Question about Toei's marketing motives

DBZAOTA482 · Post by **DBZAOTA482** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:19 am

Why do people here keep acting like the Majin Boo Saga was this light-hearted comedy even though it clearly wasn't?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:55 am

DBZAOTA482 wrote:Why do people here keep acting like the Majin Boo Saga was this light-hearted comedy even though it clearly wasn't?

Because people are desperate to reconcile what DB actually is with the bullshit ~supershonen~ One-Piece-like image they've constructed of it in their heads.

ParkerAL · Post by **ParkerAL** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:58 am

EXBadguy wrote:Yeah, Toei has weird marketing, especially when the sexual jokes and people ripping heads and arms off mortal kombat style are exposed to children. It's not just DB, it's any anime over at Toei, even One Piece. How do the parents put up with that?

Toriyama was the one that wrote that stuff in. It had nothing to do with Toei's marketing...

EXBadguy wrote:You see, I'm not saying they should censor more shit, I'm just asking WHY are they censoring more shit and putting more stupid stuff in, besides them doing it for the money. Toei and Toriyama were never like this before. Back then they just didn't give a fuck. I know it's "DB like" as you people here say, but I'm just saying, I've NEVER seen anything so. freaking. childish like these stupid cutsey angels. This series wasn't like this, not even the original DB. That's my gripe.

I take it you've never heard of Dr. Slump, Toriyama's first major hit.

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:20 am

DBZAOTA482 wrote:Why do people here keep acting like the Majin Boo Saga was this light-hearted comedy even though it clearly wasn't?

I love the Majin Boo arc but I don't think it's a light hearted comedy. I just think it's less dark than the previous arc and has more of a balance of action and comedy and drama.

EXBadguy · Post by **EXBadguy** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:04 pm

ParkerAL wrote: Toriyama was the one that wrote that stuff in. It had nothing to do with Toei's marketing...

Nope, Toei too. I'm not just talking about FnF. You remember that JSAT special, didn't you? Half of the movie made me cringe.

DBZAOTA482 wrote:Why do people here keep acting like the Majin Boo Saga was this light-hearted comedy even though it clearly wasn't?

It's just too wacky and has too much gag for my taste.

Theophrastus wrote: As far as the comparison to One Piece, again that comes down to who's actually doing the writing. Eiichiro Oda likes himself some gags and general absurdity, but he also quite regularly tosses serious drama and tragedy into his writing. Oda was heavily involved in the last two major One Piece films, and it shows.

When I watched One Piece Z a few months ago, I ask why can't Toriyama be like Oda? When people are comparing One Piece Z to BoG, it makes me feels ashamed of liking BoG, becuz the comedy took too much of a role. Not just to me, but to most people outside this community. I mean, people are now laughing at this franchise, comparing it to One Piece and other anime from other categories, and telling Toriyama to retire. For me, I'm not doing all these things, I just wish Toriayama would step up so that this franchise won't be that much of a laughingstock.

Prior to BoG, a good amount of people respected this franchise.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:14 pm

You being ashamed of what you like has everything to do with your own self image and self confidence. Don't pass the blame to the content.

EXBadguy · Post by **EXBadguy** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:17 pm

I..guess you can say that, when I went to order tickets to see BoG, I didn't want anyone to see me, cuz I felt that they would laugh at me, so I just RAN to the theater. So yeah I guess you're right about that. But still I feel that Toriyama and Toei's holding back.

I'm not a self-loather though.

Post by **TripleRach** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:59 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:Why do people here keep acting like the Majin Boo Saga was this light-hearted comedy even though it clearly wasn't?

I don't think anyone's claiming it's 100% comedy, but it definitely has the most gag moments since the Red Ribbon arc. There's also a lot of absurdity. Boo murders people by turning them into candy, and he's not above goofing off with Gotenks. The power ups come from a silly dance, a goofy old man who likes porn and manga, and a pair of earrings.

Kid Buu · Post by **Kid Buu** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:19 pm

EXBadguy wrote:Is there another reason why Toei's holding back on the age marketing demographic stuff? Why they are lowering some stuff for little kids(0-8).

They are adapting a comic from a magazine called "Young Boys" Jump. They ain't dumbing down anything.

theoriginalbilis · Post by **theoriginalbilis** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:19 pm

Dragon Ball's always been an action/comedy/adventure show targeted towards kids. Even though the FUNimation "reversioning" tried to make the tone "darker" in places, even their dub was still aimed at the kids' TV market, and was a big success there too.

The fact that the light-hearted/adventurous atmosphere and endearing characters haven't changed in recent years is a good thing. The kids watching it have now grown up, and get to relive the good times with the new specials and movies. All the while introducing their young ones to the franchise. It's good to keep the show we all like relevant and profitable.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:07 pm

He's already admitted what the problem is, and damn near everyone in the thread knew what it was from the beginning.

He's ashamed he likes a kids show.

That's effectively how a child acts. So here is the advice. Get over yourself, it's not a huge thing, and grow up a bit.

Gyt Kaliba · Post by **Gyt Kaliba** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:19 pm

A bit blunt perhaps, but I find myself agreeing. If you find yourself being ashamed of liking Dragon Ball (or anything else) that's kid-oriented, that's on you as a person, not the product. But you don't have to be ashamed of it, because despite what most of society might say about it, it's okay to be into kid's stuff. There is literally no difference between liking animated stuff, and being a big fan of football or other sports, and hopefully eventually society as a whole will realize this.

I still think C.S. Lewis put it best.

“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”

EXBadguy · Post by **EXBadguy** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:21 pm

theoriginalbilis wrote: The fact that the light-hearted/adventurous atmosphere and endearing characters haven't changed in recent years is a good thing. The kids watching it have now grown up, and get to relive the good times with the new specials and movies.

Except that's not the case from what I'm seeing. You can go anywhere and see people talking crap about the new DB stuff. I liked BoG, but I want the next one to be different, so that the franchise will have the respect it once had.

MarcFBR wrote:He's already admitted what the problem is, and damn near everyone in the thread knew what it was from the beginning.

Try again. I'm didn't make this thread out of self pity. I just feel like Toriyama needs to step up a bit and tone down the gag and comedy some, that's all. Yes, I am getting old, but I'm not allowed to say something? I'm not on here telling you guys that you are autistic for liking DB(I had a couple of elitist on youtube told me that a long time ago).

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:22 pm

More people these days like watching kid shows. Legend of Korra was popular with both kids and adults. I see nothing wrong with that.

EXBadguy · Post by **EXBadguy** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:27 pm

Keep in mind guys, I said I sometimes feel ashamed for liking BoG, NOT the whole franchise itself. Even though I feel like I'm too old for DB(or most cartoons and anime), I would never become ashamed of liking DB.

Gyt Kaliba · Post by **Gyt Kaliba** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:39 pm

Not to lynch you or something, but -

EXBadguy wrote:Even though I feel like I'm too old for DB(or most cartoons and anime), I would never become ashamed of liking DB.

That's that mindset we're (or at least I'm, so as not to put words in others' mouths) talking about right there. Why should there be a 'too old' for anything animated? Most of the people that work on animated properties are far, far older than the intended audience. Do you not think they enjoy their work? I repeat, there's absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying material aimed at a completely different audience than one that you would be considered a part of.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:47 pm

Honestly if Dragon Ball was not a kids series then it would have never been on Toonami. CN likes to pick shows that were popular with kids in Japan as well from what I can remember. If Dragon Ball was some hardcore edgy show like some fans make it out to be then it would have been on the Sci-Fi channel instead.

EXBadguy · Post by **EXBadguy** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:49 pm

"Age is nothing but a number", huh? I sorta agree with that statement, though I'll always give adults weird looks if there watching some stupid cartoons or dressing up as any superhero when they walk down the street. I guess you can say I'm just like the rest of the society, but I couldn't help it. Not saying all cartoons are stupid, just making a general statement.

DBZAOTA482 · Post by **DBZAOTA482** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:50 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Honestly if Dragon Ball was not a kids series then it would have never been on Toonami. CN likes to pick shows that were popular with kids in Japan as well from what I can remember. If Dragon Ball was some hardcore edgy show like some fans make it out to be then it would have been on the Sci-Fi channel instead.

Dragon Ball was toned down when it was broadcasted on TV. Even the "uncut" version of DBZ is tamer on the dialogue.

Not to say it's harcore or edgy but saying it's for little kids is stretching it.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:58 pm

I'm still sticking with 'stop acting like a child and grow up'

Most people don't give a crap what you like or do. The few that do have their own shit they need to mature and get past.

The fact you are unable to reconcile the franchise to 'in your mind' not being a cartoon for children doesn't change that that's what it is.

Plus, the truth of the matter is this, any of these phantom people who you are worried are going to judge you based on how BoG are aren't exactly going to watch a random DBZ episode and decide 'oh man, this is for mature adults.'

The sooner you come to terms with what the franchise actually is, the happier you will be. But that's OK, plenty of people go through this stage. At some point you brain will mature further and you'll grow up.

It's sort of like the stage where someone shows up, watches any number of random anime and decides that anime is this awesome mature thing and American cartoons are for babies.

We all roll our eyes and wait for them to grow up a little.

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