Z Fighters strongest to weakest

[Kirby456]

The kids are way above #18 IMHO. Base Trunks battles evenly with #18 before the RoSaT, and their SSjin forms make Piccolo crap himself. They're strongly implied to surpass their SSjin in their bases (I have Base Gotenks (Post) 5x stronger than SSjin Gotenks (Pre) myself) so IMO Base Goten (Post) >>> SSjin Goten (Pre) >> Piccolo >>> Base Goten (Pre) >= #18

Just my view on the #18/Kids issue.

i don't agree, Piccolo was just surprised the kids were at that level, i mean come on there 7 and can go Super Saiyan!, also i don't think the kids got that much stronger in the Rosat, they were only there for 2 months, Remember no >>> Chains, this is just my personal view.

[Michsi]

...their SSjin forms make Piccolo crap himself.

Is this filler too?

[CatouttaHell]

Is this filler too?

No. No it isn't.

[Michsi]

Is this filler too?

No. No it isn't.

I honestly think "crapping himself" isn't even close to right, but oh well. That was immense surprise , I admit. There are plenty of cases where a character stronger than the other gets taken by surprise by the power displayed by the "weaker one." He doesn't display any of that amazement when Gotenks first appears as SSJ and he was way above what we see here, if that's anything to go by.

[CatouttaHell]

I honestly think "crapping himself" isn't even close to right, but oh well. That was immense surprise , I admit. There are plenty of cases where a character stronger than the other gets taken by surprise by the power displayed by the "weaker one." He doesn't display any of that amazement when Gotenks first appears as SSJ and he was way above what we see here, if that's anything to go by.

Good point about Gotenks. My main basis for SSjin Goten >>> Piccolo is because he was shown sparring with SSjin Gohan and making him sweat and I'm a Base Saiya-jins >>> Piccolo believer but Piccolo's reaction to the SSjin Kids said a lot too I think. In the Anime Piccolo is shown to be shocked by SSjin Gotenks but in the manga he is merely shown to be overpowered by the gust of wind creating by SSjin Gotenks' sheer incredible power. You're right that he isn't amazed at Gotenks but I think the way he physically reacted to his power spoke volumes too.

[Michsi]

Good point about Gotenks. My main basis for SSjin Goten >>> Piccolo is because he was shown sparring with SSjin Gohan and making him sweat

A recurring theme in the beginning of the Buu Saga was Gohan's heavily weakened state. Him almost having his face smashed in by a roch thrown by Goten , was as much to show us how weak he had gotten as it was to show that Goten was stronger than he thought. Maybe even a little more for former.
You seem to mind the animer fillers, so iirc, in filler scene base Goten is shown to having problems facing Chichi and transforms againts her, so yeah, that doesn't really go in his favor. This is alos implied in the manga since Goten says he spars with his mother and Chichi knows about his SSJ form.

[CatouttaHell]

A recurring theme in the beginning of the Buu Saga was Gohan's heavily weakened state. Him almost having his face smashed in by a roch thrown by Goten , was as much to show us how weak he had gotten as it was to show that Goten was stronger than he thought. Maybe even a little more for former.
You seem to mind the animer fillers, so iirc, in filler scene base Goten is shown to having problems facing Chichi and transforms againts her, so yeah, that doesn't really go in his favor. This is alos implied in the manga since Goten says he spars with his mother and Chichi knows about his SSJ form.

Well Trunks got a hit in on SSjin Vegeta and SSjin Vegeta wasn't weakened. And the Daizenshuu states Son Gohan didn't get weaker from not training. I see what you're saying about Chichi but I don't think it means all that much personally. You don't necessarily have to be stronger than someone to teach them how to fight/spar with them. Manga-wise since we don't see how Chichi found out maybe he showed it to her just as a "look, mum! Look what I can do!" type of thing? And Base Goten having problems facing Chichi I think may be either Toei hax or the whole thing just being psychological and him being scared of her just because she's his mother. He may be insanely strong but it was still his martial artist mother who was attacking him while he was a seven year old boy. He may have been scared and thought he needed SSjin because of the psychological aspect to it?

[ThunderPX]

Personally I don't believe any base Saiyan can match Piccolo except maybe Goku. You have to take into account that most of the Saiyans' power comes from their transformations, and that Piccolo could give any SSJ1 a run for their money in the Cell arc. Since Gohan was slacking, he definitely hasn't improved since the Cell arc and is actually implied to have gotten weaker, so his base form wouldn't be anywhere close to Piccolo. As for Vegeta, while he apparently managed to get SSJ2 in the seven year timeskip, he doesn't seem to be pushing himself particularly hard when we see him training with Trunks in the gravity room; it looks more like he's just keeping himself in shape rather than the crazy lengths he went to to get stronger back when he had Goku to compete with. I'd say that his base form probably still isn't stronger than Piccolo.

I'd probably rank everyone something like this:
1. Vegetto - Obviously the strongest "character," given that he was pretty much able to mop the floor with Buu, who had absorbed Gohan.
2. Son Gohan - Okay, time for a confession: I've never seen his fight against Buu. But from what I understand, he was more successful at beating up Super Buu than Gotenks, so I'm placing him here.
3. Gotenks
4. Son Goku
5. Vegeta
6. Piccolo - I'm placing him above Goten and Trunks since, like I mentioned before, I think he's still stronger than any SSJ1. On top of that, Goten and Trunks are kids, so it's unlikely that their base forms are anywhere near as well-trained as those of the other Saiyans.
7. Android #18 - Piccolo doesn't seem to have done any intense training post-Cell arc. I guess it's sort of like with Vegeta, where he stayed in shape but didn't do a whole lot more than that. 18 herself certainly didn't get any stronger (I'm not sure if she even could, since she's an Artificial Human, but I don't think that's ever explained very well) and just hung around Kame House with Kuririn. Since Piccolo was about evenly matched with #17 before, and 17 and 18 seem to be about equal, I'd put Piccolo above 18.
7. Trunks
8. Goten
9. Tenshinhan - Up until now I always thought Kuririn would've been stronger than Tenshinhan. But the truth is, Tenshinhan is slightly stronger than Kuririn in the Saiyan arc (according to the Daizenshuu), and trained with Kaio-sama afterwards, which Kuririn never did. On top of that, Tenshinhan continued to train even in the Buu arc, when Kuririn had essentially retired until #18 made him enter the Tenkaichi Budokai. Since this gives Tenshinhan two sizable jumps over Kuririn while already being stronger, I'm putting Tenshinhan above Kuririn.
10. Kuririn
11. Yamcha
12. Yajirobe - A lot of people forget that Goku was pretty impressed by Yajirobe when he first appeared. I also believe Yajirobe, despite being lazy and irritating, did some decent training while at Kami's place since he was able to cut Vegeta's tail with ease despite the Saiyans having trained their tails. Of course, that's about it for Yajirobe's accomplishments, but it still saves him from the bottom spot.
13. Chaozu - Chaozu sucks and I hate him.

I've intentionally excluded some character that other people listed; Gogeta isn't canon and I don't really consider Pan and Master Roshi to be part of the "Z Fighters."

[Kirby456]

Personally I don't believe any base Saiyan can match Piccolo except maybe Goku. You have to take into account that most of the Saiyans' power comes from their transformations, and that Piccolo could give any SSJ1 a run for their money in the Cell arc. Since Gohan was slacking, he definitely hasn't improved since the Cell arc and is actually implied to have gotten weaker, so his base form wouldn't be anywhere close to Piccolo. As for Vegeta, while he apparently managed to get SSJ2 in the seven year timeskip, he doesn't seem to be pushing himself particularly hard when we see him training with Trunks in the gravity room; it looks more like he's just keeping himself in shape rather than the crazy lengths he went to to get stronger back when he had Goku to compete with. I'd say that his base form probably still isn't stronger than Piccolo.

I'd probably rank everyone something like this:
1. Vegetto - Obviously the strongest "character," given that he was pretty much able to mop the floor with Buu, who had absorbed Gohan.
2. Son Gohan - Okay, time for a confession: I've never seen his fight against Buu. But from what I understand, he was more successful at beating up Super Buu than Gotenks, so I'm placing him here.
3. Gotenks
4. Son Goku
5. Vegeta
6. Piccolo - I'm placing him above Goten and Trunks since, like I mentioned before, I think he's still stronger than any SSJ1. On top of that, Goten and Trunks are kids, so it's unlikely that their base forms are anywhere near as well-trained as those of the other Saiyans.
7. Android #18 - Piccolo doesn't seem to have done any intense training post-Cell arc. I guess it's sort of like with Vegeta, where he stayed in shape but didn't do a whole lot more than that. 18 herself certainly didn't get any stronger (I'm not sure if she even could, since she's an Artificial Human, but I don't think that's ever explained very well) and just hung around Kame House with Kuririn. Since Piccolo was about evenly matched with #17 before, and 17 and 18 seem to be about equal, I'd put Piccolo above 18.
7. Trunks
8. Goten
9. Tenshinhan - Up until now I always thought Kuririn would've been stronger than Tenshinhan. But the truth is, Tenshinhan is slightly stronger than Kuririn in the Saiyan arc (according to the Daizenshuu), and trained with Kaio-sama afterwards, which Kuririn never did. On top of that, Tenshinhan continued to train even in the Buu arc, when Kuririn had essentially retired until #18 made him enter the Tenkaichi Budokai. Since this gives Tenshinhan two sizable jumps over Kuririn while already being stronger, I'm putting Tenshinhan above Kuririn.
10. Kuririn
11. Yamcha
12. Yajirobe - A lot of people forget that Goku was pretty impressed by Yajirobe when he first appeared. I also believe Yajirobe, despite being lazy and irritating, did some decent training while at Kami's place since he was able to cut Vegeta's tail with ease despite the Saiyans having trained their tails. Of course, that's about it for Yajirobe's accomplishments, but it still saves him from the bottom spot.
13. Chaozu - Chaozu sucks and I hate him.

I've intentionally excluded some character that other people listed; Gogeta isn't canon and I don't really consider Pan and Master Roshi to be part of the "Z Fighters."

this list is identical to my list, hey dude also Yajirobe did get stronger your right, V Jump gave him a Power Level of 970.

[CatouttaHell]

There's just no way in hell that Chaozu didn't surpass Yajirobe.

[Kirby456]

There's just no way in hell that Chaozu didn't surpass Yajirobe.

Chaozu surpassed Yajirobe, he defeated Guldo, but Yajirobe has by far more potential then Chaozu and Yamcha.

[Nikkolas]

End of Z
1. Vegetto
2. Gogeta
3. Anime Son Goku
4. Son Gohan

By "Anime Son Goku" you mean the movies right? Because even in the actual anime Goku was weaker than Gohan.

Unless you're talking about the actual end of Z levels after the timeskip. Gohan probably got weaker while Goku continued to train so I guess Goku might have gotten stronger by then.

Potential
1. Son Goten
2. Son Goku
3. Son Pan
4. Son Gohan
5. Trunks
6.

Goku having more potential than Gohan is something I've never heard anyone say and I'm curious why you believe so.

[CatouttaHell]

By "Anime Son Goku" you mean the movies right? Because even in the actual anime Goku was weaker than Gohan.

Unless you're talking about the actual end of Z levels after the timeskip. Gohan probably got weaker while Goku continued to train so I guess Goku might have gotten stronger by then.

Well in the Anime He did a lot better against Bootenks IMO. You have to realise, Bootenks was actually worried about the fusion and had little time left when he fought Son Goku and yet Son wasn't hurt at all from any of his attacks. The closest He looked to being worn down was being somewhat sweaty, and that was probably from the strain of SSjin 3.

I kind of screwed up the list as I believe Manga SSjin 3 Goku > Chou Gohan by the End of DBZ. Anime and GT wise I think SSjin 3 Goku would roflstomp Chou Gohan easily.

Goku having more potential than Gohan is something I've never heard anyone say and I'm curious why you believe so.

Well this guy was talking about GT as well so I took into account GT. IMO Chou Gohan is just as strong as GT Base Gohan, and he just somehow got his SSjin form back. And in GT we see that Base Goku >> SSjin Gohan. The giant lead He has on Son Gohan just makes me really doubt Son Gohan has more potential. IMO his potential is just the one that is most talked about, because his "hidden power" gets drawn out at least three times in the series and he constantly brings some of it out by raging. Son Goten has far more potential than anyone IMO and yet it's not touched upon much. But it seems to be evident since Trunks has amazing potential himself and yet Trunks is barely stronger than Son Goten despite doing gravity training while Goten faffs around in the forest and gets trained by his weakling mother. This is part of the reason I think Post-RoSaT Son Goten > Post-RoSaT Trunks. Just my interpretation though.

[Kid Buu]

While I think Gohan is stronger than his father ki -wise I think Goku is the better fighetr and I see him winning aqainst Gohan.

'Better fighter' doesn't mean much in Dragonball (yes, including pre-Z). Gohan would stomp anybody except Vegetto.

Instant Transmission + Destructo Disk from behind combo

Yes, Goku can beat Gohan.

[Michsi]

Well Trunks got a hit in on SSjin Vegeta and SSjin Vegeta wasn't weakened. And the Daizenshuu states Son Gohan didn't get weaker from not training. I see what you're saying about Chichi but I don't think it means all that much personally. You don't necessarily have to be stronger than someone to teach them how to fight/spar with them. Manga-wise since we don't see how Chichi found out maybe he showed it to her just as a "look, mum! Look what I can do!" type of thing? And Base Goten having problems facing Chichi I think may be either Toei hax or the whole thing just being psychological and him being scared of her just because she's his mother. He may be insanely strong but it was still his martial artist mother who was attacking him while he was a seven year old boy. He may have been scared and thought he needed SSjin because of the psychological aspect to it?

Trunks was already in SSJ form when he got hit by Vegeta and I was talking about what caused Goten to go SSJ. While I also thought it was a bit of an exageration , for me it was to prove just how easily they achive SSJ , not needing even 10% of the effort the others did. Iirc,he wasn't just scared, he couldn't keep up with her. Anyway, it IS in anime and it MAY be in the manga.

But you also have to accept that plenty of other things that the anime adds could be Toei hax, not just this.

And I think this is one of those situation where the Daizenshuu contradicts the manga, because it is clearly stated at least twice and confirmed by Goku that ,yes, Gohan was weaker.

[Herms]

And the Daizenshuu states Son Gohan didn't get weaker from not training.

Where?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Where?

I'm assuming he means from the "Growing Up" section in Daiz 2, Gohan's high school section says:

Many years after the battle with Cell, Gohan had become a high school student. Due to either Chi Chi's influence or him neglecting to train, his strength hadn't changed since he was a boy.

But this is also kinda contradicted by the SS2 entry right below it:

During the Tenkaichi Budoukai he transforms at Kibito's request. Because he couldn't gain power from anger and because he hadn't been training, he doesn't have the same battle power as when he defeated Cell.

Combining the two together, it seems his SS2 transformation also benefited from the rage boost (like I've always assumed), and SS2 didn't manifest as a rage boost replacement. So he was weaker than when he fought Cell, but only because of the RAGE!!1!1 not activating. lol It seems his actual power from when he exited the RoSaT didn't decrease, only his skills got rusty.

[Scorpio Kardia]

There comes a point where it's hard to say who is stronger than who.

For example what information do we have about Chiaotzu that allows us to say if he is more powerful than Yamcha by the end of Z? All we know is that Yamcha stopped training but Chiaotzu was never really that powerful to begin with...nor do we know if he even kept training hard.

One thing i can say for sure is that Vegetto is the most powerful being in DBZ, i think all lists agree on that.

[Super Saiyajin Luffy]

Boo Saga:

1. Vegetto: Clear
2. Gohan: clear, too
3. Gotenks
4. Goku
5. Vegeta
6. Mr. Boo: The good Boo is only half as strong than the original fat Boo. I would put him somewhere near Cell-Arc SSJ2 Gohan.
7. Future Trunks: Everyone is forgetting about this warrior, we know, that he is stronger than Piccolo in the Cell-Saga, we know, that he is a warrior. He could train in the future to achieve SSJ2, but without SSJ2, he would be definitely weaker than Mr. Boo.
8. Piccolo: Stronger than C17/C18
9. C18
10. Tenshinhan: I believe, Tenshinhan is actually stronger than Trunks and Goten as SSJ. Yeah, there is no evidence, that he is stronger than both kids, but he trains 7 years. He can be stronger than the 2 little brats.
11. (Present Timeline) Trunks: powerful, badboy, but overrated
12. Goten: Cute, powerful, but overrated
13. Krillin
14. Yamcha: He fails everytime xD [Yamcha corpse FTW]
15. Yajirobi
16. Chaozu

[ThunderPX]

There's just no way in hell that Chaozu didn't surpass Yajirobe.

Chaozu surpassed Yajirobe, he defeated Guldo, but Yajirobe has by far more potential then Chaozu and Yamcha.

I don't count the humans vs. Ginyu Force filler because of how ridiculously improbable it is. For that to work, they would have made a far greater jump in several days than Goku did in a year, which would've been improbable even without Goku's hax potential.

Nonetheless, Chaozu is probably stronger than Yajirobe, but he's such a pointless character that I put him at the bottom anyway.

6. Mr. Boo: The good Boo is only half as strong than the original fat Boo. I would put him somewhere near Cell-Arc SSJ2 Gohan.
7. Future Trunks: Everyone is forgetting about this warrior, we know, that he is stronger than Piccolo in the Cell-Saga, we know, that he is a warrior. He could train in the future to achieve SSJ2, but without SSJ2, he would be definitely weaker than Mr. Boo.

You're right, we did forget about Future Trunks! I'd put him in-between Piccolo and Vegeta on my list, so I guess we agree on that.
As for Mr. Boo, I didn't include him on my list, but I don't remember it being explained that he was half as strong as the original Fat Boo. I suppose, if anything, he'd be even weaker than that since the majority of his power was given to Thin Buu.