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[desirecampbell]

Y'see, it's responses like these that get a lot of dubbies upset. I find it so laughably hypocritical of you to always suggest for everyone to keep it civil in the threads you visit, but then you go and say something like that.

Someone asked for help in deciding between two DVD sets - everyone else gave logical, factually correct answers while you gave some kind of convoluted nonsense. Not responding to how you were misleading and wrong would be at best confusing and at worst frustrating to CelestialSaiyan. CelestialSaiyan wanted to know which DVD set was better, the answer is the Dragon Box - there's no concievable way to argue that the Season Sets are even as good as, let alone better that the Dragon Box.

I'm all for differing opinions, but there's that line that just shouldn't be crossed.

I really don't think you are, seeing as how you wrote out this post describing how you aren't okay with everyone else opinion.

You're a smart person, right? I'm sure you know what you were implying with that statement?

He was implying that Faulconer's UUE score (the 'broadcast music' option) is terrible, and unwanted.

In case you didn't, I'll say it, then. You were implying that because the dub music was designed for kids, older fans introduced via FUNI's dub should've out-grown it by now.

That's asinine, the whole show is designed for kids, the problem with Faulconer's music is that it's bad, overbearing in many scenes, forgettable as a whole, and incongruous with the tone of almost every scene. You should outgrow it like you outgrow punching yourself in the face.

But I ask you; Is it really that hard to believe that older fans just still prefer it regardless? Why is it so impossible for you and other subbies to deal with the fact that us guys on the other side feel that the dub music is so much better?

I think that feeling you have is gas. Eat some more fibre, that should clear that up for you. "Prefer it regardless" of what? Of it being terrible? That's what you imply with that sentence.

Eh, I'll never respond to you again.

If you're going to continue to respond in a manner as unhelpful and disrespectful as this I hope that 'you' was a general one and not just for Kaboom's benefit.

[CelestialSaiyan]

One more question: what's the best way to watch it?
If I'm correct the Dragon Box contain 2 audio tracks:
1:Original Japanese BGM music with original Japanese speech and English subs.
2:Original Japanese BGM music with dubbed English voices.

I would clearly choose the the first audio track, but if I read correctly in the review the second track is in 5.1 and the first is in 1.0.
Why is that?

[Blue]

I'll let the audiophiles help you out on that one but I figured it was worth bringing up the Japanese audio is touched up very nicely for the Dragon Box even if it isn't in 5.1

[The Time Traveller]

It's best to watch it in Japanese since that's the original, in it's purest form. Other than the manga in Japanese of course... or hell, even Toriyama's preliminary sketches of panels... uh, anyway...

Plus, the dub is outdated, low budget and made for children rather than the anime fans of today.

The best answer I can come up with the 1.0 and 5.1 question is.... the original audio is old, and the dub audio isn't that old.

[Savage68]

Plus, the dub is outdated, low budget and made for children rather than the anime fans of today.

Is that supposed to make it any less enjoyable for the guy?

[Blue]

Plus, the dub is outdated, low budget and made for children rather than the anime fans of today.

Is that supposed to make it any less enjoyable for the guy?

Yeah you kind of have a point. The show itself is outdated and made for children too. (I suspect it's pretty low budget at times as well but I don't know for sure.)

[xzero]

The Season Sets are the best option for dub fans, the Dragon Box sets are the best option for sub fans. And Kaboom, you don't "grow out of" enjoying the Faulconer dub music. You like what you like, and for a lot of American fans, the Faulconer dub is the music option of choice. In fact, in reading many non-hardcore DBZ reviews of the Dragon Box, it lost points for NOT including the Faulconer dub. The Japanese score has its high points as well, but elitist nonsense suggesting that enjoying one score over the other is something one "grows out of" is meaningless.

[Savage68]

Dear lord. If you should "outgrow" the Faulconer BGM because it's childish (never heard anything like it in a kid's show, btw), repetitive, and overall bad...you should probably be outgrowing DBZ as a whole, since all of those adjectives apply to the show, and moreover, the franchise. What kind of twisted reasoning is that? There are no silly notions of outgrowing something that you like, since the entire purpose of Faulconer's BGM was to be contrasted with the light-hearted and whimsical BGM of Kikuchi's. And it did that. Its quality is irrelevant when it comes to someone that isn't you, since no one can dictate what another's preferences should be.

[Questrider]

@OP-
You need to decide in the end what is the most important.
Music, picture, translation, etc.

Most fans who watched DBZ growing up enjoyed watching this with the Bruce Falconer soundtrack. I know I did.
To me, the music HAS to be done by Falconer. End of story.

Not having Bruce would be almost just as bad as not having Sean S voice Goku.

So yeah, I am also a big supporter of the orange bricks.

It you want the "Americanized" version of DBZ: get the orange bricks.
If you want the "Japanese Original", get the box.

It's really as simple as that as both sets cater to completely different audiences.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

You were implying that because the dub music was designed for kids, older fans introduced via FUNI's dub should've out-grown it by now.

True. But then again, so is Dragon Ball. Should I have grown out of that by now? So is Naruto, One Piece, reading comic books and collecting toys. Should I have grown out those things by now?


To say that dub fans should've outgrown Faulconer's score is asinine and hypocritical. You like what you like, regardless of what audience it's targeting.

[dragonpiece]

Dubbies, once more, get over it. What Kaboom said was true, the season sets are terrible. The only people still trying to think it is great are the fans of the English sound track who need to stop forcing themselves to like it because of nostalgia.

[VegettoEX]

Hey, can we all stop tossing our pejorative terms? Less arrogance, more facts. Warnings come next.

[Savage68]

Dubbies, once more, get over it. What Kaboom said was true, the season sets are terrible. The only people still trying to think it is great are the fans of the English sound track who need to stop forcing themselves to like it because of nostalgia.

You can only like a certain type of music because of nostalgia, and not just because you sincerely enjoy it? Did you consider that before making such a condescending remark? No one's arguing that the orange bricks are better; The point now is that all of the name-calling and comments to the effect of: "No, you're just forcing yourself to like it because you don't know any better!" aren't going to change anyone's mind on the matter. They never do. If you've already made the decision that you enjoy Faulconer's BGM more, you've already decided that you don't care what anyone else has to say about it.

[Gaffer Tape]

The Season Sets are the best option for dub fans, the Dragon Box sets are the best option for sub fans.

Well, it's not quite as simple as that. If you're a broadcast dub fan, the season sets have the best audio options, for sure, but that's the only thing it has that the DBoxes don't. You're still getting a terrible, chopped off, over-saturated mess of a picture no matter what your audio preferences are. A lot of broadcast fans still prefer the video of the DBoxes, so it's not nearly as cut and dry as you'd seem to believe it is.

[Questrider]

If you've already made the decision that you enjoy Faulconer's BGM more, you've already decided that you don't care what anyone else has to say about it.

Exactly. Us "dubbies" aren't "trying" to like anything.

We will like what we like, regardless of what anyone else thinks.
It doesn't make these people less of a fan, nor are we ignorant to the existance of the original version. We simply like one score better than the other and for some of us, the right music makes all the difference in the overall experience.

Wow, Savage. Did we actually agree for once?

EDIT: When I first watched the Season Sets, I was completely unaware of how poorly these were received by the overall fan club.
And because I was unaware, I felt as if I missed nothing.
Sometimes, ignorance is bliss and I'm glad I bought those Season Sets.
Learning that Falconer's score was not included with the "Box" made it a no brainer.

Would I rather have the music I love along with footage I felt was acceptable?
OR...
Do I watch better footage with music I don't care for?

In the end, it really depends on what YOU think is important.
I say:
To hell with what anyone else thinks since in the end, it's coming out of your wallet, not the next guy in line to give his 2 cents worth which won't buy you shit.

Not to say there's nothing wrong with going around collecting OPINIONS...

[Kaboom]

I think all information that can possibly be provided to CelestialSaiyan has been done so by now. So I think I'm going to close this pre-emptively as I can already see where this conversation ("blah blah blah not good," "blah blah blah how dare you,") is going. What's more, Mike is getting ignored...

As a final side note, when I remarked on "outgrowing" the dub's score (and other elements, to boot)... I was actually speaking from experience. Your results may differ.