What things irreversibly lowered your opinion of the series?

[Basaku]

Child-like characters move a lot of merchandise in Japan. You'd think Tony Tony Chopper would be the main character of One Piece with how much merchandise in Japan is based on him.

Among who though? Kid audience or is it just adult fans who will buy everything anyway and find kiddo characters "adorable and oh so cuty/funny"? From my own personal experience as a kid back in the day, we wanted to play as Goku/Vegeta, not really Trunks/Goten. Nobody cared about little Anakin, we wanted to be Obi-Wan or Luke. Nobody wanted to be Chibiusa on the playground, kids wanted to be badass Jupiter or Uranus. Nobody cared about kiddo blue Power Ranger, we wanted to be Tommy.

[Lord Beerus]

Child-like characters move a lot of merchandise in Japan. You'd think Tony Tony Chopper would be the main character of One Piece with how much merchandise in Japan is based on him.

Among who though? Kid audience or is it just adult fans who will buy everything anyway and find kiddo characters "adorable and oh so cuty/funny"? From my own personal experience as a kid back in the day, we wanted to play as Goku/Vegeta, not really Trunks/Goten. Nobody cared about little Anakin, we wanted to be Obi-Wan or Luke. Nobody wanted to be Chibiusa on the playground, kids wanted to be badass Jupiter or Uranus. Nobody cared about kiddo blue Power Ranger, we wanted to be Tommy.

It's mostly the young child (both boy and girl) and the female demographic that child-like characters appeal to the most.

[Doctor.]

Child-like characters move a lot of merchandise in Japan. You'd think Tony Tony Chopper would be the main character of One Piece with how much merchandise in Japan is based on him.

Among who though? Kid audience or is it just adult fans who will buy everything anyway and find kiddo characters "adorable and oh so cuty/funny"? From my own personal experience as a kid back in the day, we wanted to play as Goku/Vegeta, not really Trunks/Goten. Nobody cared about little Anakin, we wanted to be Obi-Wan or Luke. Nobody wanted to be Chibiusa on the playground, kids wanted to be badass Jupiter or Uranus. Nobody cared about kiddo blue Power Ranger, we wanted to be Tommy.

It's mostly the young child (both boy and girl) and the female demographic that child-like characters appeal to the most.

But think about it. If Trunks and Goten grow up in Super and have relevant roles in them, Toei will be able to attract the vastly large fanbase of the Yaoi shippers!

[Basaku]

But think about it. If Trunks and Goten grow up in Super and have relevant roles in them, Toei will be able to attract the vastly large fanbase of the Yaoi shippers!

Google Goku/Vegeta. They've been here for decades

[The Desert Bandit]

I've always hated how shallow and pointless Goten was. Yes, he's cute and all, he's 50% of Gotenks and that's it. Did we really need another son for Goku who happens to be a carbon copy of him with no personality of his own? We already got to see Goku's "parenting skills" with Gohan. He's basically that kid who hangs around with Trunks. I did like his reaction to his mother's death and how he got serious for about five minutes...right before going back to his usual shallow self.

Trunks wasn't that much better. But at least he did have a personality of his own and he existed...well, because Future Trunks did

In all fairness, Goten was a bit too much like Goku, and I did feel that besides being cute and innocent (Again, like Goku), he didn't really have much of an identity. And Goten as an adult was really just a rehash of Yamcha. Despite this, I actually like Goten, primarily due to his interactions with Trunks. They were pretty funny to see; Trunks would always want to be a troublemaker, only to drag Goten into it. They were rebellious kids who would get themselves into trouble constantly, especially with Mighty Mask and all the other crap that they caused at the World Tournament. And yes, I know this only existed in filler, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy it.

In a strange way (And don't judge me for this thought), it feels like Ed Edd 'n' Eddy, minus Ed, but with superhuman strength, flight, etc. (Or simply superpowers, for lack of a better term)

Basically, if it weren't for Goten and Trunks being the Beavis and Butthead of the series (Without the sex-jokes of course), then Goten would indeed probably be one of my least favorite Z-Fighters.

[TheGmGoken]

Goten as an adult was really just a rehash of Yamcha.

Explain. I really want to here this.

In what why is Son Goten anything like that Yamcha fellow.

[Cold Skin]

Nothing ever lowered my opinion irreversibly so far, lets hope it stays that way!
I became more and more impressed with it when discovering the true Dragon Ball thanks to the re-translations of all medias.
And since then, nothing ever disappointed me, and certainly not in a drastic irreversible way!

There are things that I still don't like too much and never really liked too much anyway even as a kid, but never anything that really bothered me or that I wish never happened, never anything that made me think "ggh, that series is not as great as I thought in the end" or "this is a new low".
GT could have done this, but it is something apart that can be ignored, so the lack of quality doesn't bother me and doesn't impact the franchise for me.

I just keep being amazed as more adventures unfold with new elements that keep fascinating me more and more.
Let's hope Dragon Ball Super will go that way too.

[Basaku]

Basically, if it weren't for Goten and Trunks being the Beavis and Butthead of the series (Without the sex-jokes of course), then Goten would indeed probably be one of my least favorite Z-Fighters.

Hard to deny any of it, but that's why adult Goten has a lot of potential. Can be taken in any direction, along with Pan, Bra, Maron, Uub and partially Trunks as well. We just need to get out of this boring 10 year period.

[The Desert Bandit]

Goten as an adult was really just a rehash of Yamcha.

Explain. I really want to here this.

In what why is Son Goten anything like that Yamcha fellow.

-Goten, at the end of Z, looks A LOT like Yamcha.
-Goten became a flirt, and hooked on girls as an adult.
-Goten begins to put leisure and other things before fighting or training, similarly to my favorite bandit.
-Goten became rather comedic in a near-similar fashion to how Yamcha was in DB.

I personally don't see a problem with recycling ideas, but Akira Toriyama really just wanted to put in a reincarnation of Yamcha by the seems.

[DBZAOTA482]

Goten as an adult was really just a rehash of Yamcha.

Explain. I really want to here this.

In what why is Son Goten anything like that Yamcha fellow.

-Goten, at the end of Z, looks A LOT like Yamcha.
-Goten became a flirt, and hooked on girls as an adult.
-Goten begins to put leisure and other things before fighting or training, similarly to my favorite bandit.
-Goten became rather comedic in a near-similar fashion to how Yamcha was in DB.

I personally don't see a problem with recycling ideas, but Akira Toriyama really just wanted to put in a reincarnation of Yamcha by the seems.

....or maybe Chi-Chi's a freak (totally understandable) and was secretely seeing Yamcha on the side. No wonder Bulma told Trunks that Yamcha was a player... he was looking for relations with someone else since it wasn't working between them and Bulma was jelly.

[TheGmGoken]

Goten as an adult was really just a rehash of Yamcha.

Explain. I really want to here this.

In what why is Son Goten anything like that Yamcha fellow.

-Goten, at the end of Z, looks A LOT like Yamcha.
-Goten became a flirt, and hooked on girls as an adult.
-Goten begins to put leisure and other things before fighting or training, similarly to my favorite bandit.
-Goten became rather comedic in a near-similar fashion to how Yamcha was in DB.

I personally don't see a problem with recycling ideas, but Akira Toriyama really just wanted to put in a reincarnation of Yamcha by the seems.

Goten looked nothing like Yamcha besides having down hair. Goten hair is still his Dad's hair but down so he don't be Goku Clone. Goten had ONE girlfriend the entire series. ONE. No mentioned of him cheating or being a flirt like Yamcha (until post Z Toriyama interviews). And it's not like Goten attracted lots of girls. He's been with Palance since we've known he dated. Dating doesn't make you a flirt or a ladies man. He's just dating. Everyone besides Vegeta and Goku decided to put things before fighting. Everyone. That's a poor excuse. Is GohGohan Yamcha too? Gohan stopped training too. How about Trunks aand Krillin. Goten had 2 gags scenes in GT and 1 at EOZ. Hardly like Yamcha.

So how exactly is he like Yamcha?

[The Desert Bandit]

....or maybe Chi-Chi's a freak (totally understandable) and was secretely seeing Yamcha on the side. No wonder Bulma told Trunks that Yamcha was a player... he was looking for relations with someone else since it wasn't working between them and Bulma was jelly.

Akira Toriyama needs to implement this into DB Super. NOW!!

And GmGoten, you make it sound like being based off of Yamcha is an insult. Lol.

[TheGmGoken]

....or maybe Chi-Chi's a freak (totally understandable) and was secretely seeing Yamcha on the side. No wonder Bulma told Trunks that Yamcha was a player... he was looking for relations with someone else since it wasn't working between them and Bulma was jelly.

Akira Toriyama needs to implement this into DB Super. NOW!!

And GmGoten, you make it sound like being based off of Yamcha is an insult. Lol.

It's Goken NOT Goten. I'm not insulting Yamcha. I just fail to see how they're similar. When there's none besides their hair is down (not nearly the same length).

This:


Looks nothing like

[The Desert Bandit]

....or maybe Chi-Chi's a freak (totally understandable) and was secretely seeing Yamcha on the side. No wonder Bulma told Trunks that Yamcha was a player... he was looking for relations with someone else since it wasn't working between them and Bulma was jelly.

Akira Toriyama needs to implement this into DB Super. NOW!!

And GmGoten, you make it sound like being based off of Yamcha is an insult. Lol.

It's Goken NOT Goten. I'm not insulting Yamcha. I just fail to see how they're similar. When there's none besides their hair is down (not nearly the same length).

This:


Looks nothing like

:/

Whether two people/things look similar is subjective. I personally think they look alike. And I think he resembled Yamcha more by the end of DB, during the 23rd Budokai Tenkaichi. If you disagree, then that's on you.

[TheGmGoken]

Yamcha didn't even have the same haircut during 23TB, let alone facial features due to art style changing

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So how is

Goten as an adult was really just a rehash of Yamcha.

true again? Not same personality. Everyone quit fighting. Everyone grew up. Not same appearance. How exactly is Goten a rehash? Last time I checked Goten wasn't no desert bandit or something. Who joined a magically quest and is scared to talk to girls. Only to get a girlfriend that he apprantly (anime and manga?) Cheats on and had a terrible relationship with. Who died and had Vegeta stole Bulma from him. Trunks didn't steal Palance from Goten at all. No rehashing at all.

[Zephyr]

As The NUMBER ONE Goten fan himself put it many a year ago:

Perhaps my opinion of how GT treated Goten would be slightly better if he even so much as looked like a Goten, let alone behaved anything like one. As he is, that guy could be Yamucha. He may as well be, given that all he does is slap ass and lose fights.

Coupled with Goten's hairstyles that weren't a ripoff of Goku's are just glorified alterations of classic Yamcha styles (EoZ being a modified Yamcha mullet, and GT being a modified Android arc Yamcha cut).

The parallels are there.

[TheGmGoken]

As The NUMBER ONE Goten fan himself put it many a year ago:

Perhaps my opinion of how GT treated Goten would be slightly better if he even so much as looked like a Goten, let alone behaved anything like one. As he is, that guy could be Yamucha. He may as well be, given that all he does is slap ass and lose fights.

Coupled with Goten's hairstyles that weren't a ripoff of Goku's are just glorified alterations of classic Yamcha styles (EoZ being a modified Yamcha mullet, and GT being a modified Android arc Yamcha cut).

The parallels are there.

Gotens EOZ is literally Goku's hair but probably comb down. It's exactly the same as a kid just in a different style. GT Goten hair is typical slanted anime hair. Gohan had Yamcha hair. If you tilted Yamcha hair. You would NOT get the same result. Everyone lost fights in GT and Gotens track record isn't that good anyways. And I'm tired of the Goten is a playboy. Here's not. He had ONE girlfriend that he took care of. Hardly slapping ass. I will admit that GT messed up Gotens natural charm.

Lil Lem passed me the torch btw

[Rocketman]

-Goten became a flirt, and hooked on girls as an adult..

This is the weirdest complaint people have about Goten. You mean that between the ages of 7 and 17/23, he started liking girls?!?!?! WTF since when does that happen to growing boys?!

[The Desert Bandit]

-Goten became a flirt, and hooked on girls as an adult..

This is the weirdest complaint people have about Goten. You mean that between the ages of 7 and 17/23, he started liking girls?!?!?! WTF since when does that happen to growing boys?!

I'm not complaining about Goten getting into girls. If anything it is more relatable. But I was explaining how Goten became quite similar to Yamcha, with his flirtatious attitude being one of my points.

[Chuquita]

That super-lazy Super logo. "Let's take the Dragon Ball Z logo, remove the Z, and slap 超 beside it."
They didn't even change the font, guys. Or at least change the colors. Kai's got a nicer "stands on its own" logo.