If You Could Permanently Kill Off One Character...

Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
User avatar
ABED
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 20481
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:23 am
Location: Sarasota, FL
Contact:

Re: If You Could Permanently Kill Off One Character...

Post by ABED » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:08 am

TheMikado wrote:
ABED wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:I was gonna Yamcha just to put him out of his misery but I'd go with Goku as well... he's boring now and his character is well past his prime.
Then it's no longer Dragon Ball.
The Dragonballs existed long before Goku and theoritically should exist long after. I'd love to see some pre Goku Dragonball action. Or Dragonball after Goku is long gone.
The Dragon Balls aren't what define the show, it's the characters, the main one being Goku.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.

User avatar
TheMikado
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 5009
Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:28 pm

Re: If You Could Permanently Kill Off One Character...

Post by TheMikado » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:17 am

ABED wrote:
TheMikado wrote:
ABED wrote: Then it's no longer Dragon Ball.
The Dragonballs existed long before Goku and theoritically should exist long after. I'd love to see some pre Goku Dragonball action. Or Dragonball after Goku is long gone.
The Dragon Balls aren't what define the show, it's the characters, the main one being Goku.
Then they should have just named it Goku & Friends.

User avatar
ABED
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 20481
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:23 am
Location: Sarasota, FL
Contact:

Re: If You Could Permanently Kill Off One Character...

Post by ABED » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:20 am

Then they should have just named it Goku & Friends.
No, Dragon Ball is a better sounding title. There's no rule that the title should . And it's not like they aren't important to the story. They bring the characters together and are a constant fixture of the show, but the show isn't defined by them.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.

User avatar
TheMikado
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 5009
Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:28 pm

Re: If You Could Permanently Kill Off One Character...

Post by TheMikado » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:25 am

ABED wrote:
Then they should have just named it Goku & Friends.
No, Dragon Ball is a better sounding title. There's no rule that the title should . And it's not like they aren't important to the story. They bring the characters together and are a constant fixture of the show, but the show isn't defined by them.
I'm being sarcastic, but Bulma is arguable the main protagonist in the original Dragonball series, having both the plot device and motivation to move the story forward. The point is Dragonball can 100% exist as a story without Goku as evident by the many times he was out of commission or other characters were brought to the forefront. They problem is that Goku is popular so while the story can certainly survive without him the sales will not.

User avatar
ABED
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 20481
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:23 am
Location: Sarasota, FL
Contact:

Re: If You Could Permanently Kill Off One Character...

Post by ABED » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:32 am

I'm being sarcastic, but Bulma is arguable the main protagonist in the original Dragonball series, having both the plot device and motivation to move the story forward. The point is Dragonball can 100% exist as a story without Goku as evident by the many times he was out of commission or other characters were brought to the forefront. They problem is that Goku is popular so while the story can certainly survive without him the sales will not.
Yes, she was the one with the Dragon Balls and the motivation to bring them together, but that doesn't make her the main character especially since that stops being the case after that first arc.

Goku was out of commission, but the other characters were constantly waiting around for him. Stories are reflections of their main character(s) and the Dragon Ball world fits Goku more than anyone else.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.

User avatar
DBZAOTA482
Banned
Posts: 6995
Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:04 pm
Contact:

Re: If You Could Permanently Kill Off One Character...

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:40 am

ABED wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:I was gonna Yamcha just to put him out of his misery but I'd go with Goku as well... he's boring now and his character is well past his prime.
Then it's no longer Dragon Ball.
Well that's a stupid thing to say. It's not like the series' overall themes and whatnot would die along with him. In fact, Gohan can embody the story's themes better and more.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

User avatar
ABED
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 20481
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:23 am
Location: Sarasota, FL
Contact:

Re: If You Could Permanently Kill Off One Character...

Post by ABED » Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:13 am

Well that's a stupid thing to say.
And that's a rude thing to say. Disagree all you want, just be civil about it.
It's not like the series' overall themes and whatnot would die along with him. In fact, Gohan can embody the story's themes better and more.
No, but no one best embodies the feel of the show more than Goku. The show is about fighting, how does Gohan embody that better than Goku? Lastly, I have a very difficult time thinking of a long running story that benefitted from putting the focus on another main character after a lengthy run.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.

Saikyo no Senshi
Advanced Regular
Posts: 1205
Joined: Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:08 am
Location: Earth
Contact:

Re: If You Could Permanently Kill Off One Character...

Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:27 pm

I have to agree with ABED here no Gokuu no Dragon Ball.

- Travis

User avatar
Xeztin
I Live Here
Posts: 2244
Joined: Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:15 pm
Location: Toyotarō's Place

Re: If You Could Permanently Kill Off One Character...

Post by Xeztin » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:57 pm

Mine would be Yamcha or Tien because they haven't really done much other than get in the way

User avatar
Lord Beerus
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 21430
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:20 pm
Location: A temple on a giant tree
Contact:

Re: If You Could Permanently Kill Off One Character...

Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:28 pm

Yamcha. Seriously, that guy has contributed nothing of significance in the story since 1986.

User avatar
ABED
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 20481
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:23 am
Location: Sarasota, FL
Contact:

Re: If You Could Permanently Kill Off One Character...

Post by ABED » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:33 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Yamcha. Seriously, that guy has contributed nothing of significance in the story since 1986.
If you're going to kill off a character, make it mean a lot.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.

User avatar
Xeztin
I Live Here
Posts: 2244
Joined: Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:15 pm
Location: Toyotarō's Place

Re: If You Could Permanently Kill Off One Character...

Post by Xeztin » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:36 pm

ABED wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:Yamcha. Seriously, that guy has contributed nothing of significance in the story since 1986.
If you're going to kill off a character, make it mean a lot.
Then I'd say Future Trunks, I mean it's a big enough deal to make an impact but also nothing that will keep the main story from continuing.

precita
Banned
Posts: 6037
Joined: Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:10 pm

Re: If You Could Permanently Kill Off One Character...

Post by precita » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:47 pm

Xeztin wrote:Mine would be Yamcha or Tien because they haven't really done much other than get in the way
Yamcha and Tenshinhan were relevant all the way to the end of the Cell saga.

User avatar
Lord Beerus
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 21430
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:20 pm
Location: A temple on a giant tree
Contact:

Re: If You Could Permanently Kill Off One Character...

Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:19 pm

ABED wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:Yamcha. Seriously, that guy has contributed nothing of significance in the story since 1986.
If you're going to kill off a character, make it mean a lot.
If that's the case, then I'd kill off Goku.
Last edited by Lord Beerus on Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
dbzfan7
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 13045
Joined: Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:55 am
Location: Earth
Contact:

Re: If You Could Permanently Kill Off One Character...

Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:33 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:If that's the case, then I'd kill of Goku.
He's really the character who has to stay, and yet is the only character who's death would actually mean anything. Goku is our last line of defense and our albeit shitty protector. If he goes, we panic. He's the one who gets shit done. When he's gone, things tell to go to hell til he appears to save the day. If Goku was dead and everything was left off to Vegeta for example, there would be a huge pressure since Vegeta usually fucks up somehow. Yet now he'd have to succeed where Goku for once fails. Goku makes us feel relief.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!

User avatar
PsionicWarrior
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1569
Joined: Mon May 09, 2016 2:33 pm

Re: If You Could Permanently Kill Off One Character...

Post by PsionicWarrior » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:05 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
ABED wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:Yamcha. Seriously, that guy has contributed nothing of significance in the story since 1986.
If you're going to kill off a character, make it mean a lot.
If that's the case, then I'd kill of Goku.
Touché :lol:
ABED wrote:
TheMikado wrote:The Dragonballs existed long before Goku and theoritically should exist long after. I'd love to see some pre Goku Dragonball action. Or Dragonball after Goku is long gone.
The Dragon Balls aren't what define the show, it's the characters, the main one being Goku.
Disagree, the Dragon Balls are exactly what defines the show. Characters have their importance but they're just all part of the bigger picture. It's like medieval tales, you could say it revolves around King Arthur or Lancelot, but in fact is about the grail.

User avatar
Lord Beerus
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 21430
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:20 pm
Location: A temple on a giant tree
Contact:

Re: If You Could Permanently Kill Off One Character...

Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:40 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:If that's the case, then I'd kill of Goku.
He's really the character who has to stay, and yet is the only character who's death would actually mean anything. Goku is our last line of defense and our albeit shitty protector. If he goes, we panic. He's the one who gets shit done. When he's gone, things tell to go to hell til he appears to save the day. If Goku was dead and everything was left off to Vegeta for example, there would be a huge pressure since Vegeta usually fucks up somehow. Yet now he'd have to succeed where Goku for once fails. Goku makes us feel relief.
Goku is one hell of a double edged sword of a character, ain't he? He's invaluable to the cast but at the same time he also contributes to the mess that the core cast have to clean up 90% of the time. Goku is such a unique crutch character, but the sad thing about this is that in-universe, he's fully aware of how much of crutch character he is. That's why he so quick to try to remedy any fuck ups he makes because he knows that if his fuck ups lead to him biting the dust, the rest of the cast would up shit creek without a paddle. They literally can't function without him.

User avatar
ABED
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 20481
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:23 am
Location: Sarasota, FL
Contact:

Re: If You Could Permanently Kill Off One Character...

Post by ABED » Fri Jul 08, 2016 8:14 pm

Disagree, the Dragon Balls are exactly what defines the show. Characters have their importance but they're just all part of the bigger picture. It's like medieval tales, you could say it revolves around King Arthur or Lancelot, but in fact is about the grail.
No, the grail and the Dragon Balls are the McGuffins. The characters are what matters.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.

User avatar
dbzfan7
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 13045
Joined: Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:55 am
Location: Earth
Contact:

Re: If You Could Permanently Kill Off One Character...

Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Jul 08, 2016 8:20 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:If that's the case, then I'd kill of Goku.
He's really the character who has to stay, and yet is the only character who's death would actually mean anything. Goku is our last line of defense and our albeit shitty protector. If he goes, we panic. He's the one who gets shit done. When he's gone, things tell to go to hell til he appears to save the day. If Goku was dead and everything was left off to Vegeta for example, there would be a huge pressure since Vegeta usually fucks up somehow. Yet now he'd have to succeed where Goku for once fails. Goku makes us feel relief.
Goku is one hell of a double edged sword of a character, ain't he? He's invaluable to the cast but at the same time he also contributes to the mess that the core cast have to clean up 90% of the time. Goku is such a unique crutch character, but the sad thing about this is that in-universe, he's fully aware of how much of crutch character he is. That's why he so quick to try to remedy any fuck ups he makes because he knows that if his fuck ups lead to him biting the dust, the rest of the cast would up shit creek without a paddle. They literally can't function without him.
Exactly, which is why he's really the only character who's death actually really would mean anything at this point. Krillin, Gohan, Vegeta, hell anyone else can die, and it won't really mean much. Goku is the big lead. So as long as he's around, we still know the heroes have a good chance. But also the world goes to shit without him since no one else is capable of protecting it. It's why his early 2 deaths were such a big deal. First one cause holy shit Goku actually died, who'd have thought that would happen. And the other being we're left with his timid son who is not a battle hardened warrior like he is.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!

Captain Strawberry
Advanced Regular
Posts: 1265
Joined: Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:59 pm
Location: Where I wander

Re: If You Could Permanently Kill Off One Character...

Post by Captain Strawberry » Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:32 am

Zeno should be killed off. Seems very possible to me for some reason.
Kuro Tenshi

I am just a simple traveller

Post Reply