So, Vegeta has become "pure hearted" after Kid Buu?

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Re: So, Vegeta has become "pure hearted" after Kid Buu?

Post by Kid Buu » Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:23 pm

How did he keep his body when he died on Namek? He got resurrected easily.

And no, Vegeta just goes from "mass murderer" to "asshole." It isn't until he let go of his pride did I consider him officially turning good, and even then I wouldn't say he's pure of heart. Although, the fact that he's an asshole is what makes him entertaining haha.
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Re: So, Vegeta has become "pure hearted" after Kid Buu?

Post by Herms » Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:58 pm

Legendary Saiya-Jin wrote:Or do you think Battle of Gods implies he's still pure evil?
In BoG he's considered good, or at least good enough for the Super Saiyan God ritual. Piccolo and Bulma consider him impure, but Dende and Kuririn say that he may have been evil once, but it's been a long time since he did anything bad. For the record, out of the 5 (non-fetus) Saiyans, Piccolo only considers Gohan and Goten to be pure-hearted (he says Trunks already has a girlfriend at such a young age, so obviously he's a pervert). Bulma and Chi-Chi think he's too picky.
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Re: So, Vegeta has become "pure hearted" after Kid Buu?

Post by ZombieVito » Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:14 pm

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Legendary Saiya-Jin wrote:Or do you think Battle of Gods implies he's still pure evil?
In BoG he's considered good, or at least good enough for the Super Saiyan God ritual. Piccolo and Bulma consider him impure, but Dende and Kuririn say that he may have been evil once, but it's been a long time since he did anything bad. For the record, out of the 5 (non-fetus) Saiyans, Piccolo only considers Gohan and Goten to be pure-hearted (he says Trunks already has a girlfriend at such a young age, so obviously he's a pervert). Bulma and Chi-Chi think he's too picky.
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Re: So, Vegeta has become "pure hearted" after Kid Buu?

Post by VyeRo » Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:03 pm

I don't think Vegeta is pure-hearted. I believe that the ritual requires a saiyan who doesn't have any intention to hurt/maim/kill another living being. Evil saiyans on the other hand have a lust for blood, murder, pretty much all evil things and don't have any remorse or regard for life. At least that's how I make a distinction between 'good' and 'evil' saiyans. Since Vegeta doesn't kill anymore, he can participate in the ritual.

About him going to hell, I think Vegeta knows where he is going to end up one day and has accepted it. He knows he deserves nothing less for all the evil he's done. But I also don't see him regretting his past? He was a cold-blooded killer, that defined him for so many years, and it was a normal way of life for him. Him regretting it now would be strange because he didn't think any of it when he committed those acts. But that was in the past, and he has since become a better person.
Herms wrote: Piccolo only considers Gohan and Goten to be pure-hearted (he says Trunks already has a girlfriend at such a young age, so obviously he's a pervert). Bulma and Chi-Chi think he's too picky.
This is wrong on so many accounts I don't even know where to start. :lol: But that is absurd, it's a harmless crush, it's not like Trunks is trying to get into Mai's pants. :roll:
Isn't Gohan a pervert as well then? He's having sex!
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Re: So, Vegeta has become "pure hearted" after Kid Buu?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:13 pm

Another reason stopping Buu shouldn't absolve him: the whole thing was his fault to begin with. And it wasn't a simple mistake either, oh no; he went out of his way to help revive Buu, murdering hundreds in the process, just so he could live out his seven year old fantasy.

But, regardless of what you think of Vegeta, I think we can all agree that calling him pure hearted is really, really wrong. Pure hearted is just that- pure hearted. He's supposed to be pure good, without one speck of evil. Going by an earlier example from Dragon Ball, being pure hearted means that he's also not supposed to have any negative thoughts, like aggression, anger, jealousy, or lust. That doesn't fit Vegeta. Do you honestly think Vegeta could ride the Nimbus? Do you honestly think the Earth wouldn't explode if the Devilman decided to dish out some karma and fired the Devilmite Beam at Vegeta?
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Re: So, Vegeta has become "pure hearted" after Kid Buu?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:34 pm

I don't think that the Super Saiyan God ritual needs literally pure hearted Saiyans. I mean, even the movie makes jokes about Vegeta & Trunks not being pure hearted!
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Re: So, Vegeta has become "pure hearted" after Kid Buu?

Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:48 pm

Well maybe pure is not exactly the term, more like good Saiyans. Kinda like how Toriyama doesn't take the word god seriously like the omnipotent people you find in comics.
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Re: So, Vegeta has become "pure hearted" after Kid Buu?

Post by Draken » Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:52 pm

Herms wrote:
Legendary Saiya-Jin wrote:Or do you think Battle of Gods implies he's still pure evil?
In BoG he's considered good, or at least good enough for the Super Saiyan God ritual. Piccolo and Bulma consider him impure, but Dende and Kuririn say that he may have been evil once, but it's been a long time since he did anything bad. For the record, out of the 5 (non-fetus) Saiyans, Piccolo only considers Gohan and Goten to be pure-hearted (he says Trunks already has a girlfriend at such a young age, so obviously he's a pervert). Bulma and Chi-Chi think he's too picky.
Whatever happened to the "pure of heart" to become a SSJ? x.x And is Goku not pure-hearted anymore or something?

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Re: So, Vegeta has become "pure hearted" after Kid Buu?

Post by Chuquita » Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:59 pm

IMO the "pure heart" may be referring more to "this person has no bad intentions in their heart at this time" rather than being a strict black and white sort of thing. Like you could be pure of heart at one point in the day and then later on not be, but then go back to being so some time after that. A regular super saiyajin may not have a pure heart because of the way that (at least early on) it invites a bit of battle-lust and makes it hard for the user to control.
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Re: So, Vegeta has become "pure hearted" after Kid Buu?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:03 pm

Draken wrote:Whatever happened to the "pure of heart" to become a SSJ?
We see 5 Super Saiyans in the manga (without counting merged results & future versions of characters). Goku was pure, Vegeta was pure evil, Gohan was pure, and Goten & Trunks are born with the ability to transform in early age.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: So, Vegeta has become "pure hearted" after Kid Buu?

Post by Storm101 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:04 pm

He may not be able to "make up" for what he did, but he has become a good person. I don't think he deserves to go to hell. I honestly don't think even real people like Hitler deserve to go to hell for eternity. For a long time yes, but not forever. I'd like to think that anyone can change and regret how much suffering they caused. If they're truly incapable of it, then I'm not sure.

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Post by ABED » Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:07 pm

Vegeta definitely deserves a period in Hell.
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Re: So, Vegeta has become "pure hearted" after Kid Buu?

Post by VyeRo » Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:29 pm

In my personal head canon, Vegeta will definitely go to hell, but he's allowed to keep his body and maybe he will be granted monthly visits to Heaven to see his family.

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Re: So, Vegeta has become "pure hearted" after Kid Buu?

Post by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:38 pm

I think Vegeta will go to heaven, mainly because I hope so. :P He helps with Birusu too, his antics may have stopped Birusu from destroying the earth. If worse comes to worse Goku would probably get Vegeta in to heaven. :P

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Post by Bussani » Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:07 pm

Kid Buu wrote:How did he keep his body when he died on Namek?
What do you mean? His body got buried, and stayed that way until he was resurrected. He didn't take it to the afterlife with him.
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Legendary Saiya-Jin wrote:Or do you think Battle of Gods implies he's still pure evil?
In BoG he's considered good, or at least good enough for the Super Saiyan God ritual. Piccolo and Bulma consider him impure, but Dende and Kuririn say that he may have been evil once, but it's been a long time since he did anything bad. For the record, out of the 5 (non-fetus) Saiyans, Piccolo only considers Gohan and Goten to be pure-hearted (he says Trunks already has a girlfriend at such a young age, so obviously he's a pervert). Bulma and Chi-Chi think he's too picky.
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Post by Marco Polo » Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:52 pm

Herms wrote:
Legendary Saiya-Jin wrote:Or do you think Battle of Gods implies he's still pure evil?
In BoG he's considered good, or at least good enough for the Super Saiyan God ritual. Piccolo and Bulma consider him impure, but Dende and Kuririn say that he may have been evil once, but it's been a long time since he did anything bad. For the record, out of the 5 (non-fetus) Saiyans, Piccolo only considers Gohan and Goten to be pure-hearted (he says Trunks already has a girlfriend at such a young age, so obviously he's a pervert). Bulma and Chi-Chi think he's too picky.
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Re: So, Vegeta has become "pure hearted" after Kid Buu?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:55 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Another reason stopping Buu shouldn't absolve him: the whole thing was his fault to begin with. And it wasn't a simple mistake either, oh no; he went out of his way to help revive Buu, murdering hundreds in the process, just so he could live out his seven year old fantasy.
No, it wasn't. It was mainly Goku and Kaioshin's faults.
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Re: So, Vegeta has become "pure hearted" after Kid Buu?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:56 pm

Does "Pure Heart" have to mean he's pure good? My opinion is that Vegeta is no longer conflicted, he's accepted that his evil past is behind him, and is moving forward. He's no longer being "corrupted" by his past.
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Re: So, Vegeta has become "pure hearted" after Kid Buu?

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RandomGuy96 wrote:Another reason stopping Buu shouldn't absolve him: the whole thing was his fault to begin with. And it wasn't a simple mistake either, oh no; he went out of his way to help revive Buu, murdering hundreds in the process, just so he could live out his seven year old fantasy.
No, it wasn't. It was mainly Goku and Kaioshin's faults.
How do you figure? He let Babidi make him his servant. Sure he didn't let Babidi completely control him, but by letting him control him to any degree is what allowed Goku's energy to aid in Buu's release. Vegeta is at fault. One can argue that he's not completely at fault but he's definitely a big reason why Buu was released. I'm certain Vegeta even says so, which is why he goes about fighting fat Buu alone.

Vegeta may have left his evil ways behind, but that doesn't absolve him of his past misdeeds.
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Re: So, Vegeta has become "pure hearted" after Kid Buu?

Post by Kid Buu » Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:31 pm

I dunno, I'd hold both Vegeta & Goku at fault. A lot of Cell & Buu arc is the heroes own ego getting in their way.
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