Who is more powerful?

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Re: Who is more powerful?

Post by Darkprince410 » Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:42 pm

mrzisawesome wrote:
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mrzisawesome wrote: Broly destroyed a Galaxy in his restricted form, as was claimed as a universal threat. Hackyak was only claimed as a universal threat, though he could destroy a Galaxy for sure.
He never actually destroyed the Southern Galaxy in one attack though, if that's what you're suggesting. The beginning of movie 8 is basically a time lapse of the destruction Burorii inflicted across the galaxy throughout the majority of his life, as we see flashbacks of him going around blowing up planets as a child and as a teenager.
So you think Kaio Sama just decided to notice that NOW?
It's been shown before that he isn't necessarily even aware of significant threats happening in his own galaxy, let alone the galaxy of another Kaiou. Who's to say that the South Kaiou didn't try to keep it under wraps as best he could until it was too late, and then let North Kaiou know what happened to the Southern Galaxy when it became apparent that the Northern Galaxy was next?

The damage we see to the Southern Galaxy is too inconsistent with a single blast or wave taking out the entire thing, since when we see the galaxy "disc" breaking up, we see holes forming in it at random spots with surrounding areas intact. If it was just a single wave being projected outward, then the damage should be uniform, but it's not. Instead, it looks more consistent with him going to a planetary system, blowing it up, then moving somewhere else, which would fit with the flashbacks we see of Burorii and Paragus.
sj1million wrote:In movie 8, Goku confirmed that Broli's Super Saiyan IS more powerful than all of theirs when he discovered Broli's ki signature. In the night scene, Goku realizes the exact same ki when Broli decides to power up during their confrontation. Paragus soon shows up and tells Broli to not raise his ki any further, revealing more depth to the suppressed Super Saiyan Broli that was already stated to be more powerful than everyone else.
That could simply indicate that he recognized it as the same ki signature, and not necessarily the size of the ki.

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Re: Who is more powerful?

Post by Lucas Abner » Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:47 pm

Please answer this question briefly, because I'm Brazilian :(

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Re: Who is more powerful?

Post by Herms » Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:54 pm

Darkprince410 wrote:It's been shown before that he isn't necessarily even aware of significant threats happening in his own galaxy, let alone the galaxy of another Kaiou. Who's to say that the South Kaiou didn't try to keep it under wraps as best he could until it was too late, and then let North Kaiou know what happened to the Southern Galaxy when it became apparent that the Northern Galaxy was next?
Or perhaps North Kaio did know all along, but didn't do anything because it was all outside his jurisdiction, and therefor simply the South Kaio's problem. It's only after the South Galaxy is finished off and Broli starts to move on to the North Galaxy that North Kaio tells Goku about him.
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Re: Who is more powerful?

Post by Godo » Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:39 pm

Lucas Abner wrote:Please answer this question briefly, because I'm Brazilian :(
This is a great tool: http://translate.google.com/#
It will translate any text into any language. Well, at least the most used ones.
It will translate your English text into Portuguese.

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Re: Who is more powerful?

Post by Lucas Abner » Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:00 pm

Godo wrote:
Lucas Abner wrote:Please answer this question briefly, because I'm Brazilian :(
This is a great tool: http://translate.google.com/#
It will translate any text into any language. Well, at least the most used ones.
It will translate your English text into Portuguese.
Yes, most have some texts that even with translation, nothing can understand ...so I think that's good to talk a little simpler or a better way for me to understand

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Re: Who is more powerful?

Post by mrzisawesome » Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:24 pm

[/quote]It's been shown before that he isn't necessarily even aware of significant threats happening in his own galaxy, let alone the galaxy of another Kaiou. Who's to say that the South Kaiou didn't try to keep it under wraps as best he could until it was too late, and then let North Kaiou know what happened to the Southern Galaxy when it became apparent that the Northern Galaxy was next?

The damage we see to the Southern Galaxy is too inconsistent with a single blast or wave taking out the entire thing, since when we see the galaxy "disc" breaking up, we see holes forming in it at random spots with surrounding areas intact. If it was just a single wave being projected outward, then the damage should be uniform, but it's not. Instead, it looks more consistent with him going to a planetary system, blowing it up, then moving somewhere else, which would fit with the flashbacks we see of Burorii and Paragus.

sj1million wrote:In movie 8, Goku confirmed that Broli's Super Saiyan IS more powerful than all of theirs when he discovered Broli's ki signature. In the night scene, Goku realizes the exact same ki when Broli decides to power up during their confrontation. Paragus soon shows up and tells Broli to not raise his ki any further, revealing more depth to the suppressed Super Saiyan Broli that was already stated to be more powerful than everyone else.


That could simply indicate that he recognized it as the same ki signature, and not necessarily the size of the ki.[/quote]




Then why did Kaio Sama say his galaxy would be next?

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He certainly didn't mean that Broly would be destroying his Galaxy for 10 years, that why he needed Goku's help quickly. Its clear he destroyed the Galaxy using 1 or 2 attacks, Toei just showed in being destroyed the only way that they could think of(and it was different from when they showed Boo destroy a Galaxy, and that you could make a case for being destroyed in more that one attack).

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Re: Who is more powerful?

Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:50 pm

Herms wrote:
Kaboom wrote:Didn't the heroes actually specifically note in the OVA that Hatchyak was stronger than Broly?
I think they say that he "may be" stronger.
Yeah, Goku says: 「ブロリーよりパワーは上かもしんねえ」 They're probably both in the same ballpark. They're both tanks compared to the heroes, anyway. (Hey, Broli's a Saiyan... Wouldn't it be cool to see Hatchihyakku try to take revenge on him?!)
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Post by caejones » Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:03 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote: (Hey, Broli's a Saiyan... Wouldn't it be cool to see Hatchihyakku try to take revenge on him?!)
Why yes, yes it would. If that happened, it would answer this question, maybe?
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Re: Who is more powerful?

Post by SSj_Rambo » Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:39 pm

I do agree with those saying Hatchihyakku is more powerful than Broli, but if we want to get down to it, you have to also wonder about:

2nd Form Hatchihyakku

(destroyed via "Chou Genki Dama")

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and

Giant Hatchihyakku

(destroyed via attack on internal organs (Choukyoshin Piccolo Daimao style))

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Re: Who is more powerful?

Post by hleV » Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:33 am

WTH is Chô Genkidama?

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Re: Who is more powerful?

Post by goku the krump dancer » Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:44 am

hleV wrote:WTH is Chô Genkidama?
Super Spirit Bomb.
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Re: Who is more powerful?

Post by Goku100xKamehameha » Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:12 pm

hleV wrote:WTH is Chô Genkidama?
Cho is a Japanese for big or anything larger than the normal size, I believe.

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Re: Who is more powerful?

Post by Makaioshin » Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:44 pm

hleV wrote:WTH is Chô Genkidama?
Here's a video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIdxvVdE8xI

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Re: Who is more powerful?

Post by hleV » Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:13 pm

Makaioshin wrote:
hleV wrote:WTH is Chô Genkidama?
Here's a video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIdxvVdE8xI
I saw the video, that's why I asked what's that attack. Goku wasn't supposed to be able to use Genki Dama in SSJ form since he's not pure as SSJ.

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Re: Who is more powerful?

Post by Goku100xKamehameha » Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:20 pm

hleV wrote:
Makaioshin wrote:
hleV wrote:WTH is Chô Genkidama?
Here's a video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIdxvVdE8xI
I saw the video, that's why I asked what's that attack. Goku wasn't supposed to be able to use Genki Dama in SSJ form since he's not pure as SSJ.
It's non-canon! What did expect?

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Re: Who is more powerful?

Post by Lucas Abner » Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:24 pm

I saw something that said it hatchyack 10 X stronger than Broly.

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Post by Makaioshin » Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:26 pm

hleV wrote: I saw the video, that's why I asked what's that attack. Goku wasn't supposed to be able to use Genki Dama in SSJ form since he's not pure as SSJ.
It's just a large Genki Dama.
I don't think it's ever said you have to be pure to form a Genki Dama or that Goku was no longer pure in his SSJ state.

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Re: Who is more powerful?

Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:39 pm

Lucas Abner wrote:I saw something that said it hatchyack 10 X stronger than Broly.
Completely false.
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Re: Who is more powerful?

Post by Lucas Abner » Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:07 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:
Lucas Abner wrote:I saw something that said it hatchyack 10 X stronger than Broly.
Completely false.
This proves that is false?

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Re: Who is more powerful?

Post by Darkprince410 » Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:22 pm

There is no official source of information that says that Hatchyhakku is ten times stronger than Burorii. If I remember correctly, this rumor started due to poor translations of Goku's exclamation of Hatchyhakku's strength in comparison to Burorii's, with "ten times" being thrown in there to establish the difference in their strength, when in reality all Goku stated was "might be even greater than Burorii's".
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