Kanzenshuu User Survey RESULTS!

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Re: Kanzenshuu User Survey RESULTS!

Post by fadeddreams5 » Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:49 pm

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MarCas92 wrote:Here are the results! Also, apologies for using the English titles. I normally type out the Japanese titles but it's a lot easier to type "Tree of Might" than it is to type out "The Super Decisive Battle for Earth". So without further ado here are the results with 160 responses.

Favorite Anime:
Just :shock: :shock: :shock: at Super only getting 1%. I wonder if it's because it's so new or it was just generally unliked by the people who voted.
I know I generally dislike it. I may currently like GT more, actually. I wouldn't know since I only watched the horrific dub of that series.
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Post by successoroffate » Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:57 pm

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Post by Ree » Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:59 pm

the devil was referring to the 1 vote for "its a great movie".
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:17 pm

danielsan_190196 wrote:I voted Tadayoshi Yamamuro, the motherfucker deserved it :lol:
What did he do?
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
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Post by Ajay » Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:39 pm

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danielsan_190196 wrote:I voted Tadayoshi Yamamuro, the motherfucker deserved it :lol:
What did he do?
Nothing, I don't really know why he phrased it so aggressively.

He's just responsible for the horrible character designs we have now, and his inability/reluctance to adopt contemporary animation techniques leaves his work feeling underwhelming.

Basically, he's one of the big reasons that modern Dragon Ball is not as visually appealing as it once was.
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Post by baneofdemon22 » Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:44 pm

Holy cow! Except for the the last few categories (which I was indifferent about), I apparently agree with everyone!

I voted:

1. Dragon Ball Z- Although this was tough for me. I love Masako Nozawa's performance as Kid Goku, and she's the reason why I prefer the anime over the manga. But Dragon Ball Z is a continuation of Dragon Ball, so I kind of felt like I was voting for both of them.
2. Prefer the Anime simply because of the performances by the Japanese cast.
3. Namek arc as my favorite
4. Son Goku being my favorite character- This was what I was most happy about! He's my favorite fictional character!
5. Battle of Gods being my favorite movie
6. Bio Broly is my least favorite movie
7. Kamehameha is my favorite attack
8. Freeza is my favorite villain
9. I prefer the Japanese cast, but I think they're doing great stuff at Funimation with Kai and the recent movies
10. Super Saiyan 1 is my favorite transformation
11. Freeza's final form is my favorite transformation outside Super Saiyan

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Post by Soppa Saia People » Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:00 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:
Hero wrote:
MarCas92 wrote:Here are the results! Also, apologies for using the English titles. I normally type out the Japanese titles but it's a lot easier to type "Tree of Might" than it is to type out "The Super Decisive Battle for Earth". So without further ado here are the results with 160 responses.

Favorite Anime:
Just :shock: :shock: :shock: at Super only getting 1%. I wonder if it's because it's so new or it was just generally unliked by the people who voted.
I know I generally dislike it. I may currently like GT more, actually. I wouldn't know since I only watched the horrific dub of that series.
Doesn't GT have a good dub ?
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Post by MarCas92 » Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:56 pm

soppa saia people wrote: Doesn't GT have a good dub ?
Yes and no....

The vocal performances are up for debate. In terms of how accurate the script is, it's mostly faithful with a LOT of american embellishment. It's somewhere in the middle between DBZ and DB in terms of faithfulness.

But the thing most people complain about is Mark Menza's lackluster score along with the horrible rap opening. Even a lot of GT haters love the original Japanese score. To some people it's the best thing about GT, so the replacement score gets a lot of hate.

Also, they skipped the first 14 episodes just to jump into the more action oriented stuff here in the states.

However, the DVD releases now contain the whole series as well as the Original Japanese score with the English voices, so it's all really moot at this point. The only valid complaints now are the voices and accuracy of the script.
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Post by rereboy » Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:54 am

Hero wrote:
Just :shock: :shock: :shock: at Super only getting 1%. I wonder if it's because it's so new or it was just generally unliked by the people who voted.
The question was about their favorite. Even if 100% of people liked Super and thought it is great, the same 100% of people can consider DBZ as better or their favorite which would give Super 0% of the votes.

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:43 am

soppa saia people wrote: Doesn't GT have a good dub ?
Not at all.

>The OST is absolutely abysmal. The same theme plays in every single scene. This is the #1 issue with the dub.
> I've never been a fan of Kid Goku's dub voice, so you can imagine how I felt listening to it all the time here. Pan's voice is also...eh.
> A lot of dialogue was altered. Much of which led to Pan coming off as even more bratty and annoying.
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Post by Gaffer Tape » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:04 am

The response to Super doesn't surprise me. Like rereboy says, the question was one "favorite" series, not multiple series you liked. Super is still so new that I doubt anybody on these forums was brought into the franchise with Super. Realistically, if you've been a fan of Dragon Ball for years, and you had to pick one series, would you pick Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, or Dragon Ball Super? Honestly, the fact that it got 1% surprises me more than anything. And that's not a judgment of its quality (I haven't even seen a single episode). Even if it was absolutely amazing, I'd have a hard time believing it's had enough time to not only cement its own reputation but surpass the reputation of every other iteration of the franchise.

I am personally surprised by the 10th anniversary movie getting the top slot of Dragon Ball movies. Personally, I think it's terrible, and I've only rarely been able to make it through the whole thing. As far as I'm concerned, movies 2 and 3 are much better at telling an interesting story, capturing the early Dragon Ball charm, and just being aesthetically pleasing. But that's just my personal taste.

The only thing that *really* surprised me was that anime beat out manga. In other venues perhaps, but on Kanzenshuu? That surprises me.
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Post by Doctor. » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:45 am

Gaffer Tape wrote:Realistically, if you've been a fan of Dragon Ball for years, and you had to pick one series, would you pick Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, or Dragon Ball Super
I'd pick Kai :P

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Post by JulieYBM » Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:27 pm

Speaking of which, I've still not seen the Tenth Anniversary film. I've seen all of about five or ten minutes of it so far. Yama'uchi Shigeyasu's directing is really good, though, so it's been fun. It's definitely the best storyboarding in any of the films, barring Chioka Kimitoshi's first thirty or so minutes of the 2013 film.
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Post by Kuririn Fan » Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:21 pm

Z is cool, but OG Dragon Ball is where it's at.
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Post by Soppa Saia People » Thu Oct 22, 2015 3:49 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:
soppa saia people wrote: Doesn't GT have a good dub ?
Not at all.

>The OST is absolutely abysmal. The same theme plays in every single scene. This is the #1 issue with the dub.
> I've never been a fan of Kid Goku's dub voice, so you can imagine how I felt listening to it all the time here. Pan's voice is also...eh.
> A lot of dialogue was altered. Much of which led to Pan coming off as even more bratty and annoying.
As MarCas92 metion that first point is moot and the second one is a matter of opinion. The 3rd point is true though.
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Post by Kuririn Fan » Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:06 pm

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Faustus wrote:Not much, but I'm glad to see my opinions on a) Freeza's 4th form's design and b) the fanbase validated by the rest of y'all.
Own up! Who put Tadayoshi Yamamuro for "Favourite Villain"? That's absolutely hilarious.
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Isn't Yamamuro supposed to be one of the if not the best animator?
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Post by JulieYBM » Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:11 pm

Kuririn Fan wrote: Isn't Yamamuro supposed to be one of the if the best animator?
Dragon Ball Z Episode #232 is the one piece of good animation I've seen come from Yamamuro and I'm not even sure if he did the key animation for it himself. For all I know the only reason he did so good was because of relentless retakes from Episode Director Yama'uchi Shigeyasu, too.
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Post by Kuririn Fan » Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:09 am

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Kuririn Fan wrote: Isn't Yamamuro supposed to be one of the if the best animator?
Dragon Ball Z Episode #232 is the one piece of good animation I've seen come from Yamamuro and I'm not even sure if he did the key animation for it himself. For all I know the only reason he did so good was because of relentless retakes from Episode Director Yama'uchi Shigeyasu, too.
I don't know, man, even Kanzenshuu says that he's really good. I know that he was involved in Super ep 13 and RoF and those fights have beautiful martial arts and choreography because he trained at the Shaolin Temple or something, so he knows his shit. :p

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Post by JulieYBM » Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:36 am

Kuririn Fan wrote: I don't know, man, even Kanzenshuu says that he's really good.
He wasn't terrible twenty years ago. Now he is now, though.
I know that he was involved in Super ep 13 and RoF and those fights have beautiful martial arts and choreography because he trained at the Shaolin Temple or something, so he knows his shit. :p
None of those fights we good, outside of the one bit from the end of Episode #13 animated by Takahashi Yuuya. Yamamuro has a history of altering his animators' drawings heavily, enough so for all of his good animators working on the 2015 movie to have none of their work match their usual high-levels. This alone is reason enough to drop him, he isn't encouraging or employing the strengths of his staff. Takahashi's bit from Episode #13 somehow managed to avoid this somewhat but it's briefness left little for him accomplish or show off.
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