The origins of the name DB "Hеrcule"?

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Re: The origins of the name DB "Hеrcule"?

Post by Son Satan » Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:48 pm

the_abberration wrote: Hmm. I think they should have went with Sampson in that case. I think there may have been more potential for the irony of his character. Especially when you see him in GT.
Nah, that's too deep for the kids. :P
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Re: The origins of the name DB "Hеrcule"?

Post by matt0044 » Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:54 pm

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the_abberration wrote: Hmm. I think they should have went with Sampson in that case. I think there may have been more potential for the irony of his character. Especially when you see him in GT.
Nah, that's too deep for the kids. :P
It's be a hidden depth for parents or older viewers. Like kids don't need to know but when they find out they'll be slapping their forehand in realization. Plus, Mister Sampson sounds neat.

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Re: The origins of the name DB "Hеrcule"?

Post by Hades » Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:24 pm

I think Mr. Savage would have actually fit. Before anyone suggests that parents would complain about the name, DC had a villain named Vandal Savage without anywhere near as much complaints. Indeed, his name was kept unaltered throughout the Justice League run (on Toonami IIRC), so I think Mr. Savage would have gone through without too many complaints.

ETA: That said, it would have been interesting for Vandal Savage and Garlic Jr. to meet in a bar and discuss their failed schemes of world domination.
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Re: The origins of the name DB "Hеrcule"?

Post by Rocketman » Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:49 pm

Vandal Savage doesn't have any of the trappings of a wrestler, though.

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Post by Hades » Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:34 am

Rocketman wrote:Vandal Savage doesn't have any of the trappings of a wrestler, though.
True, but just saying that the precedent is there.
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:09 am

Or they could've just called him "Mr. Saturn". It does sound like the Japanese "Satan" anyway.
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Post by dbboxkaifan » Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:17 am

Piccolo Daimao wrote:Or they could've just called him "Mr. Saturn". It does sound like the Japanese "Satan" anyway.
Maybe to you it does.

They say something like MIS-TAH SAH-TAN

I don't remember ever hearing a "Saturn" on Mr. Satan's Japanese pronunciation, plus, if they called him Mr. Saturn on the English dub it'd probably make some confusion with the Sega Saturn and whatnot.
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Re: The origins of the name DB "Hеrcule"?

Post by Rukura » Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:26 am

dbboxkaifan wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:Or they could've just called him "Mr. Saturn". It does sound like the Japanese "Satan" anyway.
Maybe to you it does.
Or you could maybe look into it to see that he's right.

Saturn - サターン
Satan - サタン

Being that the only difference is that extended "ta" sound, if there were no visual references in the show (which there are plenty, as we know), it would've been an understandable misunderstanding on FUNimation's part. (...or if they wanted to change it to something less ridiculous than...what they went with)
dbboxkaifan wrote:if they called him Mr. Saturn on the English dub it'd probably make some confusion with the Sega Saturn and whatnot.
There's a planet with that name. Pretty sure Sega doesn't own the copyright on that.
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Post by Rocketman » Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:54 am

Rukura wrote:There's a planet with that name. Pretty sure Sega doesn't own the copyright on that.
Sure, but there's already a "Mr. Saturn" that Nintendo owns.

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Re: The origins of the name DB "Hеrcule"?

Post by dbboxkaifan » Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:54 am

Rukura wrote:There's a planet with that name. Pretty sure Sega doesn't own the copyright on that.
This is why I said "and whatnot", Rukura.
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Re: The origins of the name DB "Hеrcule"?

Post by Rukura » Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:55 am

Rocketman wrote:
Rukura wrote:There's a planet with that name. Pretty sure Sega doesn't own the copyright on that.
Sure, but there's already a "Mr. Saturn" that Nintendo owns.

Boing.
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Post by dbboxkaifan » Sat Jul 07, 2012 4:38 pm

What if instead of Mr. Satan they used Mr. Stan?
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Post by Gaffer Tape » Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:10 pm

I think I would have literally laughed my ass off if that had been the case.
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Re: The origins of the name DB "Hеrcule"?

Post by TonyTheTiger » Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:12 am

Mr. Savage, or Mr. Anything for that matter, would have been terrible. Or at least would have bothered people here moreso than Hercule for one reason in particular. Hercule worked out because it didn't outright remove the name "Mr. Satan" from the canon. It supplemented it in it's unique way but they were still able to call him "Mr. Satan" when they felt appropriate without any internal conflict. Meanwhile, if they had used "Mr. X" then prepare for him to always be Mr. X. There's something about character names where it's just harder to change them once they've been established.

Mr. Savage would have been fun, though, if only for the Macho Man association. It would have made Videl's name kinda meaningless in the process but given how the guy behaves, the reference wouldn't be wholly inappropriate.

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Post by SilverPlaqueVII » Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:53 pm

TonyTheTiger wrote:Mr. Savage, or Mr. Anything for that matter, would have been terrible. Or at least would have bothered people here moreso than Hercule for one reason in particular. Hercule worked out because it didn't outright remove the name "Mr. Satan" from the canon. It supplemented it in it's unique way but they were still able to call him "Mr. Satan" when they felt appropriate without any internal conflict. Meanwhile, if they had used "Mr. X" then prepare for him to always be Mr. X. There's something about character names where it's just harder to change them once they've been established.

Mr. Savage would have been fun, though, if only for the Macho Man association. It would have made Videl's name kinda meaningless in the process but given how the guy behaves, the reference wouldn't be wholly inappropriate.
Otherwise, they should've used Mark Savage or Mark Hercule for that Matter. Mark, who Akira Toriyama unveiled Mr. Satan's real name in 2009's Shonen Jump interview, plays in the anagram word "akuma" (豪鬼, Gōki, lit. "Great Demon") rearranged into this word, "Mark" (マーク, Maaku), which essentially means, devil or demon. Akuma is also a SF Character name as well.

If you guys want, Mark is a good appropriate name.
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Re: The origins of the name DB "Hеrcule"?

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:54 pm

I don't think Toriyama had come out and said that Mr. Satan's real name was "Mark" by the time FUNimation got round to dubbing the late Cell arc.
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Re: The origins of the name DB "Hеrcule"?

Post by CaBrPi » Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:21 pm

They could've used Mr. Satyr. In American English, it's pronounced with a long "a" sound, so it's actually very similar to "Satan".

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Re: The origins of the name DB "Hеrcule"?

Post by Selsiuss » Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:41 pm

Calling him "Mr. Savage" would have been better because it reminds me of "Macho Man" Randy Savage. There are people who's real last names are "Savage," so are kids not supposed to say their own last name because it's "too violent?"

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Re: The origins of the name DB "Hеrcule"?

Post by Super Sonic » Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:47 pm

I think it's less of sounding violent, and more because it reminded guys of Macho Man. They probably thought the jokes were too easy.

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Post by Rocketman » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:10 am

Also the itty bitty fact that it would probably be trademark infringement.

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