Do you think a DBZGT character is faster than sound?

[goodguy777]

Isn't Kinto'un's top speed Mach 2? Gohan could beat it in a race by the Buu saga.

Mach 1.5, according to Daizenshuu 7. This figure most likely comes from when Goku meets Arale: he says she's as fast as Kinto-un, and in Dr. Slump Arale is said to be able to run at mach 1.5.

An aircraft flying at the speed of sound is flying at a Mach number of one, expressed as Mach 1.

Kaioh said after Goku's training that he could travel the 1 million kilometer snakeway in 2 days, but Goku traveled it shorter than 2 days. Is that listed in any dragon ball guide?

[Bussani]

Shooting or blasting the moon in a matter of seconds is lightspeed, if not? Then what is it?

Moon killing attacks probably are a little bit inconsistent. It takes light roughly 1.3 seconds for light to reach the moon from Earth. In the manga it's impossible to tell how long it takes, but even if it's a fraction of that speed, that's still pretty fast.

An out of universe explanation would be that it would be boring sitting around waiting for the attack to reach the moon.

Edit:

Ok then, putting the dub aside; and since the topis DOES include GT; at one point we see Kibito Kai go from Earth to the Tuffle Planet instantly, as one moment he is on a tv monitor in one moment and the next he is on the other planet with everyone else.

Hence, far beyond the speed of sound.

Like Herms said, that's an ability, not his speed. He knows Kai-kai, which like Goku's teleport, is instantaneous. 'Instant' isn't a speed, really.

or stargate?

It's a Fargate! We're not getting sued!

Edit 2: Oh yeah; thanks for the clarification on Kinto'un's speed, Herms.

[TheNamek]

Instant Transmission is breaking down into light and moving as fast is light does though. Thats faster than sound.

My vote goes to yes; for almost every 'warrior' and 'villian' after Namek.

[Herms]

Kaioh said after Goku's training that he could travel the 1 million kilometer snakeway in 2 days, but Goku traveled it shorter than 2 days. Is that listed in any dragon ball guide?

Probably. It's part of the plot, and there's loads of plot summary throughout the various guides.

Instant Transmission is breaking down into light and moving as fast is light does though. Thats faster than sound.

As previously stated, that's not actually how it works at all, it's just dub-logic. In the original the technique's precise mechanics aren't explained at all (other than how to lock onto people's ki to teleport), and it's simply said to take you anyway "instantly". And in real-world terms at least, going at the speed of light is insufficient to "instantly" travel the sorts of interplanetary distances Goku is seen teleporting to and from with the technique.

[Bussani]

Instant Transmission is breaking down into light and moving as fast is light does though. Thats faster than sound.

Did you miss the part where I said that's a dub explanation for the technique, is no where in the original, and that it makes no sense? Light is not instant.

Besides, I don't think 'Instant Transmission' counts as a character's 'speed', or you might as well say that Goku is infinitely fast.

[goodguy777]

And frankly, I'm fine if people want to have these arguments, but don't drag science into it to support your crazy pipe dreams about a fictional character. Don't call it what it isn't, science.

It didn't really use any science, since you just asked if the characters could travel at the speed of sound, which is purely an opinion question. My opinion is "yes", but your opinion may be "no". Who is right? Neither of us, since it's simply an opinion. I'm sure there is a speed of sound in DragonBall, though we have no idea what it is. I mean, you can't really put a number to it, can you? You're also assuming that the speed of sound is slower than the speed of light. I would tend to believe that is probably a correct assumption, but can you prove it? If we're gonna be serious about this discussion, I want something to work with. Actual evidence always helps your case.

Now you are asking everything about science, you're the only one claiming that you want something to work with. It's common sense that there are times when and where to use science, especially if there are no clear given or there is. It's a replica of our world, at least slight. What made you say it's prohibited to sometimes use science in a slight replica of the real world?

Shooting or blasting the moon in a matter of seconds is lightspeed, if not? Then what is it?

Moon killing attacks probably are a little bit inconsistent. It takes light roughly 1.3 seconds to reach the moon from Earth. In the manga it's impossible to tell how long it takes, but even if it's a fraction of that speed, that's still pretty fast.

An out of universe explanation would be that it would be boring sitting around waiting for the attack to reach the moon.

Roshi and Piccolo's moon busting is just a measuring stick for Freeza's death beam that only Goku can detect. We don't need to measure the gap of that speed, it's so obvious.

[Bussani]

Moon killing attacks probably are a little bit inconsistent. It takes light roughly 1.3 seconds to reach the moon from Earth. In the manga it's impossible to tell how long it takes, but even if it's a fraction of that speed, that's still pretty fast.

An out of universe explanation would be that it would be boring sitting around waiting for the attack to reach the moon.

Roshi and Piccolo's moon busting is just a measuring stick for Freeza's death beam that only Goku can detect. We don't need to measure the gap of that speed, it's so obvious.

Whoops, had to correct myself up there. It takes 1.3 seconds for light to get to the moon from Earth.

Anyway, I'm not really sure what you were saying here.

[goodguy777]

Kaioh said after Goku's training that he could travel the 1 million kilometer snakeway in 2 days, but Goku traveled it shorter than 2 days. Is that listed in any dragon ball guide?

Probably. It's part of the plot, and there's loads of plot summary throughout the various guides.

1 million kilometers in 2 days is not a plot device, it's Kaioh's statement based on Goku's progress.
1 million kilometers in 2 days is more or less mach 16, whether Toriyama calculated it or not and whether it is reality or fiction 1 million kilometers in 2 days is more or less mach 16. Whatever happens in our world, it's still the same unless Toriyama himself announce that 1 km in Dragon Ball world is not Real World 1 Kilometer.

The plot device is Goku made the 1 million kilometer trip in less than 2 days. Still, you can't argue with that.

[goodguy777]

Moon killing attacks probably are a little bit inconsistent. It takes light roughly 1.3 seconds to reach the moon from Earth. In the manga it's impossible to tell how long it takes, but even if it's a fraction of that speed, that's still pretty fast.

An out of universe explanation would be that it would be boring sitting around waiting for the attack to reach the moon.

Roshi and Piccolo's moon busting is just a measuring stick for Freeza's death beam that only Goku can detect. We don't need to measure the gap of that speed, it's so obvious.

Whoops, had to correct myself up there. It takes 1.3 seconds for light to get to the moon from Earth.

Anyway, I'm not really sure what you were saying here.

Roshi and Piccolo shooting the moon in seconds is only a measuring stick based on the gap of how fast Freeza's deathbeam(or finger ki blast) is. Only Goku can detect deathbeam(or finger ki blast) in that point of time.

[Hujio]

Now you are asking everything about science, you're the only one claiming that you want something to work with.

You're right, the speed of light isn't science. Using Mach Numbers isn't science. The mere mention of the speed of sound isn't science. Those are all non-scientific based numbers now? Besides, you practically begged me to post about how this isn't realistic, it's fiction. You wanted it. You got it. Don't bitch about it. Either man up, or get out of the way.

It's common sense that there are times when and where to use science, especially if there are no clear given or there is. It's a replica of our world, at least slight.

Is it common sense, really? I guess we don't have the same sense of commonality, then. How can you just assume something solely based on the fact that there's no information given? Your logic is flawless my friend. Completely, and utterly, flawless.

What made you say it's prohibited to sometimes use science in a slight replica of the real world?

Well, based on the fact that I didn't say that, I'd say nothing made me say it. I believe I said it's never okay to use science to interpret a fictional world.

By the way, can you explain how exactly you're calculating your Mach Numbers? I'm not quite following you, cause I'm getting Mach 17 for a million km per 2 days. So you're saying he went a million km in less than two days, but at Mach 16, he'd travel a million km in 2.13 days. Unless days are calculated differently in DragonBall, that'd mean it actually took him longer to travel Snake Road than Kaio said. If you want me to show you my math, I'll gladly do so.

[Bussani]

Just to be a pain, one could argue that since Serpent Road is all twisty and not a straight line, even though it's said to be 1 million kilometers, it might actually be quite a bit shorter if you fly over it like Goku did.

[Son Wukong]

If it makes anyone happy....Gotenks can reverse Earth's rotation just by sheer speed. I'd say that's pretty fast.

[Bussani]

If it makes anyone happy....Gotenks can reverse Earth's rotation just by sheer speed. I'd say that's pretty fast.

Are you sure you're not confusing him with Superman?

[goodguy777]

Now you are asking everything about science, you're the only one claiming that you want something to work with.

You're right, the speed of light isn't science. Using Mach Numbers isn't science. The mere mention of the speed of sound isn't science. Those are all non-scientific based numbers now? Besides, you practically begged me to post about how this isn't realistic, it's fiction. You wanted it. You got it. Don't bitch about it. Either man up, or get out of the way.

Did I say the speed of light isn't science? Did I say using Mach Numbers isn't science? Did I say the mere mention of the speed of sound isn't science? Did I say those are all non-scientific based numbers?

It's common sense that there are times when and where to use science, especially if there are no clear given or there is. It's a replica of our world, at least slight.

Is it common sense, really? I guess we don't have the same sense of commonality, then. How can you just assume something solely based on the fact that there's no information given? Your logic is flawless my friend. Completely, and utterly, flawless.

Since when did I say I will assume something solely based on the fact that there's no information given?
You only read the word common sense in my post but not my complete post.
I will make it clear to you, there are times when and where to use science, meaning we cannot use science all the time in fictional world.

What made you say it's prohibited to sometimes use science in a slight replica of the real world?

Well, based on the fact that I didn't say that, I'd say nothing made me say it. I believe I said it's never okay to use science to interpret a fictional world.

Why is it prohibited to sometimes use science to interpret a fictional slight replica of our world? Why is it prohibited to use it in a 4 out of 10 situation if there are given data? The Dragon Ball Earth is a slight replica of our earth and it's science. Dragon Ball world also use the word gravity and it has the same definition base on how they interact with the gravity. Is it prohibited to define the word Gravity(in Dragon Ball) using our science?

By the way, can you explain how exactly you're calculating your Mach Numbers? I'm not quite following you, cause I'm getting Mach 17 for a million km per 2 days. So you're saying he went a million km in less than two days, but at Mach 16, he'd travel a million km in 2.13 days. Unless days are calculated differently in DragonBall, that'd mean it actually took him longer to travel Snake Road than Kaio said. If you want me to show you my math, I'll gladly do so.

It's mach 16.6 or mach 17 or mach 16 more or less.
Since when did I say he went a million km in less than two days, but at Mach 16?

Please read my COMPLETE post CLEARLY:

1 million kilometers in 2 days is more or less mach 16, whether Toriyama calculated it or not and whether it is reality or fiction 1 million kilometers in 2 days is more or less mach 16.

The plot device is Goku made the 1 million kilometer trip in less than 2 days.

Please read my complete post Hujio of satancity.net

Just to be a pain, one could argue that since Serpent Road is all twisty and not a straight line, even though it's said to be 1 million kilometers, it might actually be quite a bit shorter if you fly over it like Goku did.

It's pure assumption, going directly into manga is more accurate.

[Shoryuken]

Kaioh said after Goku's training that he could travel the 1 million kilometer snakeway in 2 days, but Goku traveled it shorter than 2 days. Is that listed in any dragon ball guide?

Probably. It's part of the plot, and there's loads of plot summary throughout the various guides.

Goku flew and jumped across gaps and turns. He didn't actually stay directly on the snake-road itself.

Instant Transmission is breaking down into light and moving as fast is light does though. Thats faster than sound.

As previously stated, that's not actually how it works at all, it's just dub-logic. In the original the technique's precise mechanics aren't explained at all (other than how to lock onto people's ki to teleport), and it's simply said to take you anyway "instantly". And in real-world terms at least, going at the speed of light is insufficient to "instantly" travel the sorts of interplanetary distances Goku is seen teleporting to and from with the technique.

Shunkan Ido (瞬間移動) is japanese for "teleportation" ergo Goku teleports himself from place to place.

[Son Wukong]

If it makes anyone happy....Gotenks can reverse Earth's rotation just by sheer speed. I'd say that's pretty fast.

Are you sure you're not confusing him with Superman?

Yes, yes I am confused by this (skip to 2:00).

[Dayspring]

Roshi and Piccolo's moon busting is just a measuring stick for Freeza's death beam that only Goku can detect. We don't need to measure the gap of that speed, it's so obvious.

Whoops, had to correct myself up there. It takes 1.3 seconds for light to get to the moon from Earth.

Anyway, I'm not really sure what you were saying here.

Roshi and Piccolo shooting the moon in seconds is only a measuring stick based on the gap of how fast Freeza's deathbeam(or finger ki blast) is. Only Goku can detect deathbeam(or finger ki blast) in that point of time.

Vegeta could, but I get your point.

I also agree that we can't use real physics in this case when it comes to the moon. This isn't Earth. It's a very small and different planet named Earth, which has a very, very small moon that is simultaneously in orbit yet closer to the ground than Kami's palace is.

As for Mach Speeds in the afterlife, do we know if gravity and wind resistence and whatever else affects speed is completely consistent to OUR Earth's? No. We just know a road in it is 1 million km long.

Seriously, people: fiction! Not even drama-fiction, FANTASY-fiction!

[Rocketman]

Anything going faster than the speed of sound creates a sonic boom. For example, the crack of a whip is caused by the end of the whip breaking the sound barrier.

If there is no sonic boom, the characters are moving slower than sound.

[Herms]

Toriyama doesn't bother including sonic booms, even for characters explicitly stated to be going faster than sound. We've seen this in Dr. Slump

[Piccolo Daimao]

Do you think a DBZGT character is faster than sound?
I am waiting for someone who will say a "BIG NO."

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

But seriously, jokes aside. Just put an end to this thread. We've already established that there is no answer.