A name change for Mr. Satan in the Broadcast?

[TonyTheTiger]

It's not a complete fabrication though. FUNi calls him Mr. Satan just like everybody else. They just extended the name. It's not so much a change as an embellishment. Changing it to Mr. Saturn or Mr. Satin is the more extreme change. Especially since the name "Satan" is written everywhere. I think "Mark" is the more extreme fabrication considering not only does it pull a random name out of thin air it also supposedly makes the name "Satan" a pseudonym, which is something it never was. At least "Hercule" keeps "Mr. Satan" as the man's real name.

And to qualify, I don't think "Mr. Satan" is really a problem for television given what other kids shows have done. I think FUNi just overreacted much like Saban and now Nickelodeon did with Roshi's beer. Hell, Gaston went on a musical drinking binge in Beauty and the Beast. And the actual Satan has appeared on numerous occasions in children's entertainment aimed at audiences even younger than DBZ's target.

[B]

Sure, in the uncut releases. But I highly doubt "Hercule Satan" will make it to Nicktoons.

[TonyTheTiger]

That might be the networks doing that then despite it being hypocritical. Rocko and Heffer went to Hell in one episode of Rocko's Modern Life and Nickelodeon won't let "Mr. Satan" be uttered? Can't blame FUNi for that if it is indeed the case. Though I still think it's FUNi just being overly cautious. If they sent out nothing but "Mr. Satan" I doubt anybody would say boo to it.

[linkdude20002001]

People are forgetting that the censorship has to be up to 4Kids' standards, not Nickelodeon's.

[Zep]

I'm with the people who say that if they just pronounce it the same way they do in the original Japanese (saying his name "Mr. Satan" in the way Satan is usually pronounced just sounds silly to me, for some reason) I don't see it as a problem. Maybe add a letter or a vowel, anything to make it close to the original while sidestepping any perceived outrage.

[Cowboy Dev]

I'm with the people who say that if they just pronounce it the same way they do in the original Japanese (saying his name "Mr. Satan" in the way Satan is usually pronounced just sounds silly to me, for some reason) I don't see it as a problem. Maybe add a letter or a vowel, anything to make it close to the original while sidestepping any perceived outrage.

My thoughts exactly.

[TonyTheTiger]

I don't know. That just comes off as really obtuse to me. The whole Final Fantasy X fiasco comes to mind. Tidus = Teedus. Same with the RPGOne retranslation of FFVI. Cefca? With a hard C? WTF? That's not how the modern American English language works! You can't just make up pronunciations all willy nilly!

And I'm sure adding a vowel to match the spelling would send people, on this board in particular, into a tizzy. Sure as hell did when they added an i to Ten.

[Mewzard]

Couldn't call him Mr. Saturn anyways, Earthbound (Nintendo) would send Giygas on us all!

Joking aside, Hercule is the most likely choice. They might get ballsy and try for Mr. Satan (it's not like that would bump up their rating to a PG-13 or anything). Mark's more out there, but not impossible. Anything else (not including the Hercule Satan combo) is unlikely.

[linkdude20002001]

They could go with Dosei-san!

But anyways, I think it should be Mr Satan for the home release, and Mr Savage or just Mark for the TV version (though, if they can get away with calling him Mr Satan on TV, then great!).

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

What's more accurate than the author coming up with it himself, and it being in a databook published by the same company that publishes the manga the author also wrote?

Because it's not accurate to the Anime. Not to the Manga or to the Databooks. If FUNimation were to call him "Mark", it would be inaccurate. This would go against their marketing for the series. If "Mark" was used in the Japanese version of Dragon Ball Kai, then it would be a different story.

[linkdude20002001]

It's still better than Hercule, at least. I mean, if we can't have Mr Satan on TV, then why not go with his real name. That way, you technically aren't lying to the people watching.

[B]

What's more accurate than the author coming up with it himself, and it being in a databook published by the same company that publishes the manga the author also wrote?

Because it's not accurate to the Anime. Not to the Manga or to the Databooks. If FUNimation were to call him "Mark", it would be inaccurate. This would go against their marketing for the series. If "Mark" was used in the Japanese version of Dragon Ball Kai, then it would be a different story.

Go back and read my posts in this thread, as I think I established why "Mark" would be the best option. Care to explain how "Hercule" or some variation of "Satan" that isn't actually "Satan" is accurate to the anime? Surely, you've got proof of this, as that's the argument you're using against "Mark."

In a perfect world, Nicktoons would man up, "Mr. Satan," and only "Mr. Satan" would be his name in every version of Z Kai, I'd have 2.3 million dollars, and we wouldn't be having this conversation. But that's not the case.

It's still better than Hercule, at least. I mean, if we can't have Mr Satan on TV, then why not go with his real name. That way, you technically aren't lying to the people watching.

Exactly this.

[Mewzard]

What's more accurate than the author coming up with it himself, and it being in a databook published by the same company that publishes the manga the author also wrote?

Because it's not accurate to the Anime. Not to the Manga or to the Databooks. If FUNimation were to call him "Mark", it would be inaccurate. This would go against their marketing for the series. If "Mark" was used in the Japanese version of Dragon Ball Kai, then it would be a different story.

Go back and read my posts in this thread, as I think I established why "Mark" would be the best option. Care to explain how "Hercule" or some variation of "Satan" that isn't actually "Satan" is accurate to the anime? Surely, you've got proof of this, as that's the argument you're using against "Mark."

In a perfect world, Nicktoons would man up, "Mr. Satan," and only "Mr. Satan" would be his name in every version of Z Kai, I'd have 2.3 million dollars, and we wouldn't be having this conversation. But that's not the case.

It's still better than Hercule, at least. I mean, if we can't have Mr Satan on TV, then why not go with his real name. That way, you technically aren't lying to the people watching.

Exactly this.

Really, that's not Nicktoons' fault. The dub is made to air on both Nicktoons AND the 4Kids owned block on CW. Unless we suddenly get worse edits then, we can't really blame Nicktoons for every one of them.

[Big Momma]

I think FUNimation should just use this chance to get in a Guest-Star VA and re-name him "Randy Savage".

[TonyTheTiger]

It's still better than Hercule, at least. I mean, if we can't have Mr Satan on TV, then why not go with his real name. That way, you technically aren't lying to the people watching.

Because I don't think it should count as his real name. It might be the name Toriyama is thinking about him having but until he publishes a story where he makes it relevant then I don't think it carries any more weight than Hercule given he never used it in the actual story.

Go back and read my posts in this thread, as I think I established why "Mark" would be the best option. Care to explain how "Hercule" or some variation of "Satan" that isn't actually "Satan" is accurate to the anime? Surely, you've got proof of this, as that's the argument you're using against "Mark."

I already did. Hercule is "more accurate" because it doesn't change his name from "Mr. Satan" to something else, even when they don't call him Mr. Satan. It's understood that Hercule is his first name while Satan is his last. Therefore, it's "more accurate" in the sense that he never stops being "Mr. Satan." Calling him Mark all of a sudden makes Mr. Satan a pseudonym which goes back to Toriyama toying with ideas he never published in the work. Just because it's the author playing with ideas doesn't automatically make them relevant to what he authored. He has to actually do something with those ideas before they become "canon."

[Zep]

I don't know. That just comes off as really obtuse to me. The whole Final Fantasy X fiasco comes to mind. Tidus = Teedus. Same with the RPGOne retranslation of FFVI. Cefca? With a hard C? WTF? That's not how the modern American English language works! You can't just make up pronunciations all willy nilly!

And I'm sure adding a vowel to match the spelling would send people, on this board in particular, into a tizzy. Sure as hell did when they added an i to Ten.

I was thinking just slot an extra T in there, like Mr. Sattan.

I think the problem with the Tien change is that it's not as simple as slotting an "i" in his name; they've pretty much lopped off the entire other half of his name, I assume because they thought it was too long and complex for some reason.

[batistabus]

I'm not sure if I'm understanding correctly or not, but do you guys actually think they would even consider Mark? I mean, I can see why you would want it (even though I personally do not agree it would be the best choice), but do you actually think they would do it?

[Cowboy Dev]

I'm not sure if I'm understanding correctly or not, but do you guys actually think they would even consider Mark? I mean, I can see why you would want it (even though I personally do not agree it would be the best choice), but do you actually think they would do it?

If they wanted a name that was at least accurate, then yes.

[Zep]

I really think "Mark" is far too obscure a reference for Funimation to actually use. As far as I can see it, it's pretty much out of the question.

[B]

I already did. Hercule is "more accurate" because it doesn't change his name from "Mr. Satan" to something else, even when they don't call him Mr. Satan. It's understood that Hercule is his first name while Satan is his last. Therefore, it's "more accurate" in the sense that he never stops being "Mr. Satan."

Again, this is assuming we are going to hear the word "Satan" uttered on Nicktoons, which I don't think is a safe bet.