Spopovich - He's around 21st TB Yamcha, but would win all close fights because of freak durability. 21st TB Kuririn and Namu would probably get the job done.
Pocus - Between Nail and Ginyu.
Yakon - Slightly above 10% Freeza.
Dabra - Marginally stronger than Perfect Cell
I don't read too much into Kaioshin fear. Dude suffers from PTSD, the moment he faced Babidi and his men, his cool demeanor turned 180 degrees. Even though he felt SSJ2 Gohan.
Power of Babidi's henchmen
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Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen
Yakon was possibly from the Demon Realm as well, since Kaioshin calls him a "demon beast". It's actually my head canon that the whole gang, including Babidi, is from the Demon Realm.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen
According to this....
1 Kiri = 50,000
This puts Yakon at a max power level of 40,000,000 (800 Kiri max according to Babbidi) and Goku at 150,000,000. Goku's makes since if you just assume he's not at full power.
So Yakon is a bit weaker than 50% Freeza (he's equal to 33% Freeza to be exact).
Dabra is around Perfect Cell's level (likely a bit stronger).
Pui Pui is anywhere from Raditz to Final Form Freeza below. There just isn't enough info to make any estimates narrower than that. You could make the argument he's a lot stronger than Raditz due to him taking a few blows from Vegeta. But you can just as easily say Vegeta was playing around until he got bored.
Taking all this into account. If the all the Kaio-Shins (sans East) can defeat Freeza in one hit, and East Kaioshin is afraid of Yakon, he must be pretty pathetic compared to the rest of the Kaioshin.
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1 Kiri = 50,000
This puts Yakon at a max power level of 40,000,000 (800 Kiri max according to Babbidi) and Goku at 150,000,000. Goku's makes since if you just assume he's not at full power.
So Yakon is a bit weaker than 50% Freeza (he's equal to 33% Freeza to be exact).
Dabra is around Perfect Cell's level (likely a bit stronger).
Pui Pui is anywhere from Raditz to Final Form Freeza below. There just isn't enough info to make any estimates narrower than that. You could make the argument he's a lot stronger than Raditz due to him taking a few blows from Vegeta. But you can just as easily say Vegeta was playing around until he got bored.
Taking all this into account. If the all the Kaio-Shins (sans East) can defeat Freeza in one hit, and East Kaioshin is afraid of Yakon, he must be pretty pathetic compared to the rest of the Kaioshin.
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You can't exclude East Kaioushin from that though, as his statement mentions that there were five Kaioushin at the time, each one of them able to take out Freeza in a single blow, and he was one of those five.MarCas92 wrote: Taking all this into account. If the all the Kaio-Shins (sans East) can defeat Freeza in one hit, and East Kaioshin is afraid of Yakon, he must be pretty pathetic compared to the rest of the Kaioshin.
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Wait so Yakon does have an official BP of 40,000,000.
Ugh, I'm really tempted to use it but then he will be half of Goku's strength.
Ugh, I'm really tempted to use it but then he will be half of Goku's strength.
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Mind you, the "official" stuff back then also claims the universe only had four galaxies...and that's pretty much been shot down in the latest episode of Super...which didn't surprise me at all, since I had been saying the four galaxy thing was bogus for a long time. Just like those Kili = 50,000 BP statements.
Instead of relying on those decades old guides, why not wait for the new ones to come out?
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Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen
Goku only transformed to a Super Saiyan because he wanted to be able to see, not because Yakon was too strong to handle in his base form. 40 million would fit well here.Zombie wrote:Wait so Yakon does have an official BP of 40,000,000.
Ugh, I'm really tempted to use it but then he will be half of Goku's strength.
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Not with Gohan wanting to team up with him to defeat Yakon.DanielSSJ wrote:Goku only transformed to a Super Saiyan becuae he wanted to see, not because Yakon was to strong. 40 million would fit well here.Zombie wrote:Wait so Yakon does have an official BP of 40,000,000.
Ugh, I'm really tempted to use it but then he will be half of Goku's strength.
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Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen
Please note that the statement was just working backward from the assumption that SS Goku had a power level of 150,000,000... in the Buu arc.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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That's probably the case. It makes sense. But it's easy to justify: he's not using his full power. Later on in the fight you see him rev it up. He's clearly holding back.RandomGuy96 wrote:Please note that the statement was just working backward from the assumption that SS Goku had a power level of 150,000,000... in the Buu arc.
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Pui-Pui: Vegeta (Saiyan Saga)... I'm being generous
Yakon: Freeza
Dabra: Perfect Cell (50%)
Spopovich: Has a ki level of over 1000 but is still weaker than Mr. Satan
Yakon: Freeza
Dabra: Perfect Cell (50%)
Spopovich: Has a ki level of over 1000 but is still weaker than Mr. Satan
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