900 Minutes of Uncut Action, DBZ Season 1 Arrives

[ETC123]

Okay, again, I'll raise this point specifically-

Just because it's either A. Cheap or B. uses Daimao's subs does NOT justify it because it's the same as an English dub with Japanese music (abeilt actually relevant)- they were included on previous releases, they are not exclusive to these current releases.

Buying them to get them and hoping they'll fix it is self defeating.

[Goshin]

Yes, I saw your post after I posted mine, you must've done it while I was still typing my response.

Anyways, I disagree with you. I simply want to see episodes of DragonBall that I have not yet seen and actually understand it. That's why i can't go out and buy the DragonBox singles or the Chinese, French, etc releases. Yes, I've picked up some Japanese watching various subs, but it's not to the point where I can understand everything that's going on. And I have seen the series many times over so i do know the plot, but to expect me to just sit there and watch the show where I can only understand about 20% of what they're saying is ludicrois. So for me, purchasing this set for the subs DOES justify me buying it. It doesn't make me as bad as those buying it for the cheapness of the set. After these first 53 episodes come out, then yes I might stop buying them since I own some of the future episodes. But as of right now, I will be buying the second set so I'm able to see the few episodes I haven't watched yet with English subtitles and I may understand what is being said.

[MajinVejitaXV]

Fuck, man. That's pretty heavy. But either way, I'm sure it will be good whenever you get it out. Just make sure to post it on the AOD thread, and maybe even forward it to FUNi themselves.

And why exactly do so many people here have serious hard-ons for the Spanish dub? Of all the things wrong with this set, it being sans Spanish-track is by far the least of it's problems. I can understand wanting the Japanese and English versions, but Spanish? Who cares? (unless you only speak Spanish, of course).

I actually contacted both FUNimation and Steve Franko to see if they had any official comments when I first started writing, but the former declined and the latter didn't reply (though he did read my message, per the receipt I attached). So, they should know it's in development and I will post to confirm it's done both here and there.

As for the actual Spanish dub, I think most wanted to keep it on the sets because it represents the exact opposite of FUNimation's version: a competent, consistent dub. I can understand that, though it would take a back seat to the primary concern which is a quality presentation of the original (and for many, the English) version.

-Corey

[desirecampbell]

Okay, again, I'll raise this point specifically-

Just because it's either A. Cheap or B. uses Daimao's subs does NOT justify it because it's the same as an English dub with Japanese music (abeilt actually relevant)- they were included on previous releases, they are not exclusive to these current releases.

Buying them to get them and hoping they'll fix it is self defeating.

It doesn't justify buying them in your opinion. There's a difference, as you started to point out, between fact and opinion. Fact: the boxset has below standard video, and lacks many of the original series features. Opinion: and because of that, noone could possible find reason to buy it.

You've taken the position that there's absolutely no reason why anyone would want to buy the set, or alternatively, anyone who does want to buy the set is a complete moron who hates Dragon Ball. Well, that's just crazy talk. There are plenty of reasons why someone might want the set. They might be the very reason you don't want it, but again, these are simply opinions. Now, if someone's reasoning for getting the set was "there's no better video available", then they'd be wrong - there is better video available.

An opinion is an opinion is an opinion. As long as it's not based on faulty data, it's just as legitimate as any other.

[ETC123]

Stuff

There is no point in arguing with people who dilly-dally over the issue and do not have the appropriate resolve to fix what is broken. When reasonable things get thrown out because people beleive that their opinion is just as justifiable as anyone elses, despite the fact that it IS affecting the potential enjoyment I could have of the series, then it borders in to an issue, and as far as I see it, there are more valid opinions than others. Don't bother.

[PiccoloDaimao]

I just wrote an email to funimation telling them how great the season 1 package was, and I want the same quality for the rest of the seasons.

[ETC123]

I just wrote an email to funimation telling them how great the season 1 package was, and I want the same quality for the rest of the seasons.

I suppose you lke your ice cream full of cheap sugar and 75% the size of other ice creams, right?

[Kaboom]

I just wrote an email to funimation telling them how great the season 1 package was, and I want the same quality for the rest of the seasons.

...Why?

I hope you're joking just to get a laugh out of pissing ETC123 off; if then, thumbs up. But I own the boxset, but while I sorta like it for what it is, I still know it's not "great," nor would I want them to continue releasing them this way. You won't find me getting uber-zealous on either side of the issue like certain folks are, but still...

[Mr.Piccolo]

I just wrote an email to funimation telling them how great the season 1 package was, and I want the same quality for the rest of the seasons.

I could picture Funimation finally cracking down and agreeing to read one letter from consumers and that was the one..
-Rick

[desirecampbell]

There is no point in arguing with people who dilly-dally over the issue and do not have the appropriate resolve to fix what is broken. When reasonable things get thrown out because people beleive that their opinion is just as justifiable as anyone elses, despite the fact that it IS affecting the potential enjoyment I could have of the series, then it borders in to an issue, and as far as I see it, there are more valid opinions than others. Don't bother.

It affects your enjoyment of the series. Again, that's opinion. Maybe someone else actually likes the widescreen.

Noone's preferences are more valid than anyone else's. The only thing that can be vaunted over others is facts - as I've explained before.

We know your position: you don't like the boxset, you think that it's detrimental to the franchise as a whole. Generally, we all agree - but we differ in the opinion in whether people who buy the set are stupid and are traitors to the series.

[FDLink]

Yes, but the fact is that the people who are buying it, thinking "oh, it won't hurt if I buy it," are undermining any and every effort to get FUNimation to reverse it's decision.

When people whine and complain about something, but buy it anyway, it does NOTHING to help you get what you truly want. It just tells said company that they can get away with whatever the fuck they want, because the fans are too weak-willed and submissive to pressure them to get the damn thing right.

[ETC123]

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You can keep saying "it's your OPINION" till you're blue in the face, but I will continue to think that my opinion is more valid than others, especially those who prefer it in widescreen. Why? The show has been framed for 4:3. It is not made for Widescreen. No where else in the world even CONSIDERED doing the series in Widescreen, let alone executing the idea. You gain nothing due to overscan and if not, you gain stuff that is negligable, over what is actually important. But you know this.

I still maintain that everyone who has caved in to buy the set needs to basically lose one notch of their fandom off and their right to call themselves fans, atleast not to any extreme they may have had, because you're so easily bought out that it's borderline pathetic. I'm done, don't bother replying.

[Ex-Dubbie369]

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You can keep saying "it's your OPINION" till you're blue in the face, but I will continue to think that my opinion is more valid than others, especially those who prefer it in widescreen.

Good to know you think so highly of yourself there. It is sad to see that the North American market of Dragon Ball releases from here on are going to be in this format, but based on what's been happening lately, chances are that this is the crap were going to be getting from here on in North America. I personally have never owned the series until the release of these sets and it is nice to be able to get all these episodes for an extremely good price. I wish that everyone, myself included, could afford Dragon Boxes so we wouldn't have to deal with all of this bullshit being thrown at us lately, but the reality is that many of us can't. These boxed sets are the only way to get a resonably priced, consistent release of the series. Hopefully, one day FUNimation gets it through their thick skulls that this set sucks, but I have my doubts. Until then, I'm going to watch the show that I love, even if it's in a really bad, poorly colored, shitty widescreen, grainy quality version.

[Kaboom]

I'm done, don't bother replying.

Then I gotcha covered this time around, Desire. Seems like a good a time as any to premiere this one...



Seriously. This has gotten pathetic, thanks mostly to you, ETC. Yeah, you may be perfectly right about the boxset. You may be perfectly right about what messages people buying the boxset are going to send to FUNimation. But you know what? When you get personal, develop a high-and-mighty attitude, and generally be an asshole to other people, especially those who may like said boxset for one reason or another, then your credibility drops to zero.

You want facts? Yes, fact is fact and opinion is opinion. But you know what it really comes down to? IT'S A DVD OF A KID'S SHOW. Stop being a douchebag and treating people like they're scum because of their opinions and tastes on it. It's not the end of the damn world if FUNimation releases it in widescreen with bad visual quality and a crappy-scripted dub. Who cares? Folks don't have to buy it if they don't want to. But if they do want to, then it by no means makes them any less a decent person, or deserve to "lose one notch of their fandom," or any B.S. like that.

Apologies to Mike for acting Mod-ish... If I were the one running the forum, there would be banning goin' on up in he-yuh.

[desirecampbell]

You can keep saying "it's your OPINION" till you're blue in the face, but I will continue to think that my opinion is more valid than others

Well, obviously. You are ETC123 - that means you're supposed to make decisions for everyone else.

, especially those who prefer it in widescreen. Why? The show has been framed for 4:3. It is not made for Widescreen. No where else in the world even CONSIDERED doing the series in Widescreen, let alone executing the idea.

Uh huh. We know that. Absolutely noone is saying that the show was intended to be widescreen. In fact, noone here has event hinted at being interested in seeing the series in widescreen. That's such a universally hated thing that it's clear that you're grasping at straws here to make yourself look more reasonable. Noone here likes the widescreen - does that automatically mean that anyone who does like it is a complete retard? Do these people cause cancer too?

You gain nothing due to overscan and if not, you gain stuff that is negligable, over what is actually important. But you know this.

"Importance" is a loaded word. What's important to the scene and what's important to the consumer are potentially very different. Does Joey Smoey really care if the series is cropped? Does he care if the eyecatches are kept in? What about next-episode previews? Yeah, some characters heads are cut off - but that might not matter to some people. You don't get to make the decisions on what is and isn't important to people.

I still maintain that everyone who has caved in to buy the set needs to basically lose one notch of their fandom off and their right to call themselves fans, atleast not to any extreme they may have had, because you're so easily bought out that it's borderline pathetic. I'm done, don't bother replying.

Wow. We're so pathetic we can have decent conversations, and don't think we're god's gift to fandom. Shocking. We should all be like you and impose our beliefs on others, denying them their right to express their opinions. "You don't believe this is the worst thing ever? You're not as good a fan as me". Yeah. Classy.

You, don't have to bother replying. I'd like to continue a discussion on the issue -but I doubt you could suck it up and admit you're a complete jackass, let along stop being acting like that.

[Undercooked Sausage]

Remember everyone. If you enjoyed the season one boxset. You are wrong and not a true DBZ fan.

Maybe I'd agree with this ETC guy if there was some objective scale of fandom to measure people by but unfortunately this is fundamentally impossible.

[TheSonofKakarrot]

I just got done poppin this in my DVD player at home and watching it on my TV for the first time and I must say that I love the video. I was originall watching it on my Toshiba Satellite S6084 and the video quality was ok, but the contrast and such seemed extra high. I'm not a videophile but I'm assuming it looks 80 times better to me on my TV than on my laptop because the Laptop's LCD is much better than my TV which I bought way back in 2000. But either way, the video looks much better to me now even tho its still ok on the laptop. Detail lost is still easily noticable in some scenes regardless of what I'm watching it on.

I understand why people are complaining but I also understand why those settled with the set and why they may like it. My brother came downstairs and saw the video and he was amazed saying it looked much better (finally) because he was so used to the grain and such on the older discs. Its obvious that videophiles are the ones that completely hate the video while those not well educated such as Corey in this field could care less. That shouldnt mean that they are to be criticised. If they like it, then fine. Some of what I see going on here reminds me of Planet Namek forum days when FUNi first released their DBZ DVD's. I thought the discussion up until the last few pages was fine but now it seems fans are being insulted for purchasing the set and thats something I never expected from a forum of his caliber.

[Kaboom]

...now it seems fans are being insulted for purchasing the set and thats something I never expected from a forum of his caliber.

Precisely.

[Kendamu]

...now it seems fans are being insulted for purchasing the set and thats something I never expected from a forum of his caliber.

Precisely.

So it seems that nothing's changed in the past couple of weeks, then.

[Mr.Piccolo]

Let's not let this escalate to another quote war, kids. People can say what they want, doesn't mean that you have to think the same way...
Getting on topic if by any chance, Funimation was to stop these releases and were to do a 4:3 version instead:

-Do you think they would do these 39 episodes again? If so, would you buy it?
-How do you think they'd promote it? Better yet, what would they say about the previous set (the reason they discontinued)?
-Do you think the sets would still cost around $30.00?

By the way, what's the situation with the previous Funi DVDs? Could they go up in value at any point in time. I mean, they are the only R1 bilingual DVDs available to us uncut right? They are 4:3 and for the time being, its the only way to have these episodes this way legit from season three on..
-Rick