Why so much hatred towards this name?

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Mon May 04, 2009 7:55 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:...
Saiyan-Professor wrote:and no one respects Christianity in the US.
Not to open up a touchy can of worms or anything, but the gigantic swath of Bible belt we got going on down in the midwest disagrees very much with this statement. And they're certainly not in some kind of tiny, minuscule, rapidly dwindling minority or anything. And besides, if disrespect for Christianity was really that rampant here, why would FUNi even need to worry about conservative parents freaking out about a name like Mr. Satan in the first place?

I should have qualified it by saying the super fans and media at large. Like I said I can see why but just in general unless the religion has a subjective focus to it the majority disrespects it and that includes Christianity, Judaism and Islam. In addition to this according to Barna Christianity is dwindling in America.

VenomSymbiote · Post by **VenomSymbiote** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:35 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote: Funimation was marketing to American consumers and they know that it is the (conservative) parents that purchase the material, and if you want to make money, the last thing you want to do is alienate the majority of your market. They could stand to lose some super fans but not the entire lot.

I agree completley here. More than likely, this is EXACTLY what happened, or what FUNi feared would happen. This justification seems to make the most sense in regards to Mr. Satan's name change.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:47 pm

ssjcj wrote:Funimation, I believe, got the H-word from the french dub.

And the French dub used that because it had already used the name "Satan" for Piccolo.
I'm not sure which reason is dumber.

Saiyan-Professor wrote:what if the character name was Mr. Shaitan of Islam or Mr. Māra in Buddhism?

I really, really doubt Buddhists would care.
The problem mostly lies with the religions of the book...

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue May 05, 2009 1:36 am

I don't like Mark's dub name because "Mr. Saturn" was a much better choice for retaining the "Wrestling name" vibe while simultaneously sounding much closer to his Japanese name.

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Tue May 05, 2009 2:35 am

Kendamu wrote:I don't like Mark's dub name because "Mr. Saturn" was a much better choice for retaining the "Wrestling name" vibe while simultaneously sounding much closer to his Japanese name.

I love how we can officially call him Mark now.

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Tue May 05, 2009 4:33 am

His name isn't Her-cule, it's Mr. Mark Satan. Period. End of discussion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpC8tkckjHI&feature=fvsr Watch this.
It isn't "Dub Name Vs Japanese Name" it's "Japanese AND UNCUT Dub name from the DVDs Vs. Crappy Edited Dub name from the TV version"

They called him Mr. Satan in the Dub, where is the Problem?

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue May 05, 2009 4:55 am

DemonRin wrote:His name isn't Her-cule, it's Mr. Mark Satan. Period. End of discussion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpC8tkckjHI&feature=fvsr Watch this.
It isn't "Dub Name Vs Japanese Name" it's "Japanese AND UNCUT Dub name from the DVDs Vs. Crappy Edited Dub name from the TV version"

They called him Mr. Satan in the Dub, where is the Problem?

Mr. Satan is his ring name. Mark is his real name. Where he comes from people don't have surnames. So it's not Mark Satan.

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Tue May 05, 2009 6:37 am

FUNimation just got scared of the thought of religious people complaining about there being an anime with someone with"Satan" in the name. I mean, come on, seriously?

I think they should've kept with Mr. Satan. Fuck the people who complain, Hercule is not his name. For a long time, I thought Mr. Satan's first name was Hercule, not Mark. It's better to keep most of the original names.

Post by **Herms** » Tue May 05, 2009 7:29 am

Can I just point out that Hercules was a demi-god (half man, half god) not an actual god? He did become a full-blown god after his death, but that was after his whole monster-fighting career was done with. I'm not really sure what the article means when it says Hercules was not above cheating. He got help fighting the Hydra and whatnot, but I don't believe he ever claimed to have killed any monster that he actually hadn't.

B · Post by B » Tue May 05, 2009 8:11 am

DemonRin wrote:His name isn't Her-cule, it's Mr. Mark Satan. Period. End of discussion.

That's no excuse for people going "GRAAAAAAAAARGH" when they hear it. The anger and frustration makes no sense.

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Tue May 05, 2009 8:20 am

Piccolo Daimao wrote:FUNimation just got scared of the thought of religious people complaining about there being an anime with someone with"Satan" in the name. I mean, come on, seriously?

I think they should've kept with Mr. Satan. Fuck the people who complain, Mr. Satan is not his name. For a long time, I thought Mr. Satan's first name was Mr. Satan, not Mark. It's better to keep most of the original names.

They DID Keep with Mr. Satan.
It was ONLY Her-cule in the Edited Dub, on the DVDs, it was Mr. Satan, even in the Dub.

And I know Mr. Satan is apparently his Stage name, and Mark is his real name, I was trying to include both when I said that.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Tue May 05, 2009 10:07 am

So where did this whole Mark thing come from?

VenomSymbiote · Post by **VenomSymbiote** » Tue May 05, 2009 10:31 am

Herms wrote:Can I just point out that Hercules was a demi-god (half man, half god) not an actual god? He did become a full-blown god after his death, but that was after his whole monster-fighting career was done with. I'm not really sure what the article means when it says Hercules was not above cheating. He got help fighting the Hydra and whatnot, but I don't believe he ever claimed to have killed any monster that he actually hadn't.

Yeah, that's true as well.

VenomSymbiote · Post by **VenomSymbiote** » Tue May 05, 2009 10:32 am

Casual Matt wrote:So where did this whole Mark thing come from?

I think one of the Super Exciting Guides (Character Volume, I think.) revealed Mr. Satan's name, that being "Mark".

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Tue May 05, 2009 10:46 am

Olivier Hague wrote:
ssjcj wrote:Funimation, I believe, got the H-word from the french dub.
And the French dub used that because it had already used the name "Satan" for Piccolo.
I'm not sure which reason is dumber.

I'd say FUNimation. The Satan change makes sense (if you were to use anything other than Piccolo), as Piccolo is literally the evil adversary of God. Why they didn't take "Lucifer" instead for Mr Satan afterwards, I don't know, but FUNi taking the French word for Hercules is just as, if not more stupid.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Tue May 05, 2009 10:47 am

DemonRin wrote:
They DID Keep with Mr. Satan.
It was ONLY Her-cule in the Edited Dub, on the DVDs, it was Mr. Satan, even in the Dub.

On the uncut DVDs they do refer to him as "He.rcule Satan" often.

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Tue May 05, 2009 4:38 pm

I think people seem to underestimate the power of offended parents. Having a popular character (storywise) name Satan in what could be the most popular cartoon on television at the time could have caused such an uproar that it could have killed Dragonball in the US, and possibly had reprcusions on other anime being released.

Irregardless of the the media tries to say, there are parents out there with strong morals who care what their children are exposed to. And trying to downplay the importance of it because it not something that we would take up arms about is just foolish.

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Tue May 05, 2009 4:49 pm

Casual Matt wrote:So where did this whole Mark thing come from?

http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopic.php?t=10196

@DemonRin
his name isn't Mark Satan, just Mark. Mr.Satan is just his ring name

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Tue May 05, 2009 5:05 pm

Rod wrote:
Casual Matt wrote:So where did this whole Mark thing come from?
http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopic.php?t=10196

@DemonRin
his name isn't Mark Satan, just Mark. Mr.Satan is just his ring name

DemonRin wrote:And I know Mr. Satan is apparently his Stage name, and Mark is his real name, I was trying to include both when I said that.

Yay!! Reading is Fun!!

Anyway, I see Her-cule in DBZ the same way I see Roronoa Zolo in One Piece. It's NOT the character's name, and it reminds me of the terrible dub.
It's Mr. Satan and Roronoa Zoro.

RoarkVegeta · Post by **RoarkVegeta** » Tue May 05, 2009 5:10 pm

I think because most people are against changing and censoring things form the original version. I used to be fine with it and go with it, because I didn't wanna blurt out to kids "Mr. Satan".