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Post by TripleRach » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:19 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:Yes, but, unlike the majority of other anime, DragonBall has huge notoriety and recognition in America.
I don't doubt that it's more recognizable in the US than most other anime, but there's no way it can be compared to the likes of Spiderman or Superman among the general public over here, especially now that it's just not as huge as it was when new episodes were airing on Toonami.

If the "remastered" sets keep selling like crazy, and those numbers manage to catch the eyes of some big Hollywood producer, then I'll eat Toriyama's hat.

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Post by MisterFlashdude » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:37 pm

TripleRach wrote:If the "remastered" sets keep selling like crazy, and those numbers manage to catch the eyes of some big Hollywood producer, then I'll eat Toriyama's hat.
:o Why would you do that to Mr.Toriyama?! I'm sure he payed for his hat and enjoys wearing it! Shame on you, Magikarp girl! Shame!

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Post by SSJmole » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:46 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote: :o Why would you do that to Mr.Toriyama?! I'm sure he payed for his hat and enjoys wearing it! Shame on you, Magikarp girl! Shame!
I have have a friend in japan who knows Toriyama. He told me Toriyama never pays for his hat's.






:lol: I don't really but every site I go on everyone knows someone who knows Toriyama. Image how big his messenger list must be

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Post by Kaboom » Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:01 pm

SSJmole wrote:I have have a friend in japan who knows Toriyama. He told me Toriyama never pays for his hat's.
I'll bet he doesn't, that rapscaliwag.

Anyhoo, my point is that DragonBall Z is quite possibly the biggest anime in America. It IS comparable in terms of recognition to Spidey and Supes. It's too big a franchise, in my humble opinion, to NOT get a live-action movie at some point. When and how I don't know; I just hope it'll be decent. Technology-wise, it's a sure hit, but story wise and (though not expecting complete) faithfulness to the original material, I can only hope and pray.
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Post by SSJmole » Tue May 01, 2007 7:47 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:
SSJmole wrote:I have have a friend in japan who knows Toriyama. He told me Toriyama never pays for his hat's.
I'll bet he doesn't, that rapscaliwag.

Anyhoo, my point is that DragonBall Z is quite possibly the biggest anime in America. It IS comparable in terms of recognition to Spidey and Supes. It's too big a franchise, in my humble opinion, to NOT get a live-action movie at some point. When and how I don't know; I just hope it'll be decent. Technology-wise, it's a sure hit, but story wise and (though not expecting complete) faithfulness to the original material, I can only hope and pray.

Oh yeah I agree that's why I'm for the live action movie.


I hate to say this but I think THE biggest Anime in america would be Pokemon due to the popularity of the games. But dragonball Z is THE best

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Post by gohan2k » Tue May 01, 2007 8:08 am

The fact that Dragonball is a serial and quite a long one at that makes it hard to do and starting at the Dragonball Z part is a definite challenge.

The other problem is what target market to aim the movie at, whether you go for the 10 year olds and the merchandise money and lower the violence in order to get a rating enabling them to see it or go for the older target and remain faithful to the show.

I think in order for the movie to work you have to ground it in reality. This means...

- The animal people of the Dragonball world would be out, and there would be no dinosaurs. This doesn't mean you'd make it our Earth with America, dollars and references to such etc however it would mean you'd not have characters like Oolong or Puar, but then they don't do much in Dragonball Z anyway.
- Krillin would be short but not "midget short" (as said above)
- Tien would have only two eyes (but a third on could appear when fighting)
- The hair wouldn't be so extreme but would still have the bounce that makes it DB style hair (similar to the way Wolverine was done in the X-Men movies)

As for the story the first movie would be the Saiyan saga but beginning with a backstory on the Dragonballs and a flashback to the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai and the fight with Piccolo. It'd end with the end of the fight with Vegeta and Nappa. If succesful the next two films would be based on the Freeza and Android/Cell saga respectively back-to-back with the Freeza saga one probably being a cliffhanger ending. The film series would hopefully end with the Buu saga.

You'd stick mainly with the manga storyline with the occasional addition. If I was doing it I'd have Bulma's hair purple too.

Just a few thoughts I had on the topic...
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gohan2k wrote:The fact that Dragonball is a serial and quite a long one at that makes it hard to do and starting at the Dragonball Z part is a definite challenge.

The other problem is what target market to aim the movie at, whether you go for the 10 year olds and the merchandise money and lower the violence in order to get a rating enabling them to see it or go for the older target and remain faithful to the show.

I think in order for the movie to work you have to ground it in reality. This means...

- The animal people of the Dragonball world would be out, and there would be no dinosaurs. This doesn't mean you'd make it our Earth with America, dollars and references to such etc however it would mean you'd not have characters like Oolong or Puar, but then they don't do much in Dragonball Z anyway.
- Krillin would be short but not "midget short" (as said above)
- Tenshinhan would have only two eyes (but a third on could appear when fighting)
- The hair wouldn't be so extreme but would still have the bounce that makes it DB style hair (similar to the way Wolverine was done in the X-Men movies)

As for the story the first movie would be the Saiyan saga but beginning with a backstory on the Dragonballs and a flashback to the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai and the fight with Piccolo. It'd end with the end of the fight with Vegeta and Nappa. If succesful the next two films would be based on the Freeza and Android/Cell saga respectively back-to-back with the Freeza saga one probably being a cliffhanger ending. The film series would hopefully end with the Buu saga.

You'd stick mainly with the manga storyline with the occasional addition. If I was doing it I'd have Bulma's hair purple too.

Just a few thoughts I had on the topic...
I think we could have anthropomorphic characters and dinosaurs. t's just that they would be kept to a minimal. Puar and Oolong, though, are somewhat main-ish characters and need to be retained.

I think we also need atleast one Dragonball movie. It's more well rounded than Z. It doesn't require as much special special-effects.
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Post by caejones » Tue May 01, 2007 10:20 am

I see no need to remove Tenshinhan's third eye... it seems kind of defining for him at the 22nd budokai.

Whether or not one would start with DB or DBZ depends entirely on what is trying to be accomplished with the project.
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Post by MisterFlashdude » Tue May 01, 2007 12:50 pm

gohan2k wrote:I think in order for the movie to work you have to ground it in reality. This means...

- The animal people of the Dragonball world would be out, and there would be no dinosaurs. This doesn't mean you'd make it our Earth with America, dollars and references to such etc however it would mean you'd not have characters like Oolong or Puar, but then they don't do much in Dragonball Z anyway.
- Krillin would be short but not "midget short" (as said above)
- Tenshinhan would have only two eyes (but a third on could appear when fighting)
- The hair wouldn't be so extreme but would still have the bounce that makes it DB style hair (similar to the way Wolverine was done in the X-Men movies)
Out of curiousity, have you ever seen 'Super Mario Bros' the movie...? :?
If you change too much to make a movie seem more 'realistic', you're just going to kill the charm of the source material.

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Post by Mr.Piccolo » Tue May 01, 2007 12:51 pm

I can see this happening but I just don't want it to. The idea of a live action movie is just too cheezy even with today's standards. The last thing I'd want to see is A list actors being the stars of this movie. I wouldn't want it to be produced in America either.

Yeah Superman, Spider-Man, and the X-Men movies were okay for the most part but those are american comic books. Even though DragonBall started looking like an american story it continued, it still isn't one. My main point is that it would never look good and anytime I hear about it, it makes me think of DB/Z/GT as another tired product being milked in any way possible.
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Post by Dayspring » Tue May 01, 2007 1:09 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:
gohan2k wrote:I think in order for the movie to work you have to ground it in reality. This means...

- The animal people of the Dragonball world would be out, and there would be no dinosaurs. This doesn't mean you'd make it our Earth with America, dollars and references to such etc however it would mean you'd not have characters like Oolong or Puar, but then they don't do much in Dragonball Z anyway.
- Krillin would be short but not "midget short" (as said above)
- Tenshinhan would have only two eyes (but a third on could appear when fighting)
- The hair wouldn't be so extreme but would still have the bounce that makes it DB style hair (similar to the way Wolverine was done in the X-Men movies)
Out of curiousity, have you ever seen 'Super Mario Bros' the movie...? :?
If you change too much to make a movie seem more 'realistic', you're just going to kill the charm of the source material.
You shut your mouth, sir! Super Mario Bros is second only to the awesomeness of the Street Fighter live-action movie! :evil: ( :P )
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Post by SSJmole » Tue May 01, 2007 1:16 pm

gohan2k wrote:The fact that Dragonball is a serial and quite a long one at that makes it hard to do and starting at the Dragonball Z part is a definite challenge.

The other problem is what target market to aim the movie at, whether you go for the 10 year olds and the merchandise money and lower the violence in order to get a rating enabling them to see it or go for the older target and remain faithful to the show.
Harry potter and transformers (coming soon) are both looking more mature but yet kids can see it. look at super hero films e.g spider-man. Him getting his *** handed to him by green goblin and was bleeding. shows hope for a nice mixture of mature but not too mature


gohan2k wrote:I think in order for the movie to work you have to ground it in reality. This means...

- The animal people of the Dragonball world would be out, and there would be no dinosaurs. This doesn't mean you'd make it our Earth with America, dollars and references to such etc however it would mean you'd not have characters like Oolong or Puar, but then they don't do much in Dragonball Z anyway.
- Krillin would be short but not "midget short" (as said above)
- Tenshinhan would have only two eyes (but a third on could appear when fighting)
- The hair wouldn't be so extreme but would still have the bounce that makes it DB style hair (similar to the way Wolverine was done in the X-Men movies)

As for the story the first movie would be the Saiyan saga but beginning with a backstory on the Dragonballs and a flashback to the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai and the fight with Piccolo. It'd end with the end of the fight with Vegeta and Nappa. If succesful the next two films would be based on the Freeza and Android/Cell saga respectively back-to-back with the Freeza saga one probably being a cliffhanger ending. The film series would hopefully end with the Buu saga.

You'd stick mainly with the manga storyline with the occasional addition. If I was doing it I'd have Bulma's hair purple too.

Just a few thoughts I had on the topic...

I agree with this almost 100%

only think i would change was Bulma's hair. I would make it black but with purple higlights/streaks

when future trunks shows up have him wear a dark purple bandana

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Post by Kaboom » Tue May 01, 2007 4:07 pm

  • Disclaimer for you picky, whiny folks out there: The following are just my ideas and opinions. I'm no expert on making movies, and I'm not claiming to be one.
SSJmole wrote:Only thing I would change is Bulma's hair. I would make it black but with purple higlights/streaks.

When future Trunks shows up, have him wear a dark purple bandana.
The blue/purple highlights thing for Bulma is a good idea. Hopefully, though, a series of movies wouldn't go past Freeza, and thus not involve Trunks.

Well, maybe an Androids/Cell would be okay, but I think going to Buu would definitely just be overkill.

But still, that's what I'm talking about. It's all about good adaptation. DragonBall is too crazy and far out there in a bunch of ways to have the movie be 100% reflective of the original material. What with things like talking animals, hair that's either weird colors or massive proportions or only capable of existing in 2D, noseless midgets, etc... But things like this get adapted and altered for movie versions. It's been done before, and it works.

In the Spider-Man movies, for example, they managed to keep Spidey himself's costume very true to the original, but adapted it (by such things as making the raised web pattern) to make it look good and believable in live action. But in the case of the Green Goblin, however, there had to be some changes. There's no way he could have been put in green and purple tights and still been scary or menacing. In the comics, sure. Live action? it's laughable. So they gave him this body armor setup, which they made green and gave him a tribal mask for the goblin face.

That parallels what could/should be done with DragonBall. Nothing wrong with Goku wearing his gi uniform all the time. Very little would need to be changed with that (perhaps just toning the colors down a bit; Who needs TaiyoKen when you're wearing bright orange, eh?), and as for his hair, well, obviously it can't exist as it does in the original, but it doesn't have to. Give it a little bounce or something in either makeup or with CGI, and that's enough. Perhaps just enough to distinguish it from normal human hair. Same thing with Vegeta. Widow's peak, spiked up, but otherwise normal lengths and dimensions. Gohan's half-human, so he can get away with normal human hair. Super Saiyan hair would simply be spiked a bit more, and made to glow gold with CGI.

The humans are, for the most part, easy, though. Yamcha, for example, is just a normal human. Roshi, Chi-Chi, Bulma, and Lunch too. Other, more eccentric human characters, however, would have to have their designs changed a bit. Kuririn would have to have a nose, as normal humans do, and should just be noticeably shorter than the other heroes. I like the idea of Tenshinhan's third eye appearing as a special ability when he powers up, and Chaozu could just... be Tenshinhan's li'l apprentice boy, or... something... Popo can be easily normal-human-ized, too.

But some of the minor, pseudo-human characters don't even have to exist, or at least not in the same form as originally. Puar and Turtle, for example, could just be a normal cat and tortoise, and have quick cameos as Yamcha and Roshi's pets. I can't think of any way Oolong would be needed. In general, the anthropomorphic animals are a no-no if a live-action movie is to be taken seriously. In that case, the King would just be a particularly scruffy-looking, wise old dude. Pilaf... Pilaf would be a midget. If a DragonBall movie is done as the first part of the series, then Pilaf would have to be involved in one form or another, involved with Piccolo.

On the other side of the spectrum, various aliens would be no problem. Turn on an episode of Star Trek or BattleStar Galactica or something, and ogle at what they can do with good makeup these days, even with relatively low-budget TV shows. Though their appearance in terms of physiology and clothing also would have to be adapted slightly to look believable and scary (like Gobby), it would be easy to make Piccolo, Kami, Zarbon, Dodoria, Freeza, and the like, with combos of CGI and good makeup.

Like I said, it's about making sure the movie, both in story and design, is adapted well. Things like this need to be adapted for formats like live-action movies. The reason movies like Super Mario Brothers and Street Fighter are so bad and cheesy is because they DID stay too close the the original material, and weren't adapted well (though trying to do a live-action Mario movie was just plain stupid; even Freeza translates to live-action better than Bowser and the like...).

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Post by Jerseymilk » Tue May 01, 2007 5:32 pm

SSJmole wrote:
only think i would change was Bulma's hair. I would make it black but with purple higlights/streaks
So Buruma should look like a skunk? >.>
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Post by gohan2k » Tue May 01, 2007 6:00 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote: Out of curiousity, have you ever seen 'Super Mario Bros' the movie...? :?
If you change too much to make a movie seem more 'realistic', you're just going to kill the charm of the source material.
Yeah I have, and it was crap. But video games tend not to adapt well into movies anyway. It's not hard to find examples of this.

I was only saying things that I thought necessary that if an audience walked into the movie so they wouldn't be turned off the story because there's animal people walking around or some random dinosaurs. By eliminating those you can appeal to a wide market with those in you'd appeal to kids but lose the adults.

And if they do make this movie they will naturally aim it at a general audience I wish to tell everyone though that if it was me making the movie that I would change the personality of the characters and the general storyline as least amount as possible. Because it's fine the way it is.
SSj Kaboom wrote: But some of the minor, pseudo-human characters don't even have to exist, or at least not in the same form as originally. Puar and Turtle, for example, could just be a normal cat and tortoise, and have quick cameos as Yamcha and Roshi's pets. I can't think of any way Oolong would be needed. In general, the anthropomorphic animals are a no-no if a live-action movie is to be taken seriously. In that case, the King would just be a particularly scruffy-looking, wise old dude. Pilaf... Pilaf would be a midget. If a DragonBall movie is done as the first part of the series, then Pilaf would have to be involved in one form or another, involved with Piccolo.
Yeah, that's what I was going for. It's not like I hate Puar or Oolong it's just they have the two strikes against them in that they are talking animals and as characters they don't do much in Dragonball Z but I like having them make cameos as pets.

The characters and story of Dragonball has made it so popular all over the world and if they make this movie that they stay as true to the source material as reasonably possible then I'm sure it will be a a huge hit. (one rumour suggested that Goku would go Super Saiyan in his fight with Vegeta... :shock: )
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Post by SSJmole » Tue May 01, 2007 6:00 pm

Jerseymilk wrote:
SSJmole wrote:
only think i would change was Bulma's hair. I would make it black but with purple higlights/streaks
So Buruma should look like a skunk? >.>

:lol: no like this

http://www.sillyjokes.co.uk/images/dres ... purple.jpg

(not exactly like that but that was closest to what I had in mind

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Post by caejones » Tue May 01, 2007 6:05 pm

I don't think haircolor is a big deal... I mean, I know people with purple hair (though not the same shade as Trunks, I think...).

Puar and Oolong would depend entirely on when and how the story begins. Think of the first volume of DB and how they are developed, and the whole shapeshifting thing... (Awe, come on... shapeshifting makes cabbits and pig-men... ur... somewhat acceptable... maybe even in a serious way). But indeed they aren't important to the story after Piccolo shows up, and Puar really just serves one character-based scene when Yamcha dies... so what we do with the anthromorphs depends more on how the story is set up.


Though, I have to think that no matter where it starts, so long as it's prior to Freeza, Lunch would have to exist. ^^. Interesting aspect to make sense of...

Ending the movies at Freeza makes sense for the most part; the only real issue would be not getting to see Trunks, but oh well...
... Five minutes doesn't = ten episodes in a movie... five minutes = five minutes or less! Only ten seconds is allowed to be longer than ten seconds...

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Post by SSJmole » Tue May 01, 2007 6:10 pm

caejones wrote:I don't think haircolor is a big deal... I mean, I know people with purple hair (though not the same shade as Trunks, I think...).
Yes but I don't think it's naturally purple



but I would end it at end of Z or cel games (buu adds fusion and stuff I don't think would work in a film)

start at start of Z and have dragonball as an intro like people suggested

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Post by MisterFlashdude » Tue May 01, 2007 6:29 pm

gohan2k wrote:I was only saying things that I thought necessary that if an audience walked into the movie so they wouldn't be turned off the story because there's animal people walking around or some random dinosaurs. By eliminating those you can appeal to a wide market with those in you'd appeal to kids but lose the adults.
But you'd have to ask yourself, do you really think that you'll get more people watching with what you've created after alienating the original audience of the show you're 'adapting'?

Mario sucked because not only did it not appeal to non-fans of Mario, it looked too unsimiliar to the source to appeal to fans who would've enjoyed it if it reminded them of the game. I'm sure when they were 'adapting' the game for a movie, it was one suggestion after another that eventually transformed it from colorful, cheerful Mushroom Kingdom to the post-apocolyptical mutant-lizard world that we got in the movie.

Sure, you can take out a few main characters characters and change the remaining character's appearances and give them new, cooler outfits and change the world the story takes place in, remove events that might've been too 'comical' for your new, dark Dragonball and completely change the tone of the story... (All suggestions already put up here on the thread)
But uh... you might as well just go ahead and change the character name's because I'm sure we'll eventually come to the conclusion that Goku and Vegeta are too Asian-sounding for a wide-spread American release, slap some hip sunglasses on them, and just play the last 20 minutes of the Matrix about 4 times and consider it a feature-length adaption! :lol:

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Post by desirecampbell » Tue May 01, 2007 6:53 pm

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Whoa whoa whoa - is that "an awesome Mach Go Go Go movie" or "a craptacular Speed Racer movie"? Because I will wet my pants for some Go Go Go action.


Er, uh - yeah... Dragonball... live action movie...

"It could be done well - look at Xmen, Spiderman, and that new Superman move!"
I fucking hate the Xmen and Spiderman movies. And Superman Returns was pretty shitty.
The first Batman was pretty good (except that whole 'the Joker killed the Waynes thing') and the first Superman was alright (Christopher Reeves was the best Superman I've ever seen).

What do you want in a DBZ movie? Good effects, good writing, good acting, and (most importantly) a proper story. Name three comic-book movies that didn't utterly rape the source material. All the big movies took whatever interpersonal story arcs there might be and re-wrote, or completely erased them.

-Wolverine doesn't know who Sabertooth is - and vice versa.
-Spiderman's arguous jounery from nerd to reluctant superhero to bagging Mary Jane took all of an hour - and he's still super emo.
-Superman can't even move when kryptonite is near him, but he can apparently still fly around with a chuck lodged in his ribcage.

Does anyone honestly think any live action DBZ movie won't completly fuck up the story, and treat the audience like retards?

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