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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kid Buu » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:32 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Yamcha was more useful than Tenshinhan
Hmm:

Yamcha: Saved everyone from Boss Rabbit, and stopped Oozaru Goku.
Tenshinhan: Stalled Cell so #18 can escape but she got absorbed anyway, saved Dende's life in the Buu arc.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:27 pm

Kid Buu wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Yamcha was more useful than Tenshinhan
Hmm:

Yamcha: Saved everyone from Boss Rabbit, and stopped Oozaru Goku.
Tenshinhan: Stalled Cell so #18 can escape but she got absorbed anyway, saved Dende's life in the Buu arc.
So kinda even? I mean Tien was a dry character after his arc. Didn't do much and Yamcha was a support

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:29 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
Kid Buu wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Yamcha was more useful than Tenshinhan
Hmm:

Yamcha: Saved everyone from Boss Rabbit, and stopped Oozaru Goku.
Tenshinhan: Stalled Cell so #18 can escape but she got absorbed anyway, saved Dende's life in the Buu arc.
So kinda even? I mean Tenshinhan was a dry character after his arc. Didn't do much and Yamcha was a support
Yamcha forgot to tell Goku that the Androids could absorb energy. I'd say that gives him negative points.

On the other hand, he flat-out admitted that he was useless, so, give him points for staying out of everyone's way, I guess?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kid Buu » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:29 pm

Huh? I thought Yamcha did tell them straight away they could absorb energy, TeamFourStar doesn't count.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:31 pm

Kid Buu wrote:Huh? I thought Yamcha did tell them straight away they could absorb energy, TeamFourStar doesn't count.
He did. He just doesn't explain it right. Then later on he explains it correctly. Not his fault.

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Post by Kid Buu » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:34 pm

Most of the characters here just seem useful in their debut arcs and then fodder for the rest of the series. I'd probably give the edge to Yamcha since helping in Dragon Ball hunts is more useful than winning a tournament thanks to a car.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:36 pm

Kid Buu wrote:Most of the characters here just seem useful in their debut arcs and then fodder for the rest of the series. I'd probably give the edge to Yamcha since helping in Dragon Ball hunts is more useful than winning a tournament thanks to a car.
Yamcha and Krillin stayed usedful. Kinda. Yamcha was far more speard apart. Krillin however was always useful after not being a jackass

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Post by Kid Buu » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:39 pm

I think Gaffer Tape summed it up best with his Yamcha and Fred from Scooby Doo comparison. 8)
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:39 pm

Kid Buu wrote:Huh? I thought Yamcha did tell them straight away they could absorb energy, TeamFourStar doesn't count.
He tells Gohan and Bulma, and later on Gohan tells Piccolo. Yamcha never says a word about it to Goku while he's fighting 19.
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Post by Kid Buu » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:41 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Kid Buu wrote:Huh? I thought Yamcha did tell them straight away they could absorb energy, TeamFourStar doesn't count.
He tells Gohan and Bulma, and later on Gohan tells Piccolo. Yamcha never says a word about it to Goku while he's fighting 19.
At least he told someone, Kaioshin forgot to mention to anyone that Buu could absorb people. That's gotta be even futhur in the negatives. :lol:
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Post by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:49 pm

I think DBZ Movie 3 is a little overrated and I think many people only rate it highly because of nostalgia. Think about; a lot of its footage is used in Rock the Dragon, it was the first 'Z' movie to be dubbed and released in the US, it uses the whole Saiyan arc cast, etc.- it almost sort of embodies those early years of DBZ in the US. Sure, it has some great music (Dun-dun-dun) and some neat fight scenes, but this is all in between long panning shots of wastelands and wrecked cities. Some of them are very artsy and nice, but it gets very tiresome after a while. And those fights scenes involving Yamcha, Tenshinhan, etc. last only a few minutes at most.

I hate to say it, since it does have a lot of sentimental value, but sitting through this movie is extremely boring and it even becomes a bite of a chore at some points (Oozaru scene anyone?).

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Post by Kid Buu » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:50 pm

I never liked Tree of Might either, I remember the whole Oozaru Gohan portion going on and on, and then at one point Goku's like "ok, type to move the plot forward, chop off tail with Destructo Disk when I could have done that earlier!"
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:52 pm

Kid Buu wrote:
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Kid Buu wrote:Huh? I thought Yamcha did tell them straight away they could absorb energy, TeamFourStar doesn't count.
He tells Gohan and Bulma, and later on Gohan tells Piccolo. Yamcha never says a word about it to Goku while he's fighting 19.
At least he told someone, Kaioshin forgot to mention to anyone that Buu could absorb people. That's gotta be even futhur in the negatives. :lol:
True enough. I made a long post once rationalizing Kaioshin's behavior in the Buu Arc that, IIRC, was pretty well received, but, in the end, Toriyama just made him a lot less than he was initially made out to be. I'm not a big fan of that, mainly since I like the Kaioshin's character designs :P

Actually, I guess that can be my "unpopular opinion." I really like the Kaioshins, andI think that the Kaioshin designs are some of the best in the series. West Kaioshin is actually my 3rd favorite design of all, after Piccolo and 23rd Budokai Chi-Chi.

I mean, seriously, look at these guys. They really need their own series.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kid Buu » Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:02 pm

It's hard to rationalize his behavior in-universe, but out-of-universe: Toriyama had no idea what the hell he was writing about and thus the Buu arc makes no sense.
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Post by Storm » Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:20 pm

DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:I think DBZ Movie 3 is a little overrated and I think many people only rate it highly because of nostalgia. Think about; a lot of its footage is used in Rock the Dragon, it was the first 'Z' movie to be dubbed and released in the US, it uses the whole Saiyan arc cast, etc.- it almost sort of embodies those early years of DBZ in the US. Sure, it has some great music (Dun-dun-dun) and some neat fight scenes, but this is all in between long panning shots of wastelands and wrecked cities. Some of them are very artsy and nice, but it gets very tiresome after a while. And those fights scenes involving Yamcha, Tenshinhan, etc. last only a few minutes at most.

I hate to say it, since it does have a lot of sentimental value, but sitting through this movie is extremely boring and it even becomes a bite of a chore at some points (Oozaru scene anyone?).
I only saw the movie for the first time (all the way through, I had seen very brief clips of it on TV years and years ago) this summer, and I loved it. Its moody atmosphere and long fight scenes without music really give it a tone that separates it from the other DBZ movies, and Tullece is an extremely entertaining villain. It also has one of my favorite climaxes in all of Dragon Ball-dom, with Goku's initial Genki Dama failing, only for him to realize he can use the tree to supply power, and meets Tullece in a gunslinger showdown straight out of a western. True, the non-Goku guys get shoved aside, but they're still better off than in most of the movies.

It's definitely my favorite of the original 13. The only thing that comes close is Dead Zone.

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Post by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:37 pm

Storm wrote:
DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:I think DBZ Movie 3 is a little overrated and I think many people only rate it highly because of nostalgia. Think about; a lot of its footage is used in Rock the Dragon, it was the first 'Z' movie to be dubbed and released in the US, it uses the whole Saiyan arc cast, etc.- it almost sort of embodies those early years of DBZ in the US. Sure, it has some great music (Dun-dun-dun) and some neat fight scenes, but this is all in between long panning shots of wastelands and wrecked cities. Some of them are very artsy and nice, but it gets very tiresome after a while. And those fights scenes involving Yamcha, Tenshinhan, etc. last only a few minutes at most.

I hate to say it, since it does have a lot of sentimental value, but sitting through this movie is extremely boring and it even becomes a bite of a chore at some points (Oozaru scene anyone?).
I only saw the movie for the first time (all the way through, I had seen very brief clips of it on TV years and years ago) this summer, and I loved it. Its moody atmosphere and long fight scenes without music really give it a tone that separates it from the other DBZ movies, and Tullece is an extremely entertaining villain. It also has one of my favorite climaxes in all of Dragon Ball-dom, with Goku's initial Genki Dama failing, only for him to realize he can use the tree to supply power, and meets Tullece in a gunslinger showdown straight out of a western. True, the non-Goku guys get shoved aside, but they're still better off than in most of the movies.

It's definitely my favorite of the original 13. The only thing that comes close is Dead Zone.
Must admit, I forgot about the climax. I have to agree with you there and I also agree that the film does have quite an atmosphere, but I just feel like the frequent usage of those scenic shots often crossed the line between building atmosphere and unnecessary padding.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:19 pm

Lord Slug is better than Broly.
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RandomGuy96 wrote:Lord Slug is better than Broly.
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Post by Kid Buu » Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:51 pm

I've never understood the Lord Slug or Movie 4 hate at all.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:34 am

Kid Buu wrote:I've never understood the Lord Slug or Movie 4 hate at all.
I kinda agree. Even though it ranks very low on my list of "best-to-worst" DBZ movies for being like... the most unoriginal P.O.S (Piece. of. Shit) ever I honesty thought it was an overall better movie than Movie 7 or 11. It had more of a story going for it plus it does the characters more justice.

EDIT: BTW fuck Kaioshin and his people. Can't stand his character.
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