Who took the worst beating?

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Re: Who took the worst beating?

Post by Blade » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:22 pm

MediaFanGirl93 wrote: What also bothers me is how some fans felt she deserved it
I've never heard that opinion, and I can't understand any non-misogynistic or non-sadistic interpretation of the narrative that would lead someone to think that.
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Re: Who took the worst beating?

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:25 pm

Agreed with the Videl thing, that's just hard to watch. I can't remember if it's as bad as that in the manga, but in the anime...just...damn. :(
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Re: Who took the worst beating?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:35 pm

ChiChiFan wrote:No one comes close to Videl. I always cringe every time I watch that fight.
No one comes close? Now that's an exaggeration, don't you think? The beating didn't even make a single large hole in her chest. Not one.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Who took the worst beating?

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ChiChiFan wrote:No one comes close to Videl. I always cringe every time I watch that fight.
What also bothers me is how some fans felt she deserved it. I remember watching that fight and getting nightmares.
Who's ever said that she deserved it? :shock:
Same folks who treat Chi-Chi and Videl like sub-human just for refusing to taking shit from their boyfriends/husbands :P .... or because she's responsible for GT Pan (seriously if you don't like GT then simply don't watch it. Nobody's forcing them.).

Oh and the beating Goku received from Piccolo was probably the most gruesome of all (Chi-Chi even shouted "Goku's hurt" :P) . The can of whoop-ass #19 opened up on Goku is high up there too (imagine getting beaten up while having a heart attack then having your energy drained outta ya).
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Re: Who took the worst beating?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:57 pm

Didn't Videl threaten and blackmail Gohan prior to this?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Who took the worst beating?

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:05 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Didn't Videl threaten and blackmail Gohan prior to this?
...And that somehow validates Spopovich beating the living shit out of her, how, exactly?

I mean, I get your point (I think), Videl's not exactly squeaky clean. But the thing is nobody in Dragon Ball is. Everyone in it is 'dirty' in some manner or another. Every. One. It's what makes most of the characters so appealing.
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Re: Who took the worst beating?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:08 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:Didn't Videl threaten and blackmail Gohan prior to this?
...And that somehow validates Spopovich beating the living shit out of her, how, exactly?.
Who said that it did?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Who took the worst beating?

Post by Blade » Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:08 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Didn't Videl threaten and blackmail Gohan prior to this?
So he would train her to fly - but her intents weren't entirely unscrupulous and there was a clear romance developing between them at the time. It's not like there was anything sinister about it that would make her deserving of such a savage beating!
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Re: Who took the worst beating?

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:12 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
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RandomGuy96 wrote:Didn't Videl threaten and blackmail Gohan prior to this?
...And that somehow validates Spopovich beating the living shit out of her, how, exactly?.
Who said that it did?
That seemed to be what you were implying at any rate. I apologize if I took it out of context though.
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Re: Who took the worst beating?

Post by chaospunishment » Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:17 pm

Vegeta's Pride when he fought Goku

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Re: Who took the worst beating?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:20 pm

That seemed to be what you were implying at any rate. I apologize if I took it out of context though.
Nah, I was genuinely just asking, mostly because s/he made it sound like Videl was hated because she "refused to take shit" from Gohan. Obviously, "because she was a bitch that one time" and "she wouldn't sit down and shut her mouth like a good woman" are very different reasons to hate somebody.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Who took the worst beating?

Post by mAcChaos » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:23 pm

I've never seen anyone say Videl deserved it in my entire life of being a fan.

Hey, the beating Fat Buu gave Majin Vegeta was pretty brutal.
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Re: Who took the worst beating?

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chaospunishment wrote:Vegeta's Pride when he fought Goku
Both times as well. Especially when he found out Goku was hiding SSJ3. That had to hurt.

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Re: Who took the worst beating?

Post by thatdbzguy » Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:01 pm

I remember reading a story where a character gets whipped 40+ times, punched in the eye twice, shot in the hip with an arrow, gets sick, and gets various other more minor injuries, all within one month and while having to deal with the crippling guilt of causing a best friend to almost get killed.

Nobody in DB/Z comes close to dealing with that amount of pain in such a short amount of time. Hell, I can't even think of anyone from any other series who did.
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Re: Who took the worst beating?

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RandomGuy96 wrote:
ChiChiFan wrote:No one comes close to Videl. I always cringe every time I watch that fight.
No one comes close? Now that's an exaggeration, don't you think? The beating didn't even make a single large hole in her chest. Not one.
No but the beating she had was pretty brutal, considering she's a woman.

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Re: Who took the worst beating?

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thatdbzguy wrote:I remember reading a story where a character gets whipped 40+ times, punched in the eye twice, shot in the hip with an arrow, gets sick, and gets various other more minor injuries, all within one month and while having to deal with the crippling guilt of causing a best friend to almost get killed.

Nobody in DB/Z comes close to dealing with that amount of pain in such a short amount of time. Hell, I can't even think of anyone from any other series who did.
I've read a story where a guy is mentioned to have had both his arms and legs cut off and cauterized, his eyes and tongue ripped out, and forcibly addicted to heroin. That's probably the worst I've read about.

Not that this has anything to do with Dragon Ball though.

On-Topic, I'd probably say Vegeta after the Saiyan Arc finale.
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Re: Who took the worst beating?

Post by ChiChiFan » Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:43 pm

MediaFanGirl93 wrote:
ChiChiFan wrote:No one comes close to Videl. I always cringe every time I watch that fight.
What also bothers me is how some fans felt she deserved it. I remember watching that fight and getting nightmares.
Are you serious? :shock: Those fans are crazy because Videl did not deserve that beating at all. I still cringe when Spopovich tries to crush Videl's head with his foot.

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Re: Who took the worst beating?

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:46 pm

thatdbzguy wrote:I remember reading a story where a character gets whipped 40+ times, punched in the eye twice, shot in the hip with an arrow, gets sick, and gets various other more minor injuries, all within one month and while having to deal with the crippling guilt of causing a best friend to almost get killed.

Nobody in DB/Z comes close to dealing with that amount of pain in such a short amount of time. Hell, I can't even think of anyone from any other series who did.
I've seen worst than that. That's not impressive honestly. Many anime does that. Of course no one in DBZ got that much of a beating because it's DBZ..honestly. The question is obviously talking about Dragonball so I don't see why you brought other anime into it and state "DBZ characters could't get a beaten like that".

On Topic: Does Second Form Freeza impaling Krillin counts as a beating. Seems more of attempted Murder.

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Re: Who took the worst beating?

Post by thatdbzguy » Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:56 pm

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thatdbzguy wrote:I remember reading a story where a character gets whipped 40+ times, punched in the eye twice, shot in the hip with an arrow, gets sick, and gets various other more minor injuries, all within one month and while having to deal with the crippling guilt of causing a best friend to almost get killed.

Nobody in DB/Z comes close to dealing with that amount of pain in such a short amount of time. Hell, I can't even think of anyone from any other series who did.
I've seen worst than that. That's not impressive honestly. Many anime does that. Of course no one in DBZ got that much of a beating because it's DBZ..honestly. The question is obviously talking about Dragonball so I don't see why you brought other anime into it and state "DBZ characters could't get a beaten like that".

On Topic: Does Second Form Freeza impaling Krillin counts as a beating. Seems more of attempted Murder.
I'm curious, what do you think is worse than that? Getting whipped is probably one of the most painful things ever (on top of all the other injuries), and what makes the character's situation worse was how it all happened in a month, which barely gave the character enough time to heal both physically and mentally.
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Re: Who took the worst beating?

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thatdbzguy wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:
thatdbzguy wrote:I remember reading a story where a character gets whipped 40+ times, punched in the eye twice, shot in the hip with an arrow, gets sick, and gets various other more minor injuries, all within one month and while having to deal with the crippling guilt of causing a best friend to almost get killed.

Nobody in DB/Z comes close to dealing with that amount of pain in such a short amount of time. Hell, I can't even think of anyone from any other series who did.
I've seen worst than that. That's not impressive honestly. Many anime does that. Of course no one in DBZ got that much of a beating because it's DBZ..honestly. The question is obviously talking about Dragonball so I don't see why you brought other anime into it and state "DBZ characters could't get a beaten like that".

On Topic: Does Second Form Freeza impaling Krillin counts as a beating. Seems more of attempted Murder.
I'm curious, what do you think is worse than that? Getting whipped is probably one of the most painful things ever (on top of all the other injuries), and what makes the character's situation worse was how it all happened in a month, which barely gave the character enough time to heal both physically and mentally.
What a pansy. The average shooting game characters sustains hundreds of normally fatal injuries per day, and all they need to walk it off is food and band-aids. Or nothing at all.

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No but the beating she had was pretty brutal, considering she's a woman.
What does her being a woman have to do with anything?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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