Does DB Kai only cut out the bad filler?

[Kakarot88]

DB Kai cuts out good filler too. If you watch the Freeza battle it cuts out a ton.

I fear that because it follows the manga so closely and Toriyama hardly depicted the battle between Goku and Majin Vegeta compared to the tons of it in the anime that a almost all of that fight will indeed be dropped out in favor of what is actually depicted in the manga: No. 18 versus Mister Satan...oh Kai...how you do disappoint me...I too thought it would only cut of "filler" of stuff like Bulma fighting crabs in the ocean or them landing on fake Namek but no Kai drops out entire fight sequences.

[TheGmGoken]

DB Kai cuts out good filler too. If you watch the Freeza battle it cuts out a ton.

I fear that because it follows the manga so closely and Toriyama hardly depicted the battle between Goku and Majin Vegeta compared to the tons of it in the anime that a almost all of that fight will indeed be dropped out in favor of what is actually depicted in the manga: No. 18 versus Mister Satan...oh Kai...how you do disappoint me...I too thought it would only cut of "filler" of stuff like Bulma fighting crabs in the ocean or them landing on fake Namek but no Kai drops out entire fight sequences.

LOL! Freeza battle having a good filler. Classic.

[Kakarot88]

DB Kai cuts out good filler too. If you watch the Freeza battle it cuts out a ton.

I fear that because it follows the manga so closely and Toriyama hardly depicted the battle between Goku and Majin Vegeta compared to the tons of it in the anime that a almost all of that fight will indeed be dropped out in favor of what is actually depicted in the manga: No. 18 versus Mister Satan...oh Kai...how you do disappoint me...I too thought it would only cut of "filler" of stuff like Bulma fighting crabs in the ocean or them landing on fake Namek but no Kai drops out entire fight sequences.

LOL! Freeza battle having a good filler. Classic.

You don't like the mindless action of the anime? I am being dead serious when I say the Freeza battle is one of my favorites because of how friggen long it is in the anime. The more the merrier, I say. The whole "blowing up Goku in lava" and Gohan coming back was really cool in my opinion because it showed Gohan had grown a backbone and just extra fighting is awesome...I like the fighting just for the sake of fighting. Like Toriyama said he wrote the series to entertain and that right there to me is pure entertainment.

[TheGmGoken]

DB Kai cuts out good filler too. If you watch the Freeza battle it cuts out a ton.

I fear that because it follows the manga so closely and Toriyama hardly depicted the battle between Goku and Majin Vegeta compared to the tons of it in the anime that a almost all of that fight will indeed be dropped out in favor of what is actually depicted in the manga: No. 18 versus Mister Satan...oh Kai...how you do disappoint me...I too thought it would only cut of "filler" of stuff like Bulma fighting crabs in the ocean or them landing on fake Namek but no Kai drops out entire fight sequences.

LOL! Freeza battle having a good filler. Classic.

You don't like the mindless action of the anime? I am being dead serious when I say the Freeza battle is one of my favorites because of how friggen long it is in the anime. The more the merrier, I say. The whole "blowing up Goku in lava" and Gohan coming back was really cool in my opinion because it showed Gohan had grown a backbone and just extra fighting is awesome...I like the fighting just for the sake of fighting. Like Toriyama said he wrote the series to entertain and that right there to me is pure entertainment.

19 episodes of the same fight gets boring after awhile you know? The fight was already long as hell without filler.

[dbzfan7]

19 episodes of the same fight gets boring after awhile you know? The fight was already long as hell without filler.

Exactly. I would rather have episodes with progression than episodes that stall forever.

[penguintruth]

Goku vs Freeza is one of those cases of it all being pretty good material, but it's just way too long. So the stuff that got cut was good, but it needed cutting anyway. I'm not sitting around for 19 episodes of Goku fighting the same opponent in a show that's supposed to remove that filler.

Hell, even with the cuts there's still too much of it. In the manga there's too much of it.

No single fight between two opponents should be any more than four or five episodes. It's absurd.

[ABED]

The Goku vs. Freeza fight isn't 19 episodes. The entire Freeza fight is a bunch of fights, Goku is just the final part of it. It's closer to 10 or 11 episodes. Still long but nearly half of what you claim.

[DBZAOTA482]

The Goku vs. Freeza fight isn't 19 episodes. The entire Freeza fight is a bunch of fights, Goku is just the final part of it. It's closer to 10 or 11 episodes. Still long but nearly half of what you claim.

Goku jumps in and throws down the gauntlet in episode 86. Goku delivers the final blow in episode 105.

105 - 86 = 19

[Kamiccolo9]

The Goku vs. Freeza fight isn't 19 episodes. The entire Freeza fight is a bunch of fights, Goku is just the final part of it. It's closer to 10 or 11 episodes. Still long but nearly half of what you claim.

Goku jumps in and throws down the gauntlet in episode 86. Goku delivers the final blow in episode 105.

105 - 86 = 19

The Freeza fight in total is over 30 episodes, If I remember correctly. It takes up practically all of "season 3."

[ABED]

I can do math, I thought you were talking about Kai. Much of the length of the fight in Z isn't the actual fight, it's cutaways to Earth, or flashbacks reminding us what we already saw.

[DBZ Mick]

DB Kai cuts out good filler too. If you watch the Freeza battle it cuts out a ton.

I fear that because it follows the manga so closely and Toriyama hardly depicted the battle between Goku and Majin Vegeta compared to the tons of it in the anime that a almost all of that fight will indeed be dropped out in favor of what is actually depicted in the manga: No. 18 versus Mister Satan...oh Kai...how you do disappoint me...I too thought it would only cut of "filler" of stuff like Bulma fighting crabs in the ocean or them landing on fake Namek but no Kai drops out entire fight sequences.

LOL! Freeza battle having a good filler. Classic.

You don't like the mindless action of the anime? I am being dead serious when I say the Freeza battle is one of my favorites because of how friggen long it is in the anime. The more the merrier, I say. The whole "blowing up Goku in lava" and Gohan coming back was really cool in my opinion because it showed Gohan had grown a backbone and just extra fighting is awesome...I like the fighting just for the sake of fighting. Like Toriyama said he wrote the series to entertain and that right there to me is pure entertainment.

I actually like the Freeza filler too barring the stuff on Earth- even the Ginyu in Bulma's body stuff. I also liked the Gohan coming back filler and it's kept in Kai! While I do think the fight drags on too long I like how climatic it gets. It's how the series should have ended IMO. Nothing post Freeza tops it.

[Cipher]

While Kai could be said to cut out "good" filler as well, I'm inclined to think now that it really isn't missing much that would actually improve the story.

I'm watching Kai all the way through in Japanese for the first time, and although I've always really enjoyed the training filler in the Saiyan arc, and thought I'd actually enjoy the story less if it were absent, I'm amazed at how well Kai plays without it. Even Gohan's character arc doesn't feel wanting. And in exchange for that missing material, we get a break-neck pacing that actually improves the tension and humor, rather than detracting from them. I suppose it makes sense; the manga really does give you everything you need, and Kai's content largely stays close to it.

So, yes, does Kai remove some enjoyable filler? Probably. Does it remove anything essential? No, and I'm guessing I'll continue to feel the series overall plays better without it.

EDIT--

Agreed with posts above that ten episodes is still too long for the Freeza fight, though. One of the things I've been enjoying most about Kai so far is that the fights have mostly lasted one, two-and-half episodes at the most.

[DBZ Mick]

You could probably cut down the Freeza fight a little more... I mean the fight is long in the manga too.

[Rocketman]

If you actually cut Goku vs Freeza down to the parts where they actually fight, I'd bet it'd be five episodes at most.

[TheGmGoken]

If you actually cut Goku vs Freeza down to the parts where they actually fight, I'd bet it'd be five episodes at most.

IMO still so long of a fight.

[DBZ Mick]

Even so, there's still the fights before Goku arrives which would probably push it up another 4-5 episodes.