Dragon Ball Z Being Re-edited and Re-dubbed for HDTV

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:51 pm

Mike wrote:The censoring was fucking ridiculous. Not to mention they didn't recolor Nappa so there's still a continuity error when he arrives on Earth.

Crazy, crazy Japan.

-Mike

Well, Nappa I can understand, as the only real difference is the slightly red hue in his armor. That could be explained as being a result of the planets lighting or atmosphere.

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:03 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
Mike wrote:The censoring was fucking ridiculous. Not to mention they didn't recolor Nappa so there's still a continuity error when he arrives on Earth.

Crazy, crazy Japan.

-Mike
Well, Nappa I can understand, as the only real difference is the slightly red hue in his armor. That could be explained as being a result of the planets lighting or atmosphere.

Nappa goes from black and brown armor to blue and yellow. I don't see how that's any different from the green and orange Vegeta to the yellow and white Vegeta.

-Mike

Vivisection · Post by **Vivisection** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:04 pm

Timo wrote:The censoring was pretty ridiculous. >_>

Afraid I missed it this week — what exactly did they censor?

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:06 pm

Mike wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:
Mike wrote:The censoring was fucking ridiculous. Not to mention they didn't recolor Nappa so there's still a continuity error when he arrives on Earth.

Crazy, crazy Japan.

-Mike
Well, Nappa I can understand, as the only real difference is the slightly red hue in his armor. That could be explained as being a result of the planets lighting or atmosphere.
Nappa goes from black and brown armor to blue and yellow. I don't see how that's any different from the green and orange Vegeta to the yellow and white Vegeta.

-Mike

Oh yeah, your right. I forgot his original colors for a second there...

Man, Toei's really half-assing this aren't they? All of their real effort, in terms of "refreshing the animation", seems to be going to censorship, creating more animation errors, and cropping.

DB_Fan · Post by **DB_Fan** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:13 pm

Mike wrote:The censoring was fucking ridiculous. Not to mention they didn't recolor Nappa so there's still a continuity error when he arrives on Earth.

Crazy, crazy Japan.

-Mike

In the previous episode Vegeta still looked like a vegetable...

Post by **Herms** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:17 pm

DB_Fan wrote:In the previous episode Vegeta still looked like a vegetable...

But he was only far in the background very briefly, wasn't he? I don't think it's that big a deal that they let that one guy.

kei17 · Post by **kei17** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:26 pm

Vivisection wrote:Afraid I missed it this week — what exactly did they censor?

Comparison image found on 2channel.

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:27 pm

I knew it! I knew he was supposed to have a hole instead of a bruise!

B · Post by B » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:30 pm

Are people whining about blood being gone?

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:37 pm

Censorship like this is bullshit. Toei advertised how they were redrawing certain scenes to look more modern, but all that has been re-traced are almost entirely consisted of ki-blasts and scenes with censorship. It's like they're saying "Here, this scene is censored now, but hey, it's gots the new HD amnimeshiunzz!" BS.

Sure, they corrected Vegeta's incorrect outfit, but they also failed to correct Nappa's colors, the animation errors, and hell, they've even added their own share of animation errors to the mix.

[Edited for less flamin' hot cheetos]

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:38 pm

B wrote:Are people whining about blood being gone?

I think it's more about there not being a giant, gaping hole where the massive, high-charged drilling beam went through his torso.

Blood, actually, it doesn't really need. Wouldn't the heat or whatever kinda cauterize the wound, anyway?

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:44 pm

B wrote:Are people whining about blood being gone?

The beam goes STRAIGHT THROUGH BOTH OF THEM. A bruise makes no sense and it just looks stupid.

Why isn't it a big deal?

B · Post by B » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:46 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
B wrote:Are people whining about blood being gone?
So, it was sooo bad for Saban and FUNimation to edit blood, but when Toei does it, they get a free pass? Sorry, but no. Censorship like this is bullsh-

Blood doesn't matter, regardless of who's editing it. If there were people complaining when Saban and FUNi did it, they get the same amount of

from me. I personally don't appreciate being lumped in with hypocrites.

And how are Nappa's colors wrong in Kai?

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:
B wrote:Are people whining about blood being gone?
The beam goes STRAIGHT THROUGH BOTH OF THEM. A bruise makes no sense and it just looks stupid.

Why isn't it a big deal?

Because it's a cartoon where an alien shoots a beam through two other aliens. Seriously. The "integrity of the legendary series, DORAGON BORU" is not being tarnished because some splatters of red stuff isn't there.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:50 pm

B wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:
B wrote:Are people whining about blood being gone?
So, it was sooo bad for Saban and FUNimation to edit blood, but when Toei does it, they get a free pass? Sorry, but no. Censorship like this is bullsh-
Blood doesn't matter, regardless of who's editing it. If there were people complaining when Saban and FUNi did it, they get the same amount of from me. I personally don't appreciate being lumped in with hypocrites.

I apologize. I should have watched what I said, instead of jumping to conclusions, please forgive me .

However, in general, I do stand by my argument that it is stupid for Toei to be doing something as boneheaded as Saban did back in the day, as there is really no excuse for this, unless Japan has become soft over the years.

B · Post by B » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:53 pm

I agree with you that I don't see the point in removing the blood, but I also don't see the point in complaining it's gone. That's how miniscule this is, to me at least.

kei17 · Post by **kei17** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:07 pm

The things annoyed me most were the voice of Nappa and a slowed down battle scene.
Look carefully at the scene Piccolo and Goku make a first strike on Raditz.
It's obviously half-speeded for the sake of fucking Pokemon-something.

YouTube · Post by **Hujio** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:10 pm

I'm not justifying censorship of any kind, but I just wanted to point out that the scenes edited to remove the blood and massive holes actually closely resemble the manga now. And considering that this is a "Toriyama Original Cut", aka more like the manga, so it does make some sense that these were cut out.

kei17 wrote:The things annoyed me most were the voice of Nappa and a slowed down battle scene.
Look carefully at the scene Piccolo and Goku make a first strike on Raditz.
It's obviously half-speeded for the sake of fucking Pokemon-something.

Really? I'll have to re-look at that. If it was slowed down, I didn't even notice.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:18 pm

Hujio wrote:I'm not justifying censorship of any kind, but I just wanted to point out that the scenes edited to remove the blood and massive holes actually closely resemble the manga now. And considering that this is a "Toriyama Original Cut", aka more like the manga, so it does make some sense that these were cut out.

If it's such a manga cut, why does ep 1 have filler content? And why does ep 2 cut out relevant manga elements (the explanation of the DB's limitations, foreshadowing of Gohan's hidden powers, Raditz reading two numbers as 1 and thus showing the fallibility of scouter tech)?

I don't dislike Kai, but I do feel a little annoyed when the manga-edition of the anime trims stuff from the manga, and then tries to console me by cleaning up some violence in my 80's super powered martial arts cartoon.

Zenkai Power · Post by **Zenkai Power** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:20 pm

B wrote:I agree with you that I don't see the point in removing the blood, but I also don't see the point in complaining it's gone. That's how miniscule this is, to me at least.

Unfortunately, it IS a big deal. It's censorship. If it was okay to air this 20 years ago or so then it should be okay now. It's ridiculous. Cartoon Network hacked away at these episodes (or Saban rather) and censored blood, tears, etc. It's not right. People were upset then, that it was being censored and now they're doing almost the same deal. It's not cool.

I mean no, just like then, it doesn't necessarily hurt the story or anything, but they shouldn't do it. It just shouldn't happen. It's a big deal because they shouldn't even be doing it. I mean, now DB Kai is obviously going to have tons of stuff censored out. You can look forward to that now. Krillin is not going to get impaled by Frieza if they can't put a hole through Goku. It's silly that they've censored it.

And I doubt they chose to do this censoring to be more like the manga.

B · Post by B » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:23 pm

"It's not right" and "it just should't happen" isn't an argument at all. =/