Live Action Movie Discussion Thread

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:20 pm

Desire, from what you just quoted, I would like to think that this new DB movie is a homage at best. It can't really be a rip-off since that usually involves subtle forms of stealing and FOX has the rights to do this. But, at the same time, it's definitely not an adaption as it's not really adapting Dragonball to the big screen.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:23 pm

Y'know... kind of like "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within" only slightly better.

And your opinion just lost all credibility.

And the movie is an adaptation. Just because you have an extremely narrow-minded take on the term, and on Dragonball, doesn't change the fact that it is an adaptation of the series.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:30 pm

Xyex wrote:And the movie is an adaptation. Just because you have an extremely narrow-minded take on the term, and on Dragonball, doesn't change the fact that it is an adaptation of the series.

A bad adaptation.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:40 pm

desirecampbell wrote:
Xyex wrote:And the movie is an adaptation. Just because you have an extremely narrow-minded take on the term, and on Dragonball, doesn't change the fact that it is an adaptation of the series.
A bad adaptation.

Your opinion lost its credibility when you went ranting on about Gwen Stacy and the first Spider-man movie.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:02 pm

Xyex wrote:
Y'know... kind of like "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within" only slightly better.
And your opinion just lost all credibility.

And the movie is an adaptation. Just because you have an extremely narrow-minded take on the term, and on Dragonball, doesn't change the fact that it is an adaptation of the series.

Just because you apply the term "adaption" to this movie the way someone would apply water to an ocean doesn't mean that it's true.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:15 pm

Wow, Xyex is spot on I'm glad he (or she) gets it.

Whoever said "it's a bad adaptation" is an idiot. The movie isn't even released yet.

Oh, Oozaru is most likely going to be in the movie (says IGN).

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:18 pm

JAPPO wrote:Wow, Xyex is spot on I'm glad he (or she) gets it.

Whoever said "it's a bad adaptation" is an idiot. The movie isn't even released yet, genius.

Because, you know, a detailed plot synopsis never came out or anything like that to let us know what the movie was going to be about and what sort of changes took place when transferring it from manga page to movie screen. So, obviously, no opinions can be formed.

EDIT: Seriously, I can understand that some things will be changed. But, some of the changes made here are pretty much the equivalent of making Batman a government operative that sports a submachine gun and fights against giant monsters on a weekly basis.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:20 pm

Kendamu wrote:
JAPPO wrote:Wow, Xyex is spot on I'm glad he (or she) gets it.

Whoever said "it's a bad adaptation" is an idiot. The movie isn't even released yet, genius.
Because, you know, a detailed plot synopsis never came out or anything like that to let us know what the movie was going to be about and what sort of changes took place when transferring it from manga page to movie screen. So, obviously, no opinions can be formed.

That's right. Scripts change all the time, and casting is ongoing.

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:23 pm

This movie is seemingly going to be a nice distraction much like the Transformers film. Pretty to look at, but that's about it.

There, I formed an opinion with out trying to be an "idiot". Can we all get along now?

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:24 pm

JAPPO wrote:
Kendamu wrote:
JAPPO wrote:Wow, Xyex is spot on I'm glad he (or she) gets it.

Whoever said "it's a bad adaptation" is an idiot. The movie isn't even released yet, genius.
Because, you know, a detailed plot synopsis never came out or anything like that to let us know what the movie was going to be about and what sort of changes took place when transferring it from manga page to movie screen. So, obviously, no opinions can be formed.
That's right. Scripts change all the time, and casting is ongoing.

Given that the movie started filming this month and it's supposed to hit theaters in August I don't think there's too much time to re-do important plot points like making Piccolo Daimao simultaneously take on Freeza and Radtiz's roles in relation to him and Son Goku being aliens.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:26 pm

Kendamu wrote:
JAPPO wrote:
Kendamu wrote: Because, you know, a detailed plot synopsis never came out or anything like that to let us know what the movie was going to be about and what sort of changes took place when transferring it from manga page to movie screen. So, obviously, no opinions can be formed.
That's right. Scripts change all the time, and casting is ongoing.
Given that the movie started filming this month and it's supposed to hit theaters in August I don't think there's too much time to re-do important plot points like making Piccolo Daimao simultaneously take on Freeza and Radtiz's roles in relation to him and Son Goku being aliens.

And CHUD knows everything about the movie? Remember James Wong is rewriting a script made in 2004, and they still haven't casted Grandpa Gohan or Kami, OR maybe they have and they aren't releasing that info.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:28 pm

JAPPO wrote:
Kendamu wrote:
JAPPO wrote: That's right. Scripts change all the time, and casting is ongoing.
Given that the movie started filming this month and it's supposed to hit theaters in August I don't think there's too much time to re-do important plot points like making Piccolo Daimao simultaneously take on Freeza and Radtiz's roles in relation to him and Son Goku being aliens.
And CHUD knows everything about the movie? Remember James Wong is rewriting a script made in 2004, and they still haven't casted Grandpa Gohan or Kami, OR maybe they have and they aren't releasing that info.

Where was it stated that he's re-writing that script?

I'll give this movie a little more credit if theres some proof.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:33 pm

Kendamu wrote:
JAPPO wrote:
Kendamu wrote: Given that the movie started filming this month and it's supposed to hit theaters in August I don't think there's too much time to re-do important plot points like making Piccolo Daimao simultaneously take on Freeza and Radtiz's roles in relation to him and Son Goku being aliens.
And CHUD knows everything about the movie? Remember James Wong is rewriting a script made in 2004, and they still haven't casted Grandpa Gohan or Kami, OR maybe they have and they aren't releasing that info.
Where was it stated that he's re-writing that script?

I'll give this movie a little more credit if theres some proof.

You should not be posting these strong opinions without the proper information.

"Wong rewrote the previous draft by Ben Ramsey."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/con ... 7cdb7e6562

There's other sources.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:40 pm

I can post whatever opinions I want. It's not like I'm calling them facts.

I think that's the problem with all of you who actually like the movie! You seem to take it as a personal insult if people don't like every little fucking thing about it!

I don't hate people who like the movie and I don't think it's wrong to like the movie. However, I am allowed to dislike whatever I want to dislike about the movie. Stop giving me so much shit for not liking what I've heard so far!

As for that news tidbit, it still seems that Piccolo Daimao is supposed to be a green Raditz/Freeza fusion. So, obviously not too much has changed.

If a trailer comes out that shows me something I like, my opinion will change. Until then, get off my ass!

EDIT: And just to give you a taste of your own medicine: You guys are acting as if we can't form a negative opinion due to having so little information about the movie. It works both ways. With so little information, forming a positive opinion shouldn't really be allowed by that logic.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:48 pm

Kendamu wrote:I can post whatever opinions I want. It's not like I'm calling them facts.

I think that's the problem with all of you who actually like the movie! You seem to take it as a personal insult if people don't like every little fucking thing about it!

I don't hate people who like the movie and I don't think it's wrong to like the movie. However, I am allowed to dislike whatever I want to dislike about the movie. Stop giving me so much shit for not liking what I've heard so far!

As for that news tidbit, it still seems that Piccolo Daimao is supposed to be a green Raditz/Freeza fusion. So, obviously not too much has changed.

If a trailer comes out that shows me something I like, my opinion will change. Until then, get off my ass!

EDIT: And just to give you a taste of your own medicine: You guys are acting as if we can't form a negative opinion due to having so little information about the movie. It works both ways. With so little information, forming a positive opinion shouldn't really be allowed by that logic.

A green Freeza? wtf?

I can understand Radditz, but where the hell did you get Freeza?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:49 pm

I agree (with Kendamu). Differing opinions are one thing, but can we all please try to lay off the insults and snideness a little?

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:58 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:I agree (with Kendamu). Differing opinions are one thing, but can we all please try to lay off the insults and snideness a little?

Seconded. Most of us here are trying to have an actual discussion.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:58 pm

I respect everyones opinions, but as long as I'm not banned (which won't be for long, and I really don't care) I will continue to challenge them with my logic and facts. And believe me, I know almost every detail released about this movie.

This is an adaptation. No, it's not going to be exactly Dragonball and you can bet some of the parts won't be from the manga or anime. However, I can guarentee it will be an entertaining movie whether it's good or bad, and I can also guarentee there will be some treats for the fans and not just the general public.

FOX would not throw all this money at Dragonball (I don't know where you guys are getting this is a low budget movie. "The Matrix" had a budget of 80 million and this is 100+ million and we don't have to pay huge actor salaries) if they didn't think it would do well.

Yes, yes, it's all about money. Well, so what. You have absolutely no problem with Akira Toriyama wanting to make money, but if someone you never heard of does, oh man it's so wrong.

I mean shit, the X-Men movies were about money and they turned out to be incredible! Same studio! Give it a chance.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:13 pm

JAPPO wrote:I respect everyones opinions, but as long as I'm not banned (which won't be for long, and I really don't care) I will continue to challenge them with my logic and facts. And believe me, I know almost every detail released about this movie.

Good. Remember the facts like 'the plot, characters, and setting is completely different'? Remember that one?

JAPPO wrote:This is an adaptation. No, it's not going to be exactly Dragonball and you can bet some of the parts won't be from the manga or anime. However, I can guarentee it will be an entertaining movie whether it's good or bad, and I can also guarentee there will be some treats for the fans and not just the general public.

desirecampbell, on good adaptation techniques, wrote:'Tidbits' are not enough to make this a good movie. "Oh, he's wearing the turtle gi just like in the show" is not a good reaction. It shouldn't be exciting that their using the uniform we see for 90% of the series.

JAPPO wrote:FOX would not throw all this money at Dragonball (I don't know where you guys are getting this is a low budget movie. "The Matrix" had a budget of 80 million and this is 100+ million and we don't have to pay huge actor salaries) if they didn't think it would do well.

Noone said it was low-budget, Ken said it was like some low budget film - in that it's terrible. I quote: Son Goku essentially being a cross between Peter Parker and Clark Kent in an orange dogi with kanji on it doesn't really scream "Dragonball" as much as it screams "low-budget martial arts film that tried to get more people to pay to see it by randomly giving the characters Dragonball names.". Emphasis is mine.

JAPPO wrote:Yes, yes, it's all about money. Well, so what. You have absolutely no problem with Akira Toriyama wanting to make money, but if someone you never heard of does, oh man it's so wrong.

My argument has nothing to do with money. Noone has said anything about money.

JAPPO wrote:I mean shit, the X-Men movies were about money and they turned out to be incredible! Same studio! Give it a chance.

Well, I also hated the Xmen movies - but they were still a better adaptation than this movie looks to be.

If you're so up on the movie facts - how about enlightening us with anything that points to the movie having a familiar setting, character trait, plot... anything really.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:24 pm

I have in the past but just forget it, there's no pleasing this forum.