.

[Bussani]

Well, not disagreeing with the fact that he's stronger than Goku by a large amount, I'm willing to say that Super Buu was actually stronger than Ssj3 Gotenks as well. If memory serves, after he absorbed Gotenks and Piccolo, Buu made the comment that he had come up with the plan of absorbing the two of them from when he first sensed Gohan's ki on Kaioushin's planet, and that he went to such great lengths to absorb them because he didn't want anyone stronger than him to exist. To me, in knowing that Gohan was going to eventually arrive, as well as the fact that he had devised that plan a good while ago suggests that he might have been intentioinally holding back some during his fight with Gotenks in order to not kill him. After all, outside of Gotenks, there'd be no one powerful enough to absorb to put him above Gohan's strength.

It's certainly possible, but Gohan also points out that Buu could have just absorbed him instead if he wanted to be the strongest. His reply was that it would be pointless without someone strong to fight against, so I don't know if I'd use it as proof that he was superior to Gotenks.

[cpd12589]

In the original version of the anime it does say that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu like 3 times or more. But I think when it comes to peoples opinions who've read the manga and seen the anime it's like 50/50 on which one people think it stronger.

But I've noticed on DB forums I've found that it's more like 60/40 Super Buu over Kid Buu.

[dbgtFO]

In the original version of the anime it does say that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu like 3 times or more. But I think when it comes to peoples opinions who've read the manga and seen the anime it's like 50/50 on which one people think it stronger.

But I've noticed on DB forums I've found that it's more like 60/40 Super Buu over Kid Buu.

From what, I've seen it's 80/20 in favour of Super Buu.

I myself don't believe he is that much stronger, than Goku, because he doesn't have to be, since Goku and Vegeta's initial reactions to Kid Buu are PIS, since we later see, that they both underestimated him and it's only possible for Goku to beat him with a fully charged attack or whatever he was planning.
Super Buu could simply be strong enough for that fully powered attack to have no effect, which would resemble Raditz tanking Goku's Kamehameha.
How I see it, if we compare to the Raditz fight.

Goku = SSJ 3 Goku.
Raditz = Super Buu
Piccolo = Kid Buu.

BTW Bussani's post is gone, but it's visible in the reply section, when you are making a post...

[Bussani]

BTW Bussani's post is gone, but it's visible in the reply section, when you are making a post...

Bah, that glitch is weird. You can also see it here.

I myself don't believe he is that much stronger, than Goku, because he doesn't have to be, since Goku and Vegeta's initial reactions to Kid Buu are PIS, since we later see, that they both underestimated him and it's only possible for Goku to beat him with a fully charged attack or whatever he was planning.

They seem equal in fighting ability to me. It's Buu's regeneration that makes it impossible to put him down without such a built up attack.

[dbgtFO]

BTW Bussani's post is gone, but it's visible in the reply section, when you are making a post...

Bah, that glitch is weird. You can also see it here.

How did you make it appear?

I myself don't believe he is that much stronger, than Goku, because he doesn't have to be, since Goku and Vegeta's initial reactions to Kid Buu are PIS, since we later see, that they both underestimated him and it's only possible for Goku to beat him with a fully charged attack or whatever he was planning.

They seem equal in fighting ability to me. It's Buu's regeneration that makes it impossible to put him down without such a built up attack.

Yeah, Kid Buu and SSJ 3 Goku are equals, they same way, as Piccolo and Goku were (almost equals) back in the fight with Raditz, while Super Buu is Raditz compared to Goku, like I already said. Super Buu being slightly more than 3 times stronger is enough for Goku's comment to make sense. While Super Buu could be more than 1,5 times stronger, than Goku's Kamehameha, as Raditz were according to Daizenshuu 7.
My opinion on the Buus however is always changing, but for now Super Buu is considered the strongest.

since it's stated like 3 times that Kid Buu is the most POWERFUL Buu, or something like that. And yes that comes from the ORIGINAL version of the anime.

I know but if he was just as strong as Super Buu 3 (Buuhan) or stronger then Goku would have to fuse with Vegeta to fight Buu. And I believe Goku said the same thing about getting killed by Super Buu inside of him in the original Japanese anime as well IIRC?

That's TOEI logic for you. If he is stated to be the most powerful in the anime, then he is the most powerful regardless of Goku previously being afraid of an opponent weaker, than him.

[Bussani]

BTW Bussani's post is gone, but it's visible in the reply section, when you are making a post...

Bah, that glitch is weird. You can also see it here.

How did you make it appear?

Fiddled with the URL. Usually the "start" is set to 20, so setting it to 19 should get a lost post to appear.

[dbgtFO]

Bah, that glitch is weird. You can also see it here.

How did you make it appear?

Fiddled with the URL. Usually the "start" is set to 20, so setting it to 19 should get a lost post to appear.

OMG, that is awesome!! Thank you for sharing that information!

[Son Edo]

Shin Boo is stronger in the Anime (Japanese Dub).

[dbgtFO]

Shin Boo is stronger in the Anime (Japanese Dub).

No, I and Savage68 already stated why.

[Son Edo]

Yeah English Dub mate.

[dbgtFO]

Yeah English Dub mate.

From the previous page..

Super Boo is the strongest and Kid Boo is weaker then Super Boo. I never trusted funimation's kid boo story that Kid Boo is the strongest Boo.

FUNimation didn't start that, TOEI did...
FUNimation just translated what was said(well not accurately at some points).

[cpd12589]

Yeah in the English dub and the Original anime it definitely states that Kid Buu is the strongest form of Buu at least 3 times.

I'm definitely interested to see if the dialog at that point changes in DB Kai though.

[p123]

Buutenks states he is the strongest Majin to date. Which is just saying he is stronger than Buff Buu really...

Buuhan
Buutenks
Buff Buu
Buucollo
Super Buu ~ SSJ3 Gotenks
( SSJ2 Gotenks )
SSJ Gotenks
Base Gotenks
SSJ3 Goku ~ Kid Buu ~ SSJ Gotenks Pre Rosat
Fat Buu
Evil BUu
Good Buu


Is how I feel on the matter.


IMO, Kid Buu / SSJ3 Goku are just fodder in comparison to the big boys in the Buu Saga. I think Fat Buu is a hell of a lot closer to Kid Buu's power then Kid Buu is to SUper. I don't see Fat Buu being that far off from Kid Buu.

[cpd12589]

Idk I definitely think Super Buu and Kid Buu are closer in power than Kid Buu and Fat Buu.

[p123]

Fat Buu should be pretty close to Kid Buu. Fat Buu is certainly SSJ3 tier, but he's not equal as we know Goku is sure of his ability to kill Fatty.

Goku implies Super is completely on a different stratosphere. Since when is Goku to fight against people only a little bit stronger than himself? Goku has only been this scared of an opponent when he is drastically outmatched.

Goku admits as much about Semi Cell and Super Buu. I mean Buutenks is way stronger than Super Buu but he's not like 50x stronger, Goku literally asks him to hold off, and shrivels up like a little kid. Goku wants nothing to do with Super Buu or his absorbtions on top of that, he's just way too inferior.


I understnad though, you give Goku this new cool as SSJ3 transformation, and then you make him completely useless? What gives? But hey man, base Gotenks Post is suggested stronger than SSJ Gotenks Pre, who should be in SSj3 Goku's general range of power.

[dbgtFO]

But hey man, base Gotenks Post is suggested stronger than SSJ Gotenks Pre, who should be in SSj3 Goku's general range of power.

Base Gotenks isn't suggested to be anything other, than an overconfident brat. 2 chapter titles points this out very clearly.
Just wanted to say that. I don't want to continue the debate about: SSJ 3 Goku ~ SSJ Gotenks(pre) << base Gotenks(post) and all that stuff.

Goku implies Super is completely on a different stratosphere. Since when is Goku to fight against people only a little bit stronger than himself? Goku has only been this scared of an opponent when he is drastically outmatched.

Goku admits as much about Semi Cell and Super Buu. I mean Buutenks is way stronger than Super Buu but he's not like 50x stronger, Goku literally asks him to hold off, and shrivels up like a little kid. Goku wants nothing to do with Super Buu or his absorbtions on top of that, he's just way too inferior.

Super Buu being 3xGoku is enough for Goku to be scared, just like he were against Raditz. I personally see the difference lower than that, but whatever.

[Herms]

Yeah, this is where a lot of people say Akira Toriyama had something to do with it. Is it true that Akira Toriyama helped Toei Animation with the fusion and Boo material like some people say?

While we know that Toriyama did contribute ideas to filler sometimes, there's no official word on what, if anything, he contributed to the Boo arc filler other than suggesting that fused characters be voiced by having the voice actors/actresses of the fusees speak in unision. I went over all of Toriyama's confirmed contributions to the anime here.

[Kaboom]

Remember, even small advantages or disadvantages can make a big difference when fighting any form of Majin Boo. SSj3 Goku was even with or possibly even stronger than Kid Boo, but ultimately lost because Boo's near-infinite stamina and regeneration outlasted SSj3 and its power drain. In the same way, Super Boo could possibly only be, like... a 12 to Goku's 10 in terms of raw power, but even that would still mean it's a hopeless battle for Goku.

[cpd12589]

I don't think base Super Buu is that much stronger than SSJ3 Goku at that time either. I mean he's obviously stronger by a significant amount but I don't think it's by leaps and bounds.

[p123]

I like your idea on Goku/Kid/Super DBGTOFO

How they equal Goku/Piccoo/Raditz scenario.


I am starting to warm up to Goku >= Kid Buu more and more...

Super Buu could plausibly be ridicolousy stronger than Goku. I think a lot of people can't help but overrate Goku, it is hard especially with his new form. But judging by him not wanting to have anything to do with Super buu, yet doesn't see a problem taking on Raditz, I think Super's advantage over Goku being in the Raditz range or above wouldn't be a big deal considering the comparison of those quotes..