Acceptance of characters' strength

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I take that as simply gohan getting much weaker and being out of practice.I somehow doubt ssj goten and trunks are at cell jr/fp ssj goku lvl from cell saga,that is way to powerful.

If it were solely the Gohan situation, one could argue that.

While Gohan has atrophied since the Cell arc, he was still strong enough to be slightly advantaged against Dabra, so I wouldn't say he became so weak that he wasn't CG FPSS tier anymore. Goten by extension would be FPSS CG tier.

[Khin]

As for the kids,id say most over estimate them,using the gohan/goten example.I take that as simply gohan getting much weaker and being out of practice.I somehow doubt ssj goten and trunks are at cell jr/fp ssj goku lvl from cell saga,that is way to powerful.

You had doubts because ?? Just because they're only kids that doesn't mean they can't be powerfull.Goten and Trunks being around Gohan level is valid reasoning since it doesn't contradict anything.And it's not just the Gohan scene.It was hinted many times in the series that the kids are above Piccolo.

Why do people overate Broly so much? He didn't do anything that Android 13 did not do. I watched movie 7 recently and the beatdown Goku and co received was just as brutal as Broly. For some mysterious reason, Broly gets more credit and is hyped to SSJ3 levels.

It mainly comes from the FUNI Dub which Broli states that his power rises overtime or some shit like that.

[buutenks]

Why do people overate Broly so much? He didn't do anything that Android 13 did not do. I watched movie 7 recently and the beatdown Goku and co received was just as brutal as Broly. For some mysterious reason, Broly gets more credit and is hyped to SSJ3 levels.

Well that is pretty obvious.Android 13 beat up ssj goku,ssj vegeta that fought android 18 and got his butt kicked and so on,while broly fought ussj vegeta and trunks fpssj goku and fpssj gohan.On top of that he took a kameha from FPssj goku and broly didnt even flinch,while a powered up perfect cell got his torso blown away.

Broly lost due to plot device in both movies,so i dont think he is over hyped,granted idk to what extend some people place him at.I put him at in between ssj2 and ssj3.

[Tectorman]

This entire thread just reeks of "I just can't understand why other people can't see things the way I do. Don't they realize that I know better?"

Well sometimes people know better than others. Should we let people stay ignorant because it's their 'opinion'?

Over a subjective interpretation of a work of fiction? Define "ignorant." In half of these cases, there is enough vague or conflicting "evidence" to screw up any ironclad argument.

So yes. If you can't prove for damn sure that you are right, don't play the victim just because other people "just can't se the truth as clearly as you."

I agree with Kamiccolo9 here.

My take is that, unless you're Mr. Toriyama or someone else who was actually involved in the writing of a particular scene (i.e., someone who can actually issue a Word of God on the subject), then all you have is an interpretation. All I have is an interpretation; all you have is an interpretation; all the poster of the fifteenth post of the thread right below this one (and I don't even know who that is) has is an interpretation; all anyone on this forum has is an interpretation.

Furthermore, I don't hold that there's any such thing as a "correct" interpretation. What you (me, anyone else) have is something that exists on a spectrum somewhere between "incorrect" and "not-incorrect" (and yes, there is a difference between "not-incorrect" and "correct"). If you're at "not-incorrect", then good for you. But that doesn't make you "correct", nor the people that disagree with you and interpret differently "incorrect".

[emperior]

Gohan even commented about how he had to train more or the kids would have caught up to him. You also forget Goten and Trunks "played" sparring matches, so without even noticing they probably trained for some years in a very good way, and them being Saiyan prodigies skyrocketed their progress.
I think Goten and Trunks are surely stronger than CG Piccolo and around Trunks' CG level (slightly weaker than Vegeta).

[apex_pretador]

Gohan even commented about how he had to train more or the kids would have caught up to him. You also forget Goten and Trunks "played" sparring matches, so without even noticing they probably trained for some years in a very good way, and them being Saiyan prodigies skyrocketed their progress.
I think Goten and Trunks are surely stronger than CG Piccolo and around Trunks' CG level (slightly weaker than Vegeta).

I agree, but I put kids a bit lower, like CG piccolo level / a notch below cell kids.
(Their SS dads are below cell , so why wont they be below cell kids?)

Even in base form, they were frightening to krillin, the "strongest" human on earth.

[TobyS]

Even in base form, they were frightening to krillin, the "strongest" human on earth.

Does Kuririn specifically say if he is frightened of them while in base? I don't remember him specifying. On the other hand does he even know they CAN turn SS?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Even in base form, they were frightening to krillin, the "strongest" human on earth.

Does Kuririn specifically say if he is frightened of them while in base? I don't remember him specifying. On the other hand does he even know they CAN turn SS?

He was there on the plane when they agreed to not turn Super Saiyan.

[DBZAOTA482]

Even in base form, they were frightening to krillin, the "strongest" human on earth.

Does Kuririn specifically say if he is frightened of them while in base? I don't remember him specifying. On the other hand does he even know they CAN turn SS?

Krillin never specifically says it but he was relieved to not fight them in the adult division.

[DanielSSJ]

This whole situation is why I don't stick characters in ridged, unchanging placements, saying that "Character A is exactly this strong because of reason 1." When doing power levels, I usually place the character in some wide range of power and pick some random placement that I like.

[TobyS]

Even in base form, they were frightening to krillin, the "strongest" human on earth.

Does Kuririn specifically say if he is frightened of them while in base? I don't remember him specifying. On the other hand does he even know they CAN turn SS?

Krillin never specifically says it but he was relieved to not fight them in the adult division.

It matters because of strength placement.

Scenario one:
Kuririn is scared of the kids and doesn't know they are SS = base Kids > Humans.
Scenario two:
Kuririn is scared of the kids because he knows they are SS = super kids > Human > Base kids (was Kuririn on the plane with the no SS rule??)
Scenario three:
Kuririn is not scared of the kids because he doesn't know they are SS = Humans > Base kids (didn't happen because Kuririn is scared of base/didn't know they were SS)
Scenario four:
Kuririn is not scared of the kids and knows they can go SS = Humans > Super kids > Base kids (This is the only scenario that is excluded by the above)
Scenario five:
It's a gag about how strong the kids are/Kuririn is being self deprecating/doesn't actually know how strong the kids are/may be scared of them by reputation/knows he's stronger but they are close enough to pose a threat if he slips up.

He's after a placement high enough to get money, they are stronger then normal people so it makes sense he would feel relief (could be that rather than fear) that 2 super human opponents are gone to be replaced with human mooks.

It's like the kids vs 18 there's too much left vague/open to interpretation.