How powerful is Majin Yakon and Majin Pui Pui?

[singsing]

But if this was the case, why would the kaioshin be so worried about both of them when he knows the z fighrters are more then capable of handling freeza in their current state?

Maybe Kaiōshin thought Pui Pui and Yakon fall in the same category as Dabra. He heard rumors that Freeza was defeated by a Super Saiyan (Goku) and that Gohan is even stronger than that, but that was all until seeing how the fight with Babidi's minions went. I don't think he knew about the events of Cell Arc.

Didn't Vegeta kill Pui-Pui in base?

Base Vegeta < Base Goku =/< BoG era base Goku < 100% Freeza

By this logic I don't think 3rd or even second form freeza would be so one-shottable.

Pui Pui has to be above Raditz and Nappa before Majin to have been considered special at all. So he could be anywhere from 18,000 - 3rd Form freeza. I kinda like the idea of him being ginyu level with Majin and Vegeta one earth before it.

You realize there's an enormous gap between 3rd form Freeza and 100% Freeza right? There's plenty of room to be in-between and still one shot. Vegeta can be 10 million in base and be PLEEENTY strong enough to one-shot even inital 4th form Freeza.

[mAcChaos]

I'm seeing a lot of posts with the implication that Goku at his base is almost as strong as Yakon. There's no way that's true; base Goku is below Freeza in power.

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm seeing a lot of posts with the implication that Goku at his base is almost as strong as Yakon. There's no way that's true; base Goku is below Freeza in power.

....And?

[Hitiro]

I'm seeing a lot of posts with the implication that Goku at his base is almost as strong as Yakon. There's no way that's true; base Goku is below Freeza in power.

I don't believe anyone is indicating Base Goku is stronger than Freeza. But rather that Yakon isn't as strong as Freeza. The way Goku talked it didn't seem like he required to go SSJ. At least that's what I got from him talking.

[Jabberwock xeno]

The one thing I don't get is that people seem to be making the assumption that the base forms of goku and vegeta are just as strong as they used to be, and aren't considering the possibility that their base forms at that point is as as strong as their super saiyan forms were previously.

Or maybe I am just misunderstanding what's being said.

[TobyS]

The one thing I don't get is that people seem to be making the assumption that the base forms of goku and vegeta are just as strong as they used to be, and aren't considering the possibility that their base forms at that point is as as strong as their super saiyan forms were previously.

Or maybe I am just misunderstanding what's being said.

No a lot of people used to assume that but word of god is that bog era base Goku is still not better than freeza so they didn't improve enough to one shot pui pui of he is as strong as freeze you see?

[DBZAOTA482]

I put Pui-Pui at Saiyan Arc Vegeta level, with Yakon being at 100% Freeza. That goes nicely with 10x gravity being a big deal for Pui-Pui, and Goku's base not being quite enough to deal with Yakon, but Goku and Gohan both fighting in base being able to do so.

But if this was the case, why would the kaioshin be so worried about both of them when he knows the z fighrters are more then capable of handling freeza in their current state? (for the record, what you said has always been what I thought, but I had this pointed out to me the other day, and I think that it blows a bit of a hole in that)

Kaioshin is a dumbass.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Honestly, Kaboom's explanation about Kaioshin always worked best. Sometimes I'd find myself developing reasons on why he said what he said, but I don't even think that's necessary anymore. Kaioshin at the Budokai and Kaioshin in Bobbidi's spaceship are worlds apart. It almost seems like they're different characters entirely. What's funny is how he seemed to revert back to his cool, pre Bobbidi spaceship demeanor once he thinks Boo is gone.

[Kamiccolo9]

Honestly, Kaboom's explanation about Kaioshin always worked best. Sometimes I'd find myself developing reasons on why he said what he said, but I don't even think that's necessary anymore. Kaioshin at the Budokai and Kaioshin in Bobbidi's spaceship are worlds apart. It almost seems like they're different characters entirely. What's funny is how he seemed to revert back to his cool, pre Bobbidi spaceship demeanor once he thinks Boo is gone.

I've always thought that it's pretty clear that he's just terrified of anything related to Buu. I mean, it's the guy who brutally ate/murdered his whole "family." Who wouldn't act like Kaioshin in that situation?

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

It's not even just the idea of Majin Boo. Kaioshin just stops making sense as a character in Bobbidi's spaceship. Then again, the Boo saga stopped making sense in Bobbidi's spaceship, so not entirely on Kaioshin.

[Hugo Boss]

Why? He saw his assistant dying in the blink of an eye, became the only one aware of Majin Boo's fearsomeness and didn't know how powerful were his allies or his enemies.

[mAcChaos]

When you put it like that he reminds me of Bardock and how he tries to warn everyone about Freeza and they all just laughed at him.