from before. Dai Kaioushin didn't reduce Pure Buu's power, but South Kaioushin Buu's power, as he had grown significantly stronger after absorbing the South Kaioushin. When Buu absorbed the Dai Kaioushin, his influence was the most prevalent, which is why Buu's power diminished so much from South Kaioushin Buu's, though he was still pulling in strength from both South and Pure Buu as well. When the Pure Evil Buu absorbed Mr. Buu, his ki was rearranged to where that influence from the Dai Kaioushin was far less prevalent, allowing him to tap in to far more of South Kaioushin Buu's strength than he could before.

This is why when we see Evil Buu reverting down to Pure Buu, there's the battle power spike from him losing Dai Kaioushin's influence (reverting him to Kaioushin Buu), and then the significant power drop when he reverted to Pure Buu.

[Zantetsuken]

The lack of Dai Kaioshin's influence. Last I checked, his power was stated to be going up when he entered a Kaioshin related form. Boo's absorption of the other Kaioshin neither calmed him down or made him weaker. It's stated that Dai Kaioshin was the one who had a noticeable effect on Boo.

Why make an exception for those 2 and not Super, though? If he's said to be the strongest of all the Boo's in one of the guides, wouldn't it mean just that?

We don't know anything about the South Kaioshinn and his effect on Buu's power. We just know his power went up according to 2 different statements from 2 different characters at 2 different times. There is no statement saying his power dropped again. The anime (as random pointed out) also has an additional comment from Goku about Kidbuu/PureBuu being the most powerful of them all.

"When I participated in the meetings, there was already talk of, “we’d like to come out with a being surpassing Super Saiyan 3. It would be a Super Saiyan God”.
— Yūsuke Watanabe, GetNavi May 2013 Issue (read full interview--> http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... taff-talk/

What does that have to do with anything? There is NOTHING(Until SSG) stronger than SSj3. Mystic is NOT a SSJ form(And to be fair they forgot about the form anyways).

We'll SSJ3 Goku is (in my belief) the strongest, we'd need to see something stronger. If Gohan was meant to be stronger than Goku, wouldn't this statement relfect that, as everyone assumes that Gohan is the strongest of all.

He was going to blow up the world. I have the manga, don't make me double check.

In your original post you said GOHANBOO. Then you changed it to Gotenks Boo. Lastly when "GohanBoo" was about to blow up the world you said he ate Vegetto correct? That's NOT the same as randomly blowing up the planet. Boo already fought by then. And he THOUGHT he won. Pure Boo comes out and the first thing he does is blows up the world.

I just assume Goku is just stronger, it's easier than fabricating a story about what happened off screen for 10 years.

Fabricating? The kids doesn't like fighting as much as Goku. Gohan already stopped training post Cell games. Don't know how that's fabricating.......

Already adressed this - we later find out Goku is even more powerful than what he orginally let on. Purebuu is stated by Kaioshinn to be stronger than SuperBuu and we have Vegeta commenting that Goku was stronger than he imagined. He even goes on to state that Goku is indeed strong enough to beat PureBuu (to which Goku agrees)

Direct quote for the Kaioshin FROM THE MANGA. Goku said he could beat the Fat Boo that's all. Why did he say "Fat Boo" instead of you know..that Tall Muscle Boo? Explain that? He could easily said "I Could have beaten him earlier but I wanted the kids to do it" instead of "I could have beaten him back when he was FAT but I wanted the kids to do it"

I haven't seen that, but like many thing on here, I wouldn't be surprised it people were misquoting it. And once more, this doesn't contridict the manga at all, it compliments it. It's just you who doesn't agree with it.

It's NOT just me. It many others. People aren't mis quoting it. Here is the quote:

An old magazine had someone ask a "DB Professor" to explain the kiri system. He said that, since SS Goku had a power level of 150,000,000, and the kiri system gave him a rating of 3,000, then 1 kiri = 50,000 BP units. He was basically saying that SS Goku (Buu Saga) = SS Goku (Freeza Saga).

Probably the funimation dub, but I thought someone posted a picture on Kaioshinns comment on Kidbuu being the strongest?

Don't use a dub as a debate source. Goku said Pure Boo was the strongest in the anime

Don't use your opinion and fan theories as a source, it's less credible than the dub (which I like). That said, in the manga, Gotenksbuu does try to destroy the world until Goku stops him (I mistakenly said GohanBuu - whatever ) And GohanBuu attempts to do the same after he absorbs Vegetto he takes off his shirt and attempts to do it again. KidBuu actually suceeds in doing this after his first attempt was stopped by Gohan.

As for fabricating why Goku wouldn't spar with Gohan or Goten durning that time is just that. We don't know what happened, but we do know that Goku likes to train and seek out strong opponents, why not Gohan?

In regards to the comment in the manga, Goku says what he says. FatBuu was the only Buu he really fought up to that point (excluding GohanBuu as Vegito.) I can't comment much on the DB professor comment, as I haven't seen it nor have I've seen the context which it was asked (IE, "here's an exampe of how it would work")

[TheGmGoken]

Don't use your opinion and fan theories as a source, it's less credible than the dub (which I like). That said, in the manga, Gotenksbuu does try to destroy the world until Goku stops him (I mistakenly said GohanBuu - whatever ) And GohanBuu attempts to do the same after he absorbs Vegetto he takes off his shirt and attempts to do it again. KidBuu actually suceeds in doing this after his first attempt was stopped by Gohan.

*Sigh*. I said my OPINION is that Vegeta and Goku should be the strongest. I don't even agree with how Boo arc turns out. I went to the manga. Pull FACTS from there. Not a fan theory. It came STRAIGHT from the manga. Just cause you like a dub doesn't make it a good source. Pure Boo first attempt isn't stopped by Gohan. So just because Pure Boo destroyed Earth makes him the strongest? Can't argue with that logic

We'll SSJ3 Goku is (in my belief) the strongest, we'd need to see something stronger. If Gohan was meant to be stronger than Goku, wouldn't this statement relfect that, as everyone assumes that Gohan is the strongest of all.

No the statement would't reflect that because Gohan mystic state ain't a SSJ form. SSj3 is a SSJ form and they needed a new SSJ form. So SSJG. Simple.

As for fabricating why Goku wouldn't spar with Gohan or Goten durning that time is just that. We don't know what happened, but we do know that Goku likes to train and seek out strong opponents, why not Gohan?

Gohan DOESN'T like fighting. Why would Goku force his son to fight unless he is needed. I'm sure Goku would want to fight someone who LIKES to Fight.

In all honesty we should just agree to disagree since we just going around circles.

[Zantetsuken]

The grand Kai also insisted on fusion in beating Purebuu - and in the anime the call him the strongest of Buus many times.

Even disregarding what's said in the anime, the fact still remains that Goku's insistence on fusing to defeat Evil Buu takes into account the impossibility of using it inside Buu's body, meaning that he still knew they'd need to fuse upon leaving his body.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. I'll disregard all comments in the anime that have no manga counterpart, because it doesn't change the fact that Evil Buu is stronger than Pure Buu, but given that you do support what is said in the anime, then there's an inherent contradiction that forms. Going by everything said in the anime, you get this.

Evil Buu > Goku and Vegeta (Goku says they'll lose even if they leave and regain their size).
Pure Buu > Gohan Buu (Going by Kibitoshin and Goku's statements)
Goku > Pure Buu (Goku's statement about needing one minute to win).
Gohan Buu > Evil Buu (do I need to say anything?)

Results in

Goku > Pure Buu > Gohan Buu > Evil Buu > Goku > Pure Buu > Gohan Buu and so on and so forth. It forms an impossibility that can't be countered by what's established in the anime.

Going by what's purely in the manga, you still have a situation of Goku establishing that they'd need fusion of some form upon leaving Buu's body, and with no indication or hint that they'd remain small after leaving, that still means that he knows he'd lose against Evil Buu, even with Vegeta's help.

There has yet to be a single piece of evidence supporting Pure Buu being stronger that can't easily be refuted, while there isn't a single piece of evidence supporting Evil Buu being stronger that can be refuted.

Who says PureBuu is weaker? Superbuu almost beggs for them not to revert him to KidBuu. At which point Kaioshinn points out that he's actually stronger than before because the lack of Kai influence. The guidebooks I think even allude to PureBuu being the strongest of all the Buus (exception of Gotenks/Gohan Buu of course)

He begs for them not to remove Mr. Buu within him because he'd cease being himself anymore. His thoughts, his memories, his mind would be gone, replaced by a being of almost pure instinct rather than any true semblance of coherent thought. If anything, him not wanting them to revert him to Pure Buu could be seen as proof that Evil Buu is stronger, as he wouldn't want them to do anything that would make him weaker, so if, as you believe, his begging for them to not remove Mr. Buu was due to the change in strength that would occur, then it's more logical to assume that removing it would make him weaker, not stronger.

All Kaioushin's statement said is that he no longer has the heart in him that reduced his power from before. Dai Kaioushin didn't reduce Pure Buu's power, but South Kaioushin Buu's power, as he had grown significantly stronger after absorbing the South Kaioushin. When Buu absorbed the Dai Kaioushin, his influence was the most prevalent, which is why Buu's power diminished so much from South Kaioushin Buu's, though he was still pulling in strength from both South and Pure Buu as well. When the Pure Evil Buu absorbed Mr. Buu, his ki was rearranged to where that influence from the Dai Kaioushin was far less prevalent, allowing him to tap in to far more of South Kaioushin Buu's strength than he could before.

This is why when we see Evil Buu reverting down to Pure Buu, there's the battle power spike from him losing Dai Kaioushin's influence (reverting him to Kaioushin Buu), and then the significant power drop when he reverted to Pure Buu.

Nothing indicates that Kidbuu is stupid, it's actually quite the opposite. He's been shown to have immeasurable power, the ability to regerate and the ability to mimi moves by just watching them: Kaioshinns IT and the ability to sense power from the Earth, something even Goku had trouble doing (not able to sense Gohan). He's a brilliant fighter to be honest, and unlike the previous Buus, he destoryed Earth.

[Zantetsuken]

Don't use your opinion and fan theories as a source, it's less credible than the dub (which I like). That said, in the manga, Gotenksbuu does try to destroy the world until Goku stops him (I mistakenly said GohanBuu - whatever ) And GohanBuu attempts to do the same after he absorbs Vegetto he takes off his shirt and attempts to do it again. KidBuu actually suceeds in doing this after his first attempt was stopped by Gohan.

*Sigh*. I said my OPINION is that Vegeta and Goku should be the strongest. I don't even agree with how Boo arc turns out. I went to the manga. Pull FACTS from there. Not a fan theory. It came STRAIGHT from the manga. Just cause you like a dub doesn't make it a good source. Pure Boo first attempt isn't stopped by Gohan. So just because Pure Boo destroyed Earth makes him the strongest? Can't argue with that logic

We'll SSJ3 Goku is (in my belief) the strongest, we'd need to see something stronger. If Gohan was meant to be stronger than Goku, wouldn't this statement relfect that, as everyone assumes that Gohan is the strongest of all.

No the statement would't reflect that because Gohan mystic state ain't a SSJ form. SSj3 is a SSJ form and they needed a new SSJ form. So SSJG. Simple.

As for fabricating why Goku wouldn't spar with Gohan or Goten durning that time is just that. We don't know what happened, but we do know that Goku likes to train and seek out strong opponents, why not Gohan?

Gohan DOESN'T like fighting. Why would Goku force his son to fight unless he is needed. I'm sure Goku would want to fight someone who LIKES to Fight.

In all honesty we should just agree to disagree since we just going around circles.

Stopped by Goku* Stop being picky, you know what I meant.
So the statement should have been "I wanted to create a being that was a match for Gohan Ultimate state" Or something of the sort. Stating that you needed more power than SSJ3 implies there is nothing higher, including Gohan.

And Gohan Obviously liked to fight or he wouldn't have been training for the TB, or playing as the great Sayjin Man. He might not like it as much as Goku, but to say he would never spar with him in 10 years’ time is a crazy thought! I just don't agree. You don't need to build hypothetical situations such as yours if you just accept that I'm correct on this.
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[TheGmGoken]

How does that implies? They was obviouly talking about Ssj forms. Mystic is not a form.

[Zantetsuken]

How does that implies? They was obviouly talking about Ssj forms. Mystic is not a form.

Like I said - if Gohan was the benchmark, they would have stated it. But to have something more powerful than a Sayjin at SSJ3? That's incredible.

[TheGmGoken]

How does that implies? They was obviouly talking about Ssj forms. Mystic is not a form.

Like I said - if Gohan was the benchmark, they would have stated it. But to have something more powerful than a Sayjin at SSJ3? That's incredible.

Goku is the only non fusion SSJ3 and is the main character. They wanted a stronger form for GOKU. Not to mention they Forgot about Mystic