Toyble DBAF [June 9, 2012] Vol 4 HD release complete

[Ussj Future Trunks]

Thanks for reminding me why AF is so much better than Multiverse!

Pff...how? the plot for Multiverse is much less contrived and the plot twists are cool. Plus it's actually funny. Gogeta jr being > Toyble helps too . Also ignoring Gt is a plus. It means no SSJ5 needed.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Thanks for reminding me why AF is so much better than Multiverse!

Pff...how? the plot for Multiverse is much less contrived and the plot twists are cool. Plus it's actually funny. Gogeta jr being > Toyble helps too . Also ignoring Gt is a plus. It means no SSJ5 needed.

Because AF actually has a story, and doesn't rely on clichés like tournaments and alternate universes. Seriously, what is Multiverse's plot? A gigantic tournament? While it is fun to see all the (weird) match-ups, I have to ask the question: is there a point to it? We're nearly three hundred pages in, and I still don't know.

[Innagadadavida]

Because AF actually has a story, and doesn't rely on clichés like tournaments and alternate universes. Seriously, what is Multiverse's plot? A gigantic tournament? While it is fun to see all the (weird) match-ups, I have to ask the question: is there a point to it? We're nearly three hundred pages in, and I still don't know.

Silly little man. The point is the weird match-ups. If the plot was important we would have had more than one page of exposition.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Silly little man. The point is the weird match-ups. If the plot was important we would have had more than one page of exposition.

Exactly. That just proves that Multiverse's plot is weak. It's just fanwank fight after fanwank fight, and people love it (myself included).


P.S. I'm big were it counts......

[rereboy]

Silly little man. The point is the weird match-ups. If the plot was important we would have had more than one page of exposition.

Exactly. That just proves that Multiverse's plot is weak. It's just fanwank fight after fanwank fight, and people love it (myself included).


P.S. I'm big were it counts......

You are underestimating just how much good plotting is necessary to come up with a satisfactory tournament (of the size of the DBM tournament), since every match will be determined by the ones previously fought and every fight must play itself differently from the others (and even from the ones in the series) to look good, new and entertaining.



As you can see, every match and their order and layout must be fully planned and almost nothing can be left at random to create good and entertaining matches.

And even besides that, we still don`t know who the main villain is, what he is planning, etc, so there are many more plot elements there that we still don`t know about.

DBAF has a good plot but don`t be so quick to dismiss just how much plot planning DBM requires to be good and stay good. Perhaps it even requires more than DBAF since there are so many characters and fights compared to DBAF.

[Rocketman]

And all of that is meaningless because they couldn't lay off the Broly fanwank.

[rereboy]

And all of that is meaningless because they couldn't lay off the Broly fanwank.

Broly has been gone for a while now... He served his purpose on the plot and then he was dispatched to his universe (as he should be). But if you want to reduce DBM to just Broly, then go ahead, even though DBM is much, much bigger than Broly.

[Senzu_Bean]

Because AF actually has a story, and doesn't rely on clichés like tournaments and alternate universes. Seriously, what is Multiverse's plot? A gigantic tournament? While it is fun to see all the (weird) match-ups, I have to ask the question: is there a point to it? We're nearly three hundred pages in, and I still don't know.

Funny you say that considering the best Dragonball arcs are arguably the 22nd and 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. And if a giant cliché is what DBM is then the original was too a giant cliché. The idea of tournaments and alternate universes are straight of the original work.

If you didn't notice DBM is far more about the characters than it was the original story or DBAF is. I'm not here trying to diminish Toyble's work (the artwork is indeed great) but DBAF, so far, is essentially a completely mess. There is barely a story in it. Xicor appears from nowhere and in less than 20 pages everybody is fighting, Gohan goes Super Saiyan 4 for no reason, more fighting in the next 100 pages and all of sudden the guy is down. That is it?! I look at the current pages and I feel I missed 100 pages. There is no material to end the arc yet. It's like the end of the Saiyan arc but with less than half of the material.

Plus it is based on GT for God's Sake. At least it seems Toyble isn't twisted enough to make the characters trying to beat Xicor with birds or church's watches. But still it is GT all over again. Goku is going to return and beat the crap off Xicor with Super Saiyan 5. SUPER SAIYAN 5!!!

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Funny you say that considering the best Dragonball arcs are arguably the 22nd and 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. And if a giant cliché is what DBM is then the original was too a giant cliché. The idea of tournaments and alternate universes are straight of the original work.

But Dragon Ball didn't rely completely on clichés like tournaments. It had other, more original things aswell. Plus, it had a plot.

If you didn't notice DBM is far more about the characters than it was the original story or DBAF is.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but series should have both good characters and story.

There is barely a story in it.

And there is in Multiverse....?

Xicor appears from nowhere and in less than 20 pages everybody is fighting,

I actually agree with you here. I didn't like that at all.

Gohan goes Super Saiyan 4 for no reason,

I'm pretty sure he did it to save the world.

Plus it is based on GT for God's Sake.

I think this is a good thing. It expands on GT's ending, which I thought was somewhat ambiguous to begin with.

Goku is going to return and beat the crap off Xicor with Super Saiyan 5. SUPER SAIYAN 5!!!

We just know he's going to come back to Earth with the ability to transform into a Super Saiyan 5. We don't know if it's actually going to be enough to beat Xicor.

[Senzu_Bean]

But Dragon Ball didn't rely completely on clichés like tournaments. It had other, more original things aswell. Plus, it had a plot.

DBM is supposed to be a new Dragonball arc, not a new Dragonball series. Not to mention DBM is at its beginning. This is like saying the Majin Buu arc doesn't have a plot cause at over 200 pages they are still in the beginning of the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai. And like Salagir said the tournament is just part of the story.

I'm pretty sure he did it to save the world.

Make me wonder why didn't Goku went Super Saiyan 56 against Piccolo Daimao to save the world.

I think this is a good thing. It expands on GT's ending, which I thought was somewhat ambiguous to begin with.

It isn't a good thing. Expanding GT is ALWAYS a bad thing.

We just know he's going to come back to Earth with the ability to transform into a Super Saiyan 5. We don't know if it's actually going to be enough to beat Xicor.

Doesn't matter. Going Super Saiyan 5 is too bad. Heck, going Super Saiyan 4 was bad enough.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

DBM is supposed to be a new Dragonball arc, not a new Dragonball series. Not to mention DBM is at its beginning. This is like saying the Majin Buu arc doesn't have a plot cause at over 200 pages they are still in the beginning of the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai. And like Salagir said the tournament is just part of the story.

Oh, so the tournament is just the start of the story. Well, it's a really slow start then.

Make me wonder why didn't Goku went Super Saiyan 56 against Piccolo Daimao to save the world.

Because he couldn't go Super Saiyan 56. Whereas, Gohan could go Super Saiyan 4.

It isn't a good thing. Expanding GT is ALWAYS a bad thing.

No, that's just your subjective opinion.

Doesn't matter. Going Super Saiyan 5 is too bad. Heck, going Super Saiyan 4 was bad enough.

Why is Super Saiyan 4 bad, and not 3? Super Saiyan 4's design was quiet good.

[Senzu_Bean]

Oh, so the tournament is just the start of the story. Well, it's a really slow start then.

It isn't, at least not compared to other Dragonball arcs. It is AF start that is too abrupt. But let agree to disagree. I'm not willing to come back and forth with this.

[Herms]

This new "AF" doesn't look good at all. First of all, they brought SSJ4 Gohan into the picture? That's terrible to begin with. This new Xicor person looks horrible, the colors of green that are used makes me want to vomit. I understand that they are "Fan Comics" and lot's of hype over the new "SSJ5" !?!?! Well the truth is, it's silly and shouldn't have ever been brought up tbh.

You have to understand that the whole point of Toyble's fan comic is to incorporate the various rumors about AF that have been floating around over the years. That includes SSj5 Goku, SSj4 Gohan, a character named "Xicor" who is the son of Goku and some goddess, Broli being revived again, etc. So yeah, if you don't like any of that than this comic isn't for you. But saying Toyble should ditch that stuff is kinda like saying DB Multiverse should ditch the whole tournament setup. It's been the entire basis of the comic from day one.

[DNA]

And honestly, if AF is going to follow the rumours and fanfics, and following what the Elder Kaioshin said, I'm guessing that Xicor isn't going to be defeated by fighting, but with diplomacy instead; probably becoming a good guy afterwards and then we enter the Dark Goku Arc, or something like that.

[rereboy]

Well, it's a really slow start then.

Excluding the special pages, DBM only has 239 pages so far.

Considering that any normal weeky manga has about 16 pages per chapter (and per week obviously) that means that if DBM was a weekly manga, it would only take it 15 weeks (about 4 months) to release this many pages.

It only feels like its much slower because its taking it much longer to release the same number of pages.

[SephiVA]

Thanks for reminding me why AF is so much better than Multiverse! The font's different to all the other pages, but that doesn't really matter.

It does to me! D:

No offence but, desirecampbell does a cleaner job.

No offense taken. Hence saying that I don't mind if someone uses it or not for whatever reason. I was just inpatient to see it done, so I did it myself.

Thanks for reminding me why AF is so much better than Multiverse!

Pff...how? the plot for Multiverse is much less contrived and the plot twists are cool. Plus it's actually funny. Gogeta jr being > Toyble helps too . Also ignoring Gt is a plus. It means no SSJ5 needed.

Where do I go to read Multiverse, because I've been curious about it myself...(I like GT btw..well...aside from the Black Star DB saga and Baby Saga..both of those can die somewhere, but the rest I mostly liked.)

This new "AF" doesn't look good at all. First of all, they brought SSJ4 Gohan into the picture? That's terrible to begin with.

Actually it kinda makes more sense. Gohan has has the potential to surpass Goku and Vegeta for a long time now, so its about time he was done more justice instead of sidelined like Goten was.

This new Xicor person looks horrible, the colors of green that are used makes me want to vomit. I understand that they are "Fan Comics" and lot's of hype over the new "SSJ5" !?!?! Well the truth is, it's silly and shouldn't have ever been brought up tbh.

Can't argue with you there, difference in opinion though I CAN say SS5 at first thought sounds ridiculous, but it works for the plot and its appearance looks cool to me.

SSJ4 was something I could agree with in a way, but aside from that, I could make my own picture of what may happen later on. It's fun to think that Son Goku fighting in the after life waiting for Vegeta to come by, but it really does need a stopping point; Which is why I'm glad they left GT alone and made it final. I mean seriously, SSJ4 Future Trunks?

While I'd like to see SS4 Trunks, there's no proof AF even will have that..and frankly, it'd make little sense given that he's never had a Tail...same with Goten.

SSJ4 Gohan? SSJ5 Son Goku and Vegeta? SSJ1-3 Raditz?

I doubt Raditz will do all that in Toyable's version..it'd be kinda lame and pointless given the strength level of the others around currently.

That's silly and wrong. We need to look back about how cool it was about the whole "Legend" Super Saiyajin story was brought about. When Son Goku achieved it, it was amazing. It later progressed and was acceptable. Here we got the Dragon Ball adventures, the Dragon Ball Z Super Saiyajin and Goku's after life experience, then Dragon Ball GT, the "Space Adventure." But AF? .. Not canon, and not something I like. It's annoying that I keep hearing people say this is the real deal, and Akira Toriyama made this, bla bla.

That's just fools who don't do there research, I don't see a need to rant about it. Either ignore them or set them straight, not need to rant to us about it, sense we KNOW it wasn't done by the original creator.

Is this a rant? You bet, especially when lots of fans are misinformed by this.


Not trying to be an ass, just posting my opinion on the matter.

And meh, I know, but sounds like your overreacting and need to chill.

And honestly, if AF is going to follow the rumours and fanfics, and following what the Elder Kaioshin said, I'm guessing that Xicor isn't going to be defeated by fighting, but with diplomacy instead; probably becoming a good guy afterwards and then we enter the Dark Goku Arc, or something like that.

Jeez, that'd be a lame way to end it. I feel it'd make more sense (and will likely be) that Xicor goes insane and diplomacy won't work..followed by an epic fight. That'd just be more exciting. MAYBE have what you say happen after that, but then..it'd be too many main characters at once imo. As for the Dark Goku Arc, I still don't get how that's going to work =\
Though Goku turning evil and able to be SS5 WOULD be an awesome temporary villain and a good clear motivation for Vegeta and Broly to have their accentions.

[Necrosaber]

This thread isn't about Multiverse vs AF. If you don't even like the premise of the comic, then why even enter the thread? Really. I don't particularly care for Multiverse, because quite frankly, I think the entire idea is nothing but wank. Do I walk into the Multiverse thread and bitch about the entire premise of the comic? No. I stay away from the thread and respect its followers. I liked DBGT, so this comic is for me.

Simple as that.

[DNA]

Jeez, that'd be a lame way to end it. I feel it'd make more sense (and will likely be) that Xicor goes insane and diplomacy won't work..followed by an epic fight. That'd just be more exciting. MAYBE have what you say happen after that, but then..it'd be too many main characters at once imo. As for the Dark Goku Arc, I still don't get how that's going to work =\
Though Goku turning evil and able to be SS5 WOULD be an awesome temporary villain and a good clear motivation for Vegeta and Broly to have their accentions.

To be quite honest, I didn't think that the whole Xicor plot and Broli coming back and all that stuff would ever work, but guess what, it is working. So maybe he'll find away to make sense of it.
To the extent of my knowledge of AF fanfic, which isn't much, those are the main plot-points, unless I missed something.

This thread isn't about Multiverse vs AF. If you don't even like the premise of the comic, then why even enter the thread? Really. I don't particularly care for Multiverse, because quite frankly, I think the entire idea is nothing but wank. Do I walk into the Multiverse thread and bitch about the entire premise of the comic? No. I stay away from the thread and respect its followers. I liked DBGT, so this comic is for me.

Simple as that.

Amen to that bro. I just wish most people here knew how to respect eachothers opinions. I enjoy Multiverse, but I prefer AF because it has more plot, more story, more happening besides fighting. And it makes sense inside the Dragon Universe, Toyble even goes as far as picking up random things that were established in the canon, like the fact that Yakon can suck light energy, hence, he sucks the Super out of a Saiyan, and using that as a way to recharge the Dragon Balls, genious. His style is so close to Toriyama's that it looks like it was made by the master himself.
Toyble has a reason for Broly to reappear, and even goes as far as to say Goten and Trunks can kick the crap out of him. Multiverse brings Broly and gives us hundreds of pages of Broly fan wanking demonstrating that Broly is an invincible mindless beast. That's one of the main things that drove me away from Multiverse, especially after that Kat vs Kakarotto fiasco, and now he gives us this Mary Sue bullshit that's supposed to be a funny joke. It's not.

Oh well, look at me, ranting. Sorry about that, but it's my opinion on the matter only. To whoever's still enjoying Multiverse, go enjoy it and leave AF alone!

[Rocketman]

His style is so close to Toriyama's that it looks like it was made by the master himself.

There's a pretty good reason for that, you know...