How Strong are the Humans at the end of DBZ?

[ekrolo2]

I can see Tien & Krillin being anywhere between Goku's Kaio-Ken X2 (when he demonstrated it to Ginyu) to Vegeta when he had that small struggle with First Form Freeza. Yamcha would be a good chunk below them but still somewhere around that same ballpark. Of the three I'd say Tien would be the strongest since Krillin's been slacking off and Yamcha was always a lot behind them anyway.

[singsing]

Mr. Satan: 5.5 (estimate)
Farmer with Shotgun: 5

I'm sure the "worlds strongest" guy is more than 10% stronger than some pudgy farmer.

There's a difference between strength and ki.

[DBZAOTA482]

Yes, she taught Goten how to fight and made him a great fighter. She can't possibly do that without having the kid fight her on a level.

She taught Goten. She probably "demonstrated" form and "technique." Perhaps she got Goten to do some physically straining tasks to raise his strength. She didn't have to spar with him.

While I'm here, I might as well show my power levels:

Bulma: 2
Chi-Chi: 120
Mr. Satan: 7
Videl: 9
Farmer: 5

So, you think she got weaker from how she was from the 23rd Budokai despite it? And have you saw Goten in action? He and Goten are practically equals, in fact he coulda won if Trunks didn't cheat. All that the resulted from Chi-Chi's training with addition of flight.

Mr. Satan: 5.5 (estimate)
Farmer with Shotgun: 5

I'm sure the "worlds strongest" guy is more than 10% stronger than some pudgy farmer.

Hey, don't diss the farmer. Farming involves a lot of physical labor. Dude probably just has a big appetite.

[RandomGuy96]

The problem I have with taking Android arc statements to put them in the low millions is that still wouldn't work out. If Gero absorbed 5-10 million from the humans he should still get wrecked by Vegeta.

So I have to just dismiss that as Gero being really crappy at measuring battle power.

He can obviously read power levels. This was a weakened Vegeta that he could already beat, remember. He just thought Vegeta might have a trump card (he didn't, he was bluffing), so he wanted more insurance by absorbing maybe 10-15 million extra BP from Gohan, suppresesd Piccolo, Krillin, and Tenshinhan. Because why not? Also note his attitude towards Yamcha when they first meet, where he notes that he can drain a significant amount of energy from him. Yamcha would at least have to be over a million for his power to have any noticeable effect.

I put the four strongest humans (bar 18, 17, and Uub) in between 1 and 4 million by the end of the series, with Krillin being the strongest, Ten the second strongest, Yamcha a distant third, and Chaozu the weakest.

[Saiga]

The problem I have with taking Android arc statements to put them in the low millions is that still wouldn't work out. If Gero absorbed 5-10 million from the humans he should still get wrecked by Vegeta.

So I have to just dismiss that as Gero being really crappy at measuring battle power.

He can obviously read power levels. This was a weakened Vegeta that he could already beat, remember. He just thought Vegeta might have a trump card (he didn't, he was bluffing), so he wanted more insurance by absorbing maybe 10-15 million extra BP from Gohan, suppresesd Piccolo, Krillin, and Tenshinhan. Because why not? Also note his attitude towards Yamcha when they first meet, where he notes that he can drain a significant amount of energy from him. Yamcha would at least have to be over a million for his power to have any noticeable effect.

I put the four strongest humans (bar 18, 17, and Uub) in between 1 and 4 million by the end of the series, with Krillin being the strongest, Ten the second strongest, Yamcha a distant third, and Chaozu the weakest.

Vegeta already had a senzu at this point, then Gero saw him and commented on how powerful Vegeta was (chapter 345, page 13 panel 1 - not in the strength checker but it's both in Viz and scanlations). Then he noticed that he could steal from Gohan and Piccolo and supposedly beat Vegeta. So that reasoning doesn't work at all, Gero thought that if he added base Gohan and suppressed Piccolo, he'd surpass full power Super Saiyan Vegeta. Dude's nuts.

I don't even think over 1,000,000 fits for Gero's comment. Once it'd be high enough to actually make sense, it'd be above the base Saiyans which we know the humans are below.