Dragon Ball Dubs when compared to One Piece & Naruto Dub

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Post by Kaboom » Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:12 pm

Wow, I got in on this one late. But I guess I'll speak my mind...

- The One Piece dub just plain sucks. 4Kids has completely trashed it, turning poor Oda-sensei's comedic, action-packed, and intricate masterpeice into a laughing stock barely any better than, well, most of 4Kid's other stuff. And I quite frankly despise them for it.

- Viz has handled Naruto beautifully, if you ask me. The voice acting has perfect for the characters. Yes, even Naruto himself; he's supposed to sound young and annoying! I'm looking forward to seeing Jiraiya in a couple weeks. Also, even the TV-edited version is, I think, pushing Toonami's limits in terms of what they leave in, which is a good thing. And of course,Viz is giving us our uncut/original japanese versions. Perfetto.

- DBZ... well, what needs to be said that hasn't been already? FUNi's handling of DragonBall overall has, in my opinion, gotten better over the years, goofy nonsensical name-changing aside. But quite honestly, I've gotten more than used to the current VA's, whether FUNi decides to have 'em say "DRAGON FIIIIIIRRREEEE!!!" or not. FUNimation deserves more credit than it's been getting, if you ask me.

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Post by GI_Judd2287 » Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:43 pm

Well, I actually THOUGHT Viz was doing a great job until I learned about some of the newer edits. I'm thinking about getting into One Piece, but with Viz at the helm... I'm not so sure. Censorship annoys me a lot more than bad dubbing.
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Post by Sebastian (SB) » Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:54 pm

GI_Judd2287 wrote:Well, I actually THOUGHT Viz was doing a great job until I learned about some of the newer edits. I'm thinking about getting into One Piece, but with Viz at the helm... I'm not so sure. Censorship annoys me a lot more than bad dubbing.
Viz has not been as great as their previous times, but with Shonen Jump getting more & more popular (especially with its intended audience), who can blame them. They're generally doing a great job with the One Piece Manga & Naruto dub (especially with the Uncut release with Japanese subtitles). As far as the One Piece anime, I'd reccomend Kaizoku-Fansubs. Sorry, but with the current treatment that its been getting from 4Kids, it's probably best that way.
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Post by Super Sonic » Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:41 pm

One Piece also had to deal with FCC regulations when it was on Fox. Hear they don't allow smoking on kids' shows anymore. Though I haven't really watched them, I hear that the eps that premiered on CN first are less censored. And I have to say that show is an example of the dub actor sounding similar to the Japanese actor not always being positive. Both Luffy's are about equally high pitched in my view.

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Post by Sebastian (SB) » Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:54 pm

Super Sonic wrote:One Piece also had to deal with FCC regulations when it was on Fox. Hear they don't allow smoking on kids' shows anymore. Though I haven't really watched them, I hear that the eps that premiered on CN first are less censored. And I have to say that show is an example of the dub actor sounding similar to the Japanese actor not always being positive. Both Luffy's are about equally high pitched in my view.
Except that Luffy's English VA high pitched voice wasn't as smooth or smooth flowing as Mayumi Tanaka's, so I wouldn't say they're exactly the same....at all.
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Post by desirecampbell » Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:30 am

Super Sonic wrote:One Piece also had to deal with FCC regulations when it was on Fox. Hear they don't allow smoking on kids' shows anymore. Though I haven't really watched them, I hear that the eps that premiered on CN first are less censored. And I have to say that show is an example of the dub actor sounding similar to the Japanese actor not always being positive. Both Luffy's are about equally high pitched in my view.
Actually, that reminds me of Pokemon (was that 4kids as well?). Pokemon seemed pretty clean cut (no idea if that's due to censorship, or if it's just like that) but I clearly remember on episode where every other shot was a breast. The episode never made mention of the unbelievable number of breast shots, but it still kind of creeped me out.

Anyway. I can't watch One Piece. I've tried. I pains me. I don't even hear what they're saying - the voices are terrible.

Which brings me to FMA and Naruto. Both well done, especially the voices - well, except the main characters :( I don't know what it is about Vic Mignogna and Maile Flanagan's voices, but they just drive me insane. It's especially disheartening because I love Aaron Dismuke as Al - his voice is absolutely perfect. He is Al to me, I can find no difference between him and Rie Kugimiya, and just hearing Al in English makes my heart leap.

Strangely, while I don't particularly like and of the Dragonball dub cast, I don't really hate any of them either (I can even stomach Freeza's old-woman-voice in small doses).

And now I was going to write about how 'Rock the Dragon' makes me cringe - but it made me remember the One Piece rap. I now have to go throw up.

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Post by Conan the SSJ » Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:27 am

desirecampbell wrote:Which brings me to FMA and Naruto. Both well done, especially the voices - well, except the main characters :( I don't know what it is about Vic Mignogna and Maile Flanagan's voices, but they just drive me insane. It's especially disheartening because I love Aaron Dismuke as Al - his voice is absolutely perfect. He is Al to me, I can find no difference between him and Rie Kugimiya, and just hearing Al in English makes my heart leap.
Vic Mignoga's alright, pretty darn good IMO, it's just his acting in the 5-12 year old Edward scenes/episodes that grate me. A 5-12 year old should not sound like an angsty 19 year old, he should sound like...Aaron Dismuke's portrayal of Al, or at the very least a pretty damn good female VA. When it's Edward 14 and up, he's practically perfect in my book. But hell...it grates at me so much, I'd have preferred Stephanie Nadolny in those prepubescent moments. >_>

Damn, not a FMA thread or forum, sorry!

Anywho, about these dubs. One Piece...what can be said, I can't even call this a dub, just an extremely crappy adaptation of a continuing piece of art. It wasn't just about Fox standards, 4Kids made the most ridiculous paint edits that were in no way needed, dialogue and even character background alterations were insanely atrocious, and.....32 EPISODES worth, including entire arcs and whatnot, were cut/merged just to get to Chopper.....And I won't even dare to bother with the voices. Needless to say, if I even glimpse this "adaptation", I cringe like I'm having a seizure. Did I mention the on-going-on-going "music" that makes DBZ season 3 look like a masterpiece?....*seizures!!*

Regarding Naruto, Viz has done an astounding job with it. One small thing that gripes me is that retarded catch phrase ShoPro felt they had to give Naruto. I'm actually thinking of playing a "Believe it!" drinking game next time there's a marathon (shot for each time it's blurted, must not die from alcohol poisoning). But I must say, the Naruto dub has some very talented VAs at the helm as well, almost none of which I have issues with. Another small irritating aspect to me, though, is ShoPro/Viz's marketing strategy. I mean, while it's insanely smart on their part, their edit singles cost overall more than the Uncut releases and hence there is NO reason to buy them; why keep releasing them? And I'm also pining for a Ps2 game with optional Japanese VAs (c'mon, three DBZ releases have done it, one of which was a PsP game!). But hell, in the long-run, Naruto's dub kicks ass and is nicely on par to the likes of FMA, original DB, Evangelion, among others. Side note: that theme song....."Rise for some Salt", or whatever the hell it's called, is the only thing in Naruto that absolutely annoys me to no end. Rock the Dragon and even the Yu-Gi-Oh! dub themes are better than this, it's not quite as bad as the GT or OP openings, but it's awful enough to cause a cringe or two. >>;;

DBZ...Well, FUNi have definitely improved over the years. Their original DB dub was certainly leaps and bounds ahead of DBZ (and damn straight GT, too). The dub for DBZ, eh, it's always been quite literally sub-par. Even when FUNi went ahead with the 67 episode redub, they had the golden opportunity to maintain the original music, which would've perfectly matched the accurate-improved dialogue through out. Did they take it, nope, and they didn't even bother to keep a music continuity to the rest of the dub. Going back to the days of the old Ocean dub, it basically was in a similar situation as One Piece: stuck in syndication having to live up to abnormal standards. But hey, considering it was FUNi's very first dub (following the original go with DB's first 13 eps), along with the standards-and-practices issue (as well as Saban's pressure), they didn't do so bad. They had professional VAs in form of the Ocean Group (with basically 2 or 3 characters that just weren't right), made digital paint edits only where necessary (as well as some pretty damn creative incidents), and only cut what they feared soccer moms and Saban would hound Ft. Worth for. In comparison to the One Piece adaptation, it was a fucking perfect dub! ..... Need I bring GT's dub treatment into the picture?
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Post by Super Sonic » Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:55 pm

One small thing that gripes me is that retarded catch phrase ShoPro felt they had to give Naruto. I'm actually thinking of playing a "Believe it!" drinking game next time there's a marathon (shot for each time it's blurted, must not die from alcohol poisoning).
That's because he has a catchphrase in the original Japanese that he says much more than his catchphrase in English. Though some people who think anything frrom Japan is from the grace of God don't mind it.

Also going back to Goku, when guys say they wish his dubbed voice sounded more like Ms. Nozawa, do they mean that they wanted him to speak with a Japanese accent, or be voiced by a woman or man with a falsetto, or feminine voice?

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Post by Sebastian (SB) » Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:09 pm

Super Sonic wrote:
One small thing that gripes me is that retarded catch phrase ShoPro felt they had to give Naruto. I'm actually thinking of playing a "Believe it!" drinking game next time there's a marathon (shot for each time it's blurted, must not die from alcohol poisoning).
That's because he has a catchphrase in the original Japanese that he says much more than his catchphrase in English. Though some people who think anything frrom Japan is from the grace of God don't mind it.

Also going back to Goku, when guys say they wish his dubbed voice sounded more like Ms. Nozawa, do they mean that they wanted him to speak with a Japanese accent, or be voiced by a woman or man with a falsetto, or feminine voice?
Uhh.....no. I just someone to have much of the dedication to the role that Ms. Nozawa had without sounding too heroic (alas somewhat out of character). Some dialects that would be a counterpart to Son Goku's japanese "hick" accent would be nice touch be not too much to destroy it. Personally, if I had to a pick a English VA for Son Goku, it'd be something like Johhny Yong Bosch. He got that lightness to his voice & he can sound serious at times as well, & he seems very dedicated to his roles, that I think would make a great Son Goku.
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Post by Tsukento » Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:08 pm

Should be noted that Naruto undergoes two editing jobs. One by Viz, the other by Cartoon Network. There tend to be edits in the Cartoon Network broadcast that don't show up in others, like Canadian broadcast.

Personally, I can actually deal with FUNi's dub of Dragon Ball Z more than I could GT's and One Piece's dubs. For whatever reason, GT was made even worse with the amount of changes (including music) and One Piece holds the title for current worst dub.

Here we though it was bad when Dragon Ball Z lost 15 episodes worth of footage. One Piece ended up losing 30 episodes worth of footage. And for what? Skipping ahead to reach Chopper. :\

Though of the three franchises, Naruto does have the better dub as it's aimed toward new fans and older fans. Dragon Ball just seems to be shooting for one specific audience while One Piece is hitting the completely wrong crowd (yes, I realize it is a shounen manga/anime, but it has no place on syndication nor in the hands of 4Kids).
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Post by Super Sonic » Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:58 am

Yeah, at least when Sailor Moon skipped episodes to reach the other girls they were just character development stand-alones that didn't contribute too much. Though it was a shame to not see them as Usagi took care of business on her own without needing Tuxedo Mask. One Piece also had to deal with FCC regulations.

With replacing music, that's not always a bad idea. I remember back when Sailor Moon S premiered with the original music, some of my friends who were hardcore fans of the original Japanese said they didn't think the Japanese background music fit well with the English voices. I also heard that the music on the dub of "Street FIghter II: the Animated Movie" was better than the original Japanese music as well. And I can't really picture Voltron without it's background music.

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Post by Sebastian (SB) » Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:08 pm

Super Sonic wrote: I also heard that the music on the dub of "Street FIghter II: the Animated Movie" was better than the original Japanese music as well.
[Off Topic] I have that movie when it was recently re-released by "Manga" & I have to say.....no. The Japanese music wasn't for everyone (mainly because it compromised of J-Pop), but I still felt it fit the scenes much better & there was some really nice vocal insert songs playing during some fights. My favorite being Chun-li vs. Balrog (or Vega as know him in America). The American dub music sounded like some rock music that just didn't feel right.[/Off Topic]

As far as original music not fitting with dubbed voices, I think its possible if done right or if they decided to go back & remaster it, but we know that's not gonna happen.
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Post by Gokuden553 » Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:51 pm

Over here in the U.K, Naruto on Jetix is just as bad as One Piece... and maby even worse then Ocean Groups DBZ dub :(

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Post by Eclipse » Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:07 pm

Dragon Ball and Naruto dubs rock. End of story (for me that is)

Anyways, musical wise, while we all know how bad One Piece's BGM was (the dub one, mind you), Dragon Ball and Naruto's BGM was left in, and Dragon Ball Z's BGM wasn't really all that bad. OP-wise, I thought that instrumental rock opening with the strange words (RISE! or something) was pretty good, same with 'Rock the Dragon' (Yes, it may not fit, but I like it! :) )

And yeah, we can all safely agree how bad One Piece is.

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Post by Super Sonic » Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:13 pm

That's the name of the song, "Rise". I also like it in the frame of "Rock the Dragon". I thinks it's much better than the first Naruto theme.

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Post by Gokuden553 » Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:23 pm

Compared to Dragon Ball Z, Naruto and One Piece are just as bad in my oppinion :?

*I'm refering to the Jetix Naruto Dub, and not the U.S Naruto dub*

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Post by theoriginalbilis » Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:43 pm

Gokuden553 wrote:
*I'm refering to the Jetix Naruto Dub, and not the U.S Naruto dub*
The UK Jetix dub of Naruto is the same dub as the US dub, it's just that the UK has more content edited out of it's airings. *violence/sexual content*

Whereas, the US Naruto dub has roughly 98% of it's original footage intact (save for the OP/ED)

But yeah: same dub/VA cast, different editing standards.
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Post by Tsukento » Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:21 pm

theoriginalbilis wrote:Whereas, the US Naruto dub has roughly 98% of it's original footage intact (save for the OP/ED)
In regards to broadcast, that is. :P Whereas the uncut DVDs keep the original OP/ED.
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Post by Majin Buu » Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:40 pm

Call me stubbron if you will but I'll never forgive Funimation for ruining DBZ (call it the permenant effect of being converted by Chris Psaros and the DBZOA from a DBZ dubbie into a DBZ dub hater). Most of the alterations they made to the series just irk me to no end. The haming up and librities they took with the dialogue and especially the change of the music being my biggest complaints (for me, one of the most enjoyable aspects of Japanese DBZ is the music). The voices, as inferior to the JPN VAs as they are, I could tolerate if the dialogue and music were left intact (except Freeza and Fat Boo, their dub voices are beyond horrid).

I haven't seen Naruto (though I plan on getting into the series) but I hear the dub is very faithful to the origional.

And the One Piece dub's crappy treatment seems to be universally known among anime fans.

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Post by Li'l Lemmy » Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:30 am

Majin Buu wrote:Call me stubbron if you will . . .
Okay, so yer stubborn.
Majin Buu wrote:. . . but I'll never forgive Funimation for ruining DBZ (call it the permenant effect of being converted by Chris Psaros and the DBZOA from a DBZ dubbie into a DBZ dub hater).
What FUNimation has done cannot be undone. Some of us can live with it, and some of us will bear an unending hatred right up until another company goes to dub English DBZ all over again.

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Majin Buu wrote:Most of the alterations they made to the series just irk me to no end. The haming up and librities they took with the dialogue and especially the change of the music being my biggest complaints (for me, one of the most enjoyable aspects of Japanese DBZ is the music). The voices, as inferior to the JPN VAs as they are, I could tolerate if the dialogue and music were left intact (except Freeza and Fat Boo, their dub voices are beyond horrid).
I don't agree with everything they did either, but in their defense I think it's necessary to take into account that when they were first dubbing the series, there were no real standards to go by regarding what to do and what not to do. DBZ was the first "real" anime property, and FUNimation was alone in this new wilderness without a single footstep to guide them.

While its deplorable, the decisions FUNi may have made back then, I think it went a ways in showing other dubs how to become better at handling their effors.

What we can blame them for is that this sort of thing continued even after they got smarter about it and fans started to speak out, the voices of whom until only just recently have gone largely ignored.
Majin Buu wrote:I haven't seen Naruto (though I plan on getting into the series) but I hear the dub is very faithful to the origional.
I've only seen a snippet here and there. And I have no connection to the original, so you know more than I do.
Majin Buu wrote:And the One Piece dub's crappy treatment seems to be universally known among anime fans.
Okay, now at first I wasn't familiar with the One Piece dub either. Then I watched it . . . and you know, even still I didn't think it was terrible. But then I actually learned about some of the changes they made (some worse than even the first two seasons of DBZ!), and so now I simply don't bother. Why should I get into something I know isn't anything close to the real deal? I doubt the standards will consistently improve the way DBZ has over these past years, and I'm not going to watch to find out whether I'm right or not.

If 4Kids wants to butcher it, then let One Piece fans just pray that a bilingual release may show up somehow, someday.

(Just don't count on it.)
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