New Special: Canon or Not?

Zenkai Power · Post by **Zenkai Power** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:24 am

I imagine he was somewhat strong but it was more like his lack of motivation to fight or something that led to his expulsion. Otherwise he'd be sent off when he was a baby. He didn't appear as though he enjoyed the fight like most saiyans, and physically he appears small. So I'd guess he just wasn't a fighter although he may have a relatively high PL (enough not to get sent off as a baby)... he just grew up into what he is and the saiyans sent him away.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:26 am

Well still. Why would he seek out Vegeta, who last time he must've known him, he was a ruthless violent insane power ego maniac. Why would the gentle loving Tarble want to seek him out? And how would he know he was on Earth? I don't know if the Scouters are THAT good.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:27 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:Their race was practically enslaved by Freeza for a very long time before it all came to ahead. They began their "deal" with Freeza a year before Vegeta was born.

Where do you get this from?

Zenkai Power wrote:I imagine he was somewhat strong but it was more like his lack of motivation to fight or something that led to his expulsion. Otherwise he'd be sent off when he was a baby. He didn't appear as though he enjoyed the fight like most saiyans, and physically he appears small. So I'd guess he just wasn't a fighter although he may have a relatively high PL (enough not to get sent off as a baby)... he just grew up into what he is and the saiyans sent him away.

I highly doubt this. Considering Vegeta was between 5-7 when Freeza destroyed the Planet. I doubt Tarble was that old.

TheGreatness25 wrote:Well still. Why would he seek out Vegeta, who last time he must've known him, he was a ruthless violent insane power ego maniac. Why would the gentle loving Tarble want to seek him out? And how would he know he was on Earth? I don't know if the Scouters are THAT good

Hey it's DragonBall. Things don't always make perfect sense. Maybe he just figured his brother. A fellow Saiyan. Would want to destroy one of Freeza's minions to save his brother.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:31 am

The dates come from the official timeline of the series. It's in one of the books. I got it because someone translated it on this site actually (in one of the Threads to correct my theories on character ages). It's been confirmed by others. Since then, I think that this book came out in English.

Zenkai Power · Post by **Zenkai Power** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:32 am

Gozar wrote:
Zenkai Power wrote:I imagine he was somewhat strong but it was more like his lack of motivation to fight or something that led to his expulsion. Otherwise he'd be sent off when he was a baby. He didn't appear as though he enjoyed the fight like most saiyans, and physically he appears small. So I'd guess he just wasn't a fighter although he may have a relatively high PL (enough not to get sent off as a baby)... he just grew up into what he is and the saiyans sent him away.
I highly doubt this. Considering Vegeta was between 5-7 when Freeza destroyed the Planet. I doubt Tarble was that old.

Well you can doubt it all day, you couldn't be no more right than I am. lol. He doesn't have to be 35 for them to decide to banish him.. and we don't know how much younger he actually is... perhaps he just looks a lot younger because of his small stature.

Or yeah, maybe he just decided not to conquer whatever planet he was sent to... I dunno...

All we know is obviously he has settled down with an alien who is possibly from the planet they sent him to... but he still has saiyan armor and a scouter which leads me to believe he might possibly have still carried out his mission but kind of gave up that life after he learned of what happened to his race of people.

Who knows?

And maybe he came to Earth seeking Vegeta because he knows that he and whoever he was with (goku) destroyed Freeza, as he states... and this enemy is as powerful as Freeza sooooooo

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:34 am

Dayspring wrote:Vegeta looked as surprised as anybody that Tarble existed. I take this to mean he figured Tarble for dead.

On the contrary: he knew Tarble had been sent on another planet and doesn't seem surprised to see him alive. He simply wonders why he's here, on Earth.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:35 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:The dates come from the official timeline of the series. It's in one of the books. I got it because someone translated it on this site actually (in one of the Threads to correct my theories on character ages). It's been confirmed by others. Since then, I think that this book came out in English.

I'm sorry. But I don't accept details randomly pussed out of the Daizenshuu. To me they're no different from a Fanfic. Fun to consider, fun to believe for yourself. But not "fact".

Zenkai Power wrote:Or yeah, maybe he just decided not to conquer whatever planet he was sent to... I dunno...

All we know is obviously he has settled down with an alien who is possibly from the planet they sent him to... but he still has saiyan armor and a scouter which leads me to believe he might possibly have still carried out his mission but kind of gave up that life after he learned of what happened to his race of people.

Again. I highly highly doubt this. It just doesn't seem logical that he'd be sent off to conquer a planet at the same time as being practically exiled. If the planet needed to be conquered for Freeza. They would send someone who could do it. (Or face Freeza's wrath)

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:37 am

Gozar wrote:I don't accept details randomly pussed out of the Daizenshuu. To me they're no different from a Fanfic.

*shakes head*

Zenkai Power · Post by **Zenkai Power** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:38 am

So what is your idea then Gozar... for his past? Because honestly....

I just realized I hope they make a special all about Tarble now.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:38 am

The Daizenshuu is an actual book. It's not really fanfic because it has something to do with the series, something officially to do with it. It's like saying, "I am not going to listen to the DVD commentary on the movie because it doesn't prove anything".

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:03 am

Zenkai Power wrote:So what is your idea then Gozar... for his past? Because honestly....

I just realized I hope they make a special all about Tarble now.

Like I've said. Exiled due to low Power Level. It seems logical based upon what Vegeta said.

TheGreatness25 wrote:The Daizenshuu is an actual book. It's not really fanfic because it has something to do with the series, something officially to do with it. It's like saying, "I am not going to listen to the DVD commentary on the movie because it doesn't prove anything".

Unless the commentary is by the creator it doesn't mean anything. It's kind of like what EX said about Schemmel's statements about Goku on the UUE Feature. Schemmel's entitled to his opinions, but he's by no means a concrete person to be giving out details. Considering the Daizenshuu directly contradicts Toriyama at times, I do not accept it as fact. Just fanfiction. People who are not Toriyama cannot just make things up willy-nilly.

Post by **Herms** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:13 am

Toriyama gave his full approval to the daizenshuu. He wrote an introuduction to each one praising the staff, was interviewed for them, and provided background information and his notes on the series. If there's any fanfiction out there that can say the same, I'm unaware of it.

Zenkai Power · Post by **Zenkai Power** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:15 am

Gozar wrote:
I just realized I hope they make a special all about Tarble now.

Like I've said. Exiled due to low Power Level. It seems logical based upon what Vegeta said.
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Now wait a second. I suggested that and somebody acted like he would be too old to be exiled so I mentioned maybe he was sent off as a baby...

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:21 am

Same goes for a lot of canon and movies, but don't let that stop people from denouncing any of it. lol Why does DBZ attract all these fans who feel that if Akira Toriyama didn't draw it, write it, sign it, and translate it himself, that it's crap?

Zenkai Power · Post by **Zenkai Power** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:28 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:Same goes for a lot of canon and movies, but don't let that stop people from denouncing any of it. lol Why does DBZ attract all these fans who feel that if Akira Toriyama didn't draw it, write it, sign it, and translate it himself, that it's crap?

Because he puts the heart into it. He understands it's not just about blowing things up. His style brings something special to it. That's not to say all things not Toriyama are bad. But I didn't say anything about defending just cuz Toriyama had something to do with it... you did.

jda95 · Post by **jda95** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:28 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:Same goes for a lot of canon and movies, but don't let that stop people from denouncing any of it. lol Why does DBZ attract all these fans who feel that if Akira Toriyama didn't draw it, write it, sign it, and translate it himself, that it's crap?

I agree. Toriyama isn't the only person who has created DB what it is.

jda95 · Post by **jda95** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:29 am

Zenkai Power wrote: Because he puts the heart into it. He understands it's not just about blowing things up. His style brings something special to it. That's not to say all things not Toriyama are bad. But I didn't say anything about defending just cuz Toriyama had something to do with it... you did.

The only people that think DB is about explosions is the people from FUNimation and ill-informed fanboys.

Zenkai Power · Post by **Zenkai Power** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:29 am

jda95 wrote:
TheGreatness25 wrote:Same goes for a lot of canon and movies, but don't let that stop people from denouncing any of it. lol Why does DBZ attract all these fans who feel that if Akira Toriyama didn't draw it, write it, sign it, and translate it himself, that it's crap?
I agree. Toriyama isn't the only person who has created DB what it is.

Yeah, he is just the guy who created pretty much the whole thing.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:31 am

Herms wrote:Toriyama gave his full approval to the daizenshuu. He wrote an introuduction to each one praising the staff, was interviewed for them, and provided background information and his notes on the series. If there's any fanfiction out there that can say the same, I'm unaware of it.

I don't believe for a second that he really watched over the Daizenshuu. The man also gave the approval of GT in a letter. So forgive me if I don't buy into the "Toriyama wrote a letter therefore it's canon" theory.

TheGreatness25 wrote:Same goes for a lot of canon and movies, but don't let that stop people from denouncing any of it. lol Why does DBZ attract all these fans who feel that if Akira Toriyama didn't draw it, write it, sign it, and translate it himself, that it's crap?

For the reasons stated above. You know Funimation's not the only ones who have a diluted view of DragonBall. Toei's Movies basically make Kuririn a laughing stock. They change aspects of the characters. DragonBall is not a movie franchise. Toriyama wrote 42 Volumes of Manga cover to cover. Coming up with plot after plot. Quote after quote. This is an entirely different league.

jda95 · Post by **jda95** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:43 am

But does that mean canon ends there?