Summer Vacation Special

[AnimeMaakuo]

It's a waste it should have been kept here in the comunitie.
It's getting the rareness gang banged out of it now on the Net, what a waste.

It does. I think it stinks that Kei asked not for others to share it but they did it anyway. That's not right. If the other copy was released (1st post) I don't think it would be too bad since it was already up before being taken down for whatever reason.

I agree that it never should have been shared if Kei didn't want it to be shared, BUT the notion that the material itself needs to stay rare is beyond silly to me. It's not a map to El Dorado or the coordinates to Atlantis. It's Dragon Ball animation. The series, outside of making money, was created for everyone to enjoy. It'd be a different story if it were a rare action figure you got MIB and don't want to open, but it's old and obscure animation that's already been ripped to a digital file. Hording old material like that which can't really be bought just for the sake of buffing up your collection doesn't exactly seem like honoring the shonen spirit for which the series is known.

Of course I'm not talking about pirating material which was readily available for purchase, but it's such a shame that everyone can't just enjoy the franchise's "lost" material without jumping to that adult "MINE, must protect" mind set.

Okay, guy. Get off your high horse. Nobody is hording anything. Should rich people share their hard earned money? No. Should I share treasure that I discover? No. Kei was given the tape by someone he knew and was told not to distribute said content without his permission. It's only natural for someone to say "fuck you, I'm not sharing anymore of my old stuff".

Sure, it's not a map to El Dorado, but a rare moment in time. You can sit there and stomp your feet but it's not going to get you anywhere. It's his stuff, and he can do whatever he wants with it.

[thomas1up]

I agree that it never should have been shared if Kei didn't want it to be shared, BUT the notion that the material itself needs to stay rare is beyond silly to me. It's not a map to El Dorado or the coordinates to Atlantis. It's Dragon Ball animation. The series, outside of making money, was created for everyone to enjoy. It'd be a different story if it were a rare action figure you got MIB and don't want to open, but it's old and obscure animation that's already been ripped to a digital file. Hording old material like that which can't really be bought just for the sake of buffing up your collection doesn't exactly seem like honoring the shonen spirit for which the series is known.

Of course I'm not talking about pirating material which was readily available for purchase, but it's such a shame that everyone can't just enjoy the franchise's "lost" material without jumping to that adult "MINE, must protect" mind set.

Okay, guy. Get off your high horse. Nobody is hording anything. Should rich people share their hard earned money? No. Should I share treasure that I discover? No. Kei was given the tape by someone he knew and was told not to distribute said content without his permission. It's only natural for someone to say "fuck you, I'm not sharing anymore of my old stuff".

Sure, it's not a map to El Dorado, but a rare moment in time. You can sit there and stomp your feet but it's not going to get you anywhere. It's his stuff, and he can do whatever he wants with it.

I do wish this cool stuff was able to be seen by everybody but if someone worked hard to get it and doesn't want to share it, it's up to them what they wanna do with it.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Okay, guy. Get off your high horse. Nobody is hording anything. Should rich people share their hard earned money? No. Should I share treasure that I discover? No. Kei was given the tape by someone he knew and was told not to distribute said content without his permission. It's only natural for someone to say "fuck you, I'm not sharing anymore of my rare stuff".

Sure, it's not a map to El Dorado, but a rare moment in time which he happens to own. You can sit there and stomp your feet but it's not going to do anything. It's his stuff, and he can do whatever he wants with it.

Wow, you always seem to jump on everything as some personal offense, don't you? I'm not stomping my feet and throwing a childish tantrum because everyone has something I don't. Who cares? I've already seen most of the special prior to this and it's not really anything worth crying about. I'm not asking anyone to share their riches either. I'm simply stating my opinion that I find it disappointing that a lot of people out there care more about being a collector with that "special animation" than sharing the enjoyment of Dragon Ball with their fellow fans and allowing them to experience that rare moment in Dragon Ball history too.

That said, I did start my previous post by agreeing it was wrong of whoever betrayed Kei's trust and uploaded the file against his wishes. I also never said Kei should go and share it if he doesn't want to, especially if he was told not to share the copy by the person who gave it to him.

It's not my "high horse". I'm not trying to start some holier than thou crusade to bring all DB animation to the people. It's just my opinion. Was just speaking in general, so please drop the attitude.

[DBGod]

Okay, guy. Get off your high horse. Nobody is hording anything.

Your hording practically all of the original Japanese broadcast recordings...

Should rich people share their hard earned money? No. Should I share treasure that I discover? No. Kei was given the tape by someone he knew and was told not to distribute said content without his permission. It's only natural for someone to say "fuck you, I'm not sharing anymore of my old stuff".

I can tell based on the first sentence that your very right winged. Its completely subjective if sharing with the lower class is a good or bad thing, there is no definitive answer, that's why we have politics.. Kei gave me a lot of his material but I have yet to share it to anyone. Does your statement apply to me as well?

Sure, it's not a map to El Dorado, but a rare moment in time. You can sit there and stomp your feet but it's not going to get you anywhere. It's his stuff, and he can do whatever he wants with it.

I agree with you on here, its his, he can do what ever he wants to with it. He told me to no share it, and I wont. However, that doesn't necessarily mean its a good thing to do. By your logic, if someone found a cure for cancer, they wouldn't have to share it if they didn't want to because of how "rare" it is.

@TheDevilsCorpse I agree with you 100%. Owning a lot of rare material is no excuse to act arrogant.

[AnimeMaakuo]

Your hording practically all of the original Japanese broadcast recordings...

Sorry you feel this way.

I can tell based on the first sentence that your very right winged. Its completely subjective if sharing with the lower class is a good or bad thing, there is no definitive answer, that's why we have politics.. Kei gave me a lot of his material but I have yet to share it to anyone. Does your statement apply to me as well?

That's your opinion.

I agree with you on here, its his, he can do what ever he wants to with it. He told me to no share it, and I wont. However, that doesn't necessarily mean its a good thing to do. By your logic, if someone found a cure for cancer, they wouldn't have to share it if they didn't want to because of how "rare" it is.

@TheDevilsCorpse I agree with you 100%. Owning a lot of rare material is no excuse to act arrogant.

Your "finding a cure for cancer" is a bunch of hogwash. A television special does not equate to "finding a cure for cancer".

[LordCrumb]

Wait, someone here has original recordings of the japanese broadcast? the audio must be better than the DVD releases then surely..

share!

[VegettoEX]

"Sorry you feel that way" and "That's your opinion" is the epitome of "I don't actually wish to have a conversation with any of you".

If that's the case, please don't bother posting at all.

Further non-contributions like this will result in permanent strikes lodged against your account, which can and will add up to temporary/permanent account bans.

[samuraix123]

That is definitely my rip and I gave it to a limited number of people who asked me for the special on PM on the promise of not giving it to anyone else, but now it's somehow openly available. Sigh.

It was not for the sake of my possessive feeling. I borrowed the recording from an old Japanese fan and I digitized it for him, so I didn't want it to be openly available this way without his permission.

It definitely wasn't me. I can barely upload anything online without it taking a century! My ping is 12ms download speed is 2.79mbps and a 1.01mbps LOL I'm actually surprised this topic hasn't been locked and the link removed.

[dbboxkaifan]

Wait, someone here has original recordings of the japanese broadcast? the audio must be better than the DVD releases then surely..

share!

They're holding something hostage of which is hard to find and if their copies are rotten then not only is it their loss but the world's lost that possibility too. Still, I've seen DB-Z-GT with the muffled audio they have and I don't have any problems with it but it'd be nice to have seen with the broadcast audio instead.

All in all it's their decision to either make it available or not.

I personally don't find this rare stuff all that interesting so I couldn't careless.

[Ajay]

Regarding the broadcast audio; I had it explained to me this way:

This is audio that is above and beyond the quality that is currently being used on home releases. It is the closest possible thing to the original audio in existence and getting it into the hands of someone official is absolutely key. As far as I know, TOEI turned down the audio whereas Chris Sabat was happy to take it all and store it at his studio to try and push on FUNi at a later date.

Something is hopefully being done with it. It's important that this audio be mastered properly and released sometime in the future for all fans to enjoy and to keep the series selling. Surely as fans that's what we want? To see the series thrive?

If that broadcast audio is shared freely and ends up on The Pirate Bay, a piracy website or any other such site (which it inevitably would), there goes your chance at a definitive release. There goes a chunk of sales from die hard fans for future releases. No company in their right mind is going to use audio that first popped up on a damn public tracker.

It might seem like hoarding, excessive secrecy, and child-like 'mine' behavior but it's for a good cause overall. Heck, it's not like Kei or AnimeMaakuo have ever particularly stingy with their stuff. From my experiences with the two of them, they've been incredibly friendly and welcoming and happy to share the occasional thing here and there.

It's a real shame that somebody had to make such a childish decision to break someone's trust and has therefore killed the kindness of someone who was very happy to throw things out there in good faith.

[samuraix123]

Someone uploaded the full version of this special on YouTube. I thought that I should point this out because until now we have only some clips and not the whole special. So in case someone wants to check it out, here is the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF1T2Bx67P0

My version(the one I got off kei) is different than this one. mine doesn't have the circus thing in the beginning..

[dbboxkaifan]

Someone uploaded the full version of this special on YouTube. I thought that I should point this out because until now we have only some clips and not the whole special. So in case someone wants to check it out, here is the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF1T2Bx67P0

My version(the one I got off kei) is different than this one. mine doesn't have the circus thing in the beginning..

There's two circulating the internet, this is the first and the other is adless.

[MCDaveG]

Wow, what was that soft porn commercial about?!

[kei17]

Regarding the broadcast audio; I had it explained to me this way:

This is audio that is above and beyond the quality that is currently being used on home releases. It is the closest possible thing to the original audio in existence and getting it into the hands of someone official is absolutely key. As far as I know, TOEI turned down the audio whereas Chris Sabat was happy to take it all and store it at his studio to try and push on FUNi at a later date.

Something is hopefully being done with it. It's important that this audio be mastered properly and released sometime in the future for all fans to enjoy and to keep the series selling. Surely as fans that's what we want? To see the series thrive?

My highest-priority has been making currently rare things officialy available on future releases instead of gratifying my possessive feeling. I've been trying hard to appeal to the official side.

I do want to share my entire collection with people here if there's nothing harmful with it because I am not one of those extremely possessive collectors TheDevilsCorpse is talking about, but that'd definitely affect possible future official releases in a negative way as you say.

I never thought that this special would be officially released someday considering its near-worthless actual contents in it, so this is not the case here, but something like this happening is enough for me to decide not to easily give out my collection from now on.

[Gaffer Tape]

Something I did notice that caught my interest: In the cast credits at the end, Chaozu's name is written in kana! I've never seen that before. Never. I've only ever seen it in kanji. In fact, I'm so used to seeing the characters' names, I can recognize most of them just at a glance, even though I'm not fluent. But Chaozu tripped me up. Like, "Who the hell is that? Let me sound it out. Chi... ya... o... Wait, what?!"

[TheDevilsCorpse]

My highest-priority has been making currently rare things officially available on future releases instead of gratifying my possessive feeling. I've been trying hard to appeal to the official side.

I do want to share my entire collection with people here if there's nothing harmful with it because I am not one of those extremely possessive collectors TheDevilsCorpse is talking about, but that'd definitely affect possible future official releases in a negative way as you say.

I never thought that this special would be officially released someday considering its near-worthless actual contents in it, so this is not the case here, but something like this happening is enough for me to decide not to easily give out my collection from now on.

Just noting once again that you were never included as a possessive collector in my posts, It was just a general thought about the idea of some of these materials needing to stay "rare". You've done your fair share of...well, sharing things. Be that rare animations, unreleased music, relatively unknown concept pictures, etc. I also think it's awesome that you try to get these rarities onto official releases to satisfy both sides.

A good portion of this and Ajay's posts are exactly my point too, whether I worded it properly before or not. I wouldn't ask, nor expect, you or anyone else to share things that have seen an official release, could someday see an official release or could negatively affect an official release. The only material I'm talking about are those like this special or some of the various animated commercials that weren't included on the Dragon Boxes. Content that is actually pretty pointless on it's own and the only real purpose it serves is to say you've seen it. That's the kind of stuff I wish possessive collectors in general would share. None of us are entitled to this content, but I love that we're part of a franchise where most fans want to share these types of things when they come across them (though there are some exceptions of course). People should be grateful for what you've done for not only the community, but also the general fan base thus far. It's a shame that whoever betrayed you couldn't follow such a simple request and had to ruin it for everyone (not that I've ever really asked you for anything, but apparently a LOT of people have lol).

[dbboxkaifan]

My highest-priority has been making currently rare things officialy available on future releases instead of gratifying my possessive feeling. I've been trying hard to appeal to the official side.

I do want to share my entire collection with people here if there's nothing harmful with it because I am not one of those extremely possessive collectors TheDevilsCorpse is talking about, but that'd definitely affect possible future official releases in a negative way as you say.

I never thought that this special would be officially released someday considering its near-worthless actual contents in it, so this is not the case here, but something like this happening is enough for me to decide not to easily give out my collection from now on.

I remember asking you, like in 2013 if you'd share the Dragon Ball unreleased BGM collection through download and you refused it to me but for others you're fine giving them the option. Maybe you don't like me and that's fine but saying "with people here" makes it seem you'd share with anyone which isn't exactly the case.

[kei17]

I remember asking you, like in 2013 if you'd share the Dragon Ball unreleased BGM collection through download and you refused it to me but for others you're fine giving them the option. Maybe you don't like me and that's fine but saying "with people here" makes it seem you'd share with anyone which isn't exactly the case.

Do you mean the original Dragon Ball? Then I still can't because I have ripped only fifteen or so pieces at this point and I don't want to share them until I'll finish all the tracks someday. As for the Z tracks, I'm already sharing all of them on my YT channel in fairly satisfying quality. I refuse to easily give the original files to others for nothing because I don't want the raw files to be scattered around the Internet, which will definitely harm a possible official soundtrack release that I'm trying hard to realize.

I'm already fed up with tons of PMs about mindlessly asking me for rare stuff, so I remove most of them at a glance every day. I think this is a good opportunity to concentrate more on appealing to official licensors.

Anyway, sorry for getting off-topic. This is just my personal problem and we shoukd stop discussing it here. Please go back to the topic.

[Herms]

Something I did notice that caught my interest: In the cast credits at the end, Chaozu's name is written in kana! I've never seen that before. Never. I've only ever seen it in kanji.

It's definitely rare, but I've seen that in a few places here and there. I assume it's because they couldn't/wouldn't do the usual "kanji with katakana furigana" setup and didn't want people to think his name was Gyouza. It's similar to how the "super" in "Super Saiyan" sometimes gets written just in katakana (which seems more and more common these days).

[dbboxkaifan]

If that broadcast audio is shared freely and ends up on The Pirate Bay, a piracy website or any other such site (which it inevitably would), there goes your chance at a definitive release. There goes a chunk of sales from die hard fans for future releases. No company in their right mind is going to use audio that first popped up on a damn public tracker.

So even though it's by far better than the muffled track on all home releases it would be rejected simply because it was on the internet?! FUNimation is a business company and for them they're fine with what they already have as they're not audiophiles but if they appreciated the better audio quality version they wouldn't even care about that minor detail.

A conversation I made up between a Janitor, Kid and Sabat.

Spoiler:

Kid: Hey, I have all the tapes I recorded from Dragon Ball Z in Japanese and the audio sounds way better than your DVDs have right now.
Janitor: Oh you're going places, kid.
Janitor: Come with me I'll take you to Mr. Sabat.
Janitor: Now speak to thy master and see if the plan works out.
Kid: Wonderful!
Kid: Hello Mr. Sabat, I've got all the 291 episodes of DBZ with better Japanese audio quality that I recorded from TV and you can compare it to see the difference.
Sabat: Nice. This is a lot better than that muffled audio we have on our releases but I have bad news kid, it's on the internet.
Kid: So?
Sabat: We aren't going to use them then.
Kid: Even though you admitted the quality's better?
Sabat. Yeah. Business stuff, y'know. Get going and leave the tapes here for me.
Kid: If that's the way it's going, then I'm taking.
Sabat: Whatever. Beat it. *starts smoking*
Janitor: So did it work out?
Kid: Nope.
Kid: But thanks for your help, Mr. Janitor!
Kid: Now I'm going to keep it for myself as always.

Too bad this kid didn't go places.

Do you mean the original Dragon Ball? Then I still can't because I have ripped only fifteen or so pieces at this point and I don't want to share them until I'll finish all the tracks someday. As for the Z tracks, I'm already sharing all of them on my YT channel in fairly satisfying quality. I refuse to easily give the original files to others for nothing because I don't want the raw files to be scattered around the Internet, which will definitely harm a possible official soundtrack release that I'm trying hard to realize.

I'm already fed up with tons of PMs about mindlessly asking me for rare stuff, so I remove most of them at a glance every day. I think this is a good opportunity to concentrate more on appealing to official licensors.

Oh all right. The music is the only thing I want and if Columbia Japan does have the entire library they should release if they can.