T I E N

General discussion about Kanzenshuu, its content, features, contests, community, etc. This is NOT an off-topic forum!
User avatar
caejones
I Live Here
Posts: 3125
Joined: Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:37 am
Contact:

Post by caejones » Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:28 pm

For some reason "Majin Uub" came to mind when I first heard that mess... but it wouldn't be much better (as Herms' thinly veiled Capcom reference illustrates. XD).
Uubbuu would have been awesome, just because I heard "Ubu" used by random people prior to the Buu saga's dubbed release... Like the "Super Saiya jin?" line or the first time I heard "Mr. Satan" in the dub (I guess I'd been living on the TV release and cut VHS until the next episode preview for Mr. Satan attacking Kid Buu).
Alas, it was not to be. :(

Ur... to bring things vaguely on the filters topic...
... I'd totally not mind a filter for "Majuub", but for the completely ilvegetamate reason of it annoying me. :oops:
Dr Gero, in Budokai 2 wrote:Go, my Saiba Rangers!
Akira Toriyama, in Son Goku Densetsu wrote:You really can’t go by rumors (laughs).

User avatar
Onikage725
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1502
Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:00 pm
Location: Outer Heaven
Contact:

Post by Onikage725 » Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:25 pm

I just don't get why they would shorten "Majin," halving the word and making it part of his name. I think they missed the whole "two parts of Buu rejoining" bit, instead treating it like a standard fusion and fanwanking their own name from there.

So, I would totally support a filter on that. I admit that my reasons are purely selfish and fanboyish.
To show my appreciation, I'll only beat them half to death.

User avatar
Kaboom
Moderator
Posts: 14506
Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:07 pm

Post by Kaboom » Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:38 pm

Onikage725 wrote:instead treating it like a standard fusion and fanwanking their own name from there.
Yeah, the Buu-Uub thing seems more like a Namekian merger to me.
So, I would totally support a filter on that. I admit that my reasons are purely selfish and fanboyish.
Heh, same here. Filtering "Majuub" to "Uub" would be great.
[ BlueSky | Bsky: DBS Plots | DeviantArt | Twitter (Depreciated) ]

[PSN/Steam: KaboomKrusader | Switch FC: SW-4304-7361-2824 | ACNH Dream Address: DA-1637-4046-7415 ("SlamZone") ]

Powar Levuls! — DBZ | Movies & Specials | GT

User avatar
Rocketman
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 10799
Joined: Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:17 pm

Post by Rocketman » Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:42 pm

I don't see why it's such a bugaboo. It's handy shorthand for "Uub post-fusion" and the fusion wasn't quite like Piccolo-Kami anyway, as Buu remains a separate consciousness.

User avatar
Kaboom
Moderator
Posts: 14506
Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:07 pm

Post by Kaboom » Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:43 pm

I dunno, I guess it just sounds really dumb, even for a FUNi-created name. I know it's one of the few that actually really annoy me, probably because it was so unnecessary.
[ BlueSky | Bsky: DBS Plots | DeviantArt | Twitter (Depreciated) ]

[PSN/Steam: KaboomKrusader | Switch FC: SW-4304-7361-2824 | ACNH Dream Address: DA-1637-4046-7415 ("SlamZone") ]

Powar Levuls! — DBZ | Movies & Specials | GT

User avatar
Onikage725
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1502
Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:00 pm
Location: Outer Heaven
Contact:

Post by Onikage725 » Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:13 pm

Agreed. Like I said, selfish reasons. But honestly we used to call him Majin Uub (or Ubuu, depending on the fansub) as a fan term. Majin Uub would have been, in my opinion, a much better way for them to have shown that he was fully the reincarnated Majin Buu. Majuub would indicate that he was once... Majbuu?

It just seems silly for them to randomly cut in half a Japanese word and attach it directly to his name as one word.

While not an issue for a filter, I just want to say that I'm iffy on the American "official" fan terms for Buu's forms. Buu is simply Buu, and the Daizenshuu provides some terms for clarification. Then fans came up with their own terms. And FUNi took more from the fan terms than the official ones (i.e. Pure Evil Buu being Evil Buu, Evil Buu being Super Buu, Pure Buu being Kid Buu).

I think Uub would just be the best term for the filter, since that's what his name was. You could even throw Majin in front if you wanted to be specific. Tho, to be honest, how often is that? It's not like he does much of significance after his fusion...
To show my appreciation, I'll only beat them half to death.

User avatar
SSJ2bardock
I Live Here
Posts: 2592
Joined: Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:10 am
Location: Chicago

Post by SSJ2bardock » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:14 pm

Do people have problems with the terms Funimation uses for Buu's different forms? I was unaware of that.

Personally, I find the names they gave them a whole hell of a lot easier to use than just calling him Majin Buu all the time. And it's not like the names don't fit.
PSN Stay_Slapped

Let’s play FighterZ

User avatar
NeptuneKai
I Live Here
Posts: 3576
Joined: Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:51 pm

Post by NeptuneKai » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:33 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:Do people have problems with the terms Funimation uses for Buu's different forms? I was unaware of that.

Personally, I find the names they gave them a whole hell of a lot easier to use than just calling him Majin Buu all the time. And it's not like the names don't fit.
Yeah I have to agree with you there. Constantly calling him "Boo" may be fairly confusing.

However names like Boohan or Bootanks drive me up the wall just because they SOUND stupid and it doesn't take that long to type out "Boo (Gohan absorbed)" same gripe with "Majuub".
Aro started to laugh. “Ha, ha, ha,” he chuckled.- Actual quote from Twilight

User avatar
SSJ2bardock
I Live Here
Posts: 2592
Joined: Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:10 am
Location: Chicago

Post by SSJ2bardock » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:49 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:Do people have problems with the terms Funimation uses for Buu's different forms? I was unaware of that.

Personally, I find the names they gave them a whole hell of a lot easier to use than just calling him Majin Buu all the time. And it's not like the names don't fit.
Yeah I have to agree with you there. Constantly calling him "Boo" may be fairly confusing.

However names like Boohan or Bootanks drive me up the wall just because they SOUND stupid and it doesn't take that long to type out "Boo (Gohan absorbed)" same gripe with "Majuub".
I was referring to Fat buu, Super Buu, and Kid buu. The whole Buuhan and Buutenks things pretty much go into the "mystic" Gohan category for me, which is the lame fan terms category. And as far as I know Funimation hasn't ever used Buuhan or Buutenks as official names I don't think.

That's probably not what you were talking about NeptuneKai, but I just wanted to clarify anyway.
PSN Stay_Slapped

Let’s play FighterZ

User avatar
Taku128
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1675
Joined: Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:22 am

Post by Taku128 » Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:51 am

SSJ2bardock wrote:Do people have problems with the terms Funimation uses for Buu's different forms? I was unaware of that.

Personally, I find the names they gave them a whole hell of a lot easier to use than just calling him Majin Buu all the time. And it's not like the names don't fit.
There are names for Boo's forms in the Japanese version. The transformation guide on the site uses them. Majin Boo (Good), Majin Boo (Pure Evil), Majin Boo (Evil) and Majin Boo (Pure).
­

User avatar
JulieYBM
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 18617
Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:25 pm
Location: 🏳️‍⚧️🍉

Post by JulieYBM » Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:02 am

Taku128 wrote:Majin Boo (Good), Majin Boo (Pure Evil), Majin Boo (Evil) and Majin Boo (Pure).
:shock:

I do not know what to say about that. That's just so...I just don't know.
💙💜💖 She/Her 💙💜💖

User avatar
Taku128
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1675
Joined: Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:22 am

Post by Taku128 » Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:10 am

JulieYBM wrote:
Taku128 wrote:Majin Boo (Good), Majin Boo (Pure Evil), Majin Boo (Evil) and Majin Boo (Pure).
:shock:

I do not know what to say about that. That's just so...I just don't know.
Straight forward? Unimaginitive? Boring? What?
­

User avatar
Onikage725
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1502
Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:00 pm
Location: Outer Heaven
Contact:

Post by Onikage725 » Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:50 pm

Taku128 wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:
Taku128 wrote:Majin Boo (Good), Majin Boo (Pure Evil), Majin Boo (Evil) and Majin Boo (Pure).
:shock:

I do not know what to say about that. That's just so...I just don't know.
Straight forward? Unimaginitive? Boring? What?
Good, Evil, Pure, etc are too straightforward... but Fat, Evil, Super, Kid aren't? This is the series that tends to label transformations numerically as stages or forms, right? How esoteric do we need to get here?

I never liked Fat and Kid (or Chibi) Buu as names. That's even before I knew they were just fan terms. They were fine to keep things orderly, and yeah I tend to use them so as not to confuse the different Buu's.
Last edited by Onikage725 on Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.
To show my appreciation, I'll only beat them half to death.

User avatar
Herms
Kanzenshuu Admin Emeritus
Posts: 10550
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:40 pm
Location: Jupiter
Contact:

Post by Herms » Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:57 pm

Onikage725 wrote:Good, Evil, Pure, etc are too straightforward... but Fat, Evil, Super, Kid aren't?
How are they too straightforward? What sort of names would you prefer instead?
Kanzenshuu: Is that place still around?
Sometimes, I tweet things
We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.

User avatar
Onikage725
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1502
Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:00 pm
Location: Outer Heaven
Contact:

Post by Onikage725 » Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:19 pm

Me? I was just saying that both sets are fairly straightforward. One set just happens to come from official source material and one is fanon that was legitimized in the US dub.

"That's the Buu that turned good."
"That's the Buu who's really fat."

They're both pretty straightforward. Couldn't one argue that the more straightforward name is the one from an off-the-cuff physical description rather than the one based on his character arc?

Edit: My previous post wasn't finished. I blame my stupid proxy that I use at work...

To finish that thought, while I think the fan (and in the case of some, FUNi) descriptors are fine to keep multiple forms straight on the fly... I think they are silly to use as actual names the way some do.

I guess I see it kind of like... if everyone referred to Piccolo in the Buu Saga as Kamiconaillo.
To show my appreciation, I'll only beat them half to death.

Rena Rune
Beyond Newbie
Posts: 248
Joined: Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:51 pm

Post by Rena Rune » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:29 pm

You just answered your own question. The logical defense is that it's accurate, as opposed to one that's not.
No listen. Jesus. You are not being logical. It doesn't matter if Tenshinhan is the original CORRECT name, you still have not, and probably never will, provide reasoning why you are essentially enforcing people to use a specific name instead of another. That is something that is WRONG. You can say it's insignificant but Tenshinhan's TRUE name is debatedly insignificant too.

It IS wrong to do what you're doing. It is elitist, immature, and ultimately pathetic. If I want to call Tenshinhan "Pink Supervisor", it's wrong, it might be annoying, but why should I be prevented from doing so?

Yes it IS a big deal, because it's not just down to how easy it is for me to say Tien, it's a disturbing and disappointing insight into the kind of people that almost always end up owning and running forums. Does that make me an immature rebel? I don't care. I still have a point, and people who throw out anti-authority stereotypes only do so because they know their authority is questionable at best.

You don't understand logic, at all. Just because one name is the more used or the original name doesn't mean you should force people to use it. That is NON SEQUITOR. It does not follow from one point to another. You still have not defined why people should be forced into this crap.

Logic is not an opinion - you are objectively in the wrong here. Until you grasp the point that even if a name IS correct you shouldn't. This is an issue of logic and respect. You keep up with this ulterior motive crap because you can't deal with the point head on. I just genuinely can't stand illogical, unfair decisions.

Tenshinhan being the correct name does NOT mean you should in any way force others to. The fact that there is a way around it is secondary, if you banned people over it there would be a lot more people who wouldn't take this shit. There is no logic connecting point A and B.

I'm really loosing patience here. You're not prepared to entertain the opposing view at all, just continue with the patronising It's Great To Hear Other People's Opinions :D when you couldn't give a toss and don't even begin to respect those opinions in the slightest.

I'm probably coming off as a jerk now but I'm so frustrated. At the end of the day, you're not listening.

Rena Rune
Beyond Newbie
Posts: 248
Joined: Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:51 pm

Post by Rena Rune » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:32 pm

Kendamu wrote:
Herms wrote:
VegettoEX wrote: The ratio of your "weeaboo"-based comments and accusations with respect to other posts and contributions is a little disconcerting, nevermind wrong.
Can we make up a stupid and insulting name for the sort of people who call you "weeaboo" if you don't use dub names, admit to knowing some Japanese, etc.? They seem to really be on the rise.
People who know the word Weeaboo are usually bigger nerds than any Dragonball fan I've ever seen. If anyone calls you that, just ask them, "Don't you have some CP to delete or something? Get busy before the partyvan shows up," or something of that nature.
Oh I'm probably a much bigger geek than the admins here. But I don't try to force that on other people, which is the difference.

User avatar
NeptuneKai
I Live Here
Posts: 3576
Joined: Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:51 pm

Post by NeptuneKai » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:34 pm

Rena Rune wrote: If I want to call Tenshinhan "Pink Supervisor", it's wrong, it might be annoying, but why should I be prevented from doing so?
Because nobody will know who the HFIL you are referring to.
Aro started to laugh. “Ha, ha, ha,” he chuckled.- Actual quote from Twilight

User avatar
Onikage725
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1502
Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:00 pm
Location: Outer Heaven
Contact:

Post by Onikage725 » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:08 pm

Rena, the fact that it's easily surpassable and that people aren't banned over doing so is why it isn't that big of a deal. It's quirky at worst. It's a forum, these are the rules, noone is forced to post here. Getting this upset would be like having a fit over a redirect on Wikipedia for two words that mean the same thing.

And, hell, if it is easier for someone to type Tien, DO IT. Nothing stops you from writing any name (and I'm pretty sure "Pink Supervisor" doesn't trigger the filter for Tenshinhan, or anyone for that matter). The only real gripe here would be if it irks you to re-read your post and see some names changed. But then, that's where the tags can be used, if such a thing is really going to crawl up one's skin. Otherwise, you can type what you want. You can, if you choose, bypass the filter. And there are no repercussions for doing so.
To show my appreciation, I'll only beat them half to death.

User avatar
SSJ2bardock
I Live Here
Posts: 2592
Joined: Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:10 am
Location: Chicago

Post by SSJ2bardock » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:10 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
Rena Rune wrote: If I want to call Tenshinhan "Pink Supervisor", it's wrong, it might be annoying, but why should I be prevented from doing so?
Because nobody will know who the HFIL you are referring to.
But they would if you called him Tien, Believe It!! :wink:
PSN Stay_Slapped

Let’s play FighterZ

Post Reply