Vegeta thinking Goku was a SSJ during Recoome battle

zoiozazu · Post by **zoiozazu** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:12 pm

Pieter wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
Lavender Saiyan wrote:I've always had the theory that his lack of sleep didn't let his power restore fully. Remember how he took a nap before the Freeza fight? Perhaps that gave him another huge real Zenkai.
Same here. Vegeta hadn't slept for almost a week before the Ginyu Force arrived.
That's not it, because he defeated Jeice with ease before the nap.

Wow. Great theory. I never thought in that.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:22 pm

desirecampbell wrote:Besides, being tired doesn't give saiyans a power boost.

It might be why he doesn't recognize his own power, he's "durrr" from lack of sleep.

Jamstar · Post by **Jamstar** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 3:36 pm

Rocketman wrote:
desirecampbell wrote:Besides, being tired doesn't give saiyans a power boost.
It might be why he doesn't recognize his own power, he's "durrr" from lack of sleep.

After Vegeta took out Jeice at that point, did he consider himself a SSJ since he thought Goku was one?

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 3:46 pm

Jamstar wrote:After Vegeta took out Jeice at that point, did he consider himself a SSJ since he thought Goku was one?

Good point. He didn't claim he was a Super Saiyan until after he'd been healed by Dende.

Jamstar · Post by **Jamstar** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 3:56 pm

desirecampbell wrote:
Jamstar wrote:After Vegeta took out Jeice at that point, did he consider himself a SSJ since he thought Goku was one?
Good point. He didn't claim he was a Super Saiyan until after he'd been healed by Dende.

But, didn't he claim Goku was a SSJ after he saw what he did to Recoome?

Pieter · Post by **Pieter** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:08 pm

Jamstar wrote:
desirecampbell wrote:
Jamstar wrote:After Vegeta took out Jeice at that point, did he consider himself a SSJ since he thought Goku was one?
Good point. He didn't claim he was a Super Saiyan until after he'd been healed by Dende.

But, didn't he claim Goku was a SSJ after he saw what he did to Recoome?

Before actually. Before Goku even showed anything of his new power.

Jamstar · Post by **Jamstar** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:22 pm

Pieter wrote:
Jamstar wrote:
desirecampbell wrote: Good point. He didn't claim he was a Super Saiyan until after he'd been healed by Dende.

But, didn't he claim Goku was a SSJ after he saw what he did to Recoome?
Before actually. Before Goku even showed anything of his new power.

Well, why did Vegeta wait until he was healed by Dende before he claimed himself a SSJ. Why not after he defeated Jeice and realized in his mind he was more powerful than Goku at that point.

Pieter · Post by **Pieter** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:40 pm

Well, why did Vegeta wait until he was healed by Dende before he claimed himself a SSJ. Why not after he defeated Jeice and realized in his mind he was more powerful than Goku at that point.

He claimed himself 'close' to being a super saiyan. I think he doesn't realize yet how powerful he has become. He has no problems following Goku's moves though. Also I think he was more amazed about Goku's power boost because he doesn't know about 100x gravity. And what amazed him most was that Goku was able to shortly increase his power and then decrease it so fast scouters can't pick it up. Besides Goku is actually still stronger than Vegeta, with Kaioken. Maybe Vegeta remembered that technique?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:12 pm

Come to think of it, one more good zenkai and Vegeta likely could've (really) become a Super Saiyan himself.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:26 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:Come to think of it, one more good zenkai and Vegeta likely could've (really) become a Super Saiyan himself.

I agree, I think with one more Zenkai, he could have easily been at the level Goku was during the Final Form Freeza fight.

And come to think of it, I was just wondering, When exactly during the three years between Goku's return and the androids did Vegeta go SSJ. It is never explained. In Legacy of Goku 2, it says he goes SSJ right before the fight, but that really doesn't make much sense. I assumed it was within the first year or two.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:30 pm

omegacwa wrote:And come to think of it, I was just wondering, When exactly during the three years between Goku's return and the androids did Vegeta go SSJ. It is never explained. In Legacy of Goku 2, it says he goes SSJ right before the fight, but that really doesn't make much sense. I assumed it was within the first year or two.

It would seem to be fairly early. He was at least as strong as Goku, if not stronger, when he fought 19. He would need to have been practicing and training with SSj for a while in order for that to be so.

Jamstar · Post by **Jamstar** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:57 pm

In the manga, when and/or how did Vegeta become a SSJ? In the anime it was when he was on another planet I believe.

Also, when Vegeta became a SSJ what was his PL at that point. I belieev Goku's base PL when he became a SSJ was 300,000.

Tyro · Post by **Tyro** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 9:00 pm

Jamstar wrote:In the manga, when and/or how did Vegeta become a SSJ? In the anime it was when he was on another planet I believe.

Also, when Vegeta became a SSJ what was his PL at that point. I belieev Goku's base PL when he became a SSJ was 300,000.

Vegeta went through a "training from Hell." We first see him transform in front of #19. No explanation like the Anime had was given.

We don't know what his power level was. In fact, most members here try to depart from discussions involving power levels.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 9:07 pm

Tyro wrote:Vegeta went through a "training from Hell." We first see him transform in front of #19. No explanation like the Anime had was given.

We don't know what his power level was.

I have a funny theory that in the manga, the conception of a certain half-Saiyan son of Vegeta's is what sparked his SSJ transformation, which of course the "training from Hell" helped bring about.

*looks around at everyone looking at him*

What? Some things can occur differently between the manga and anime. >>;;

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 9:40 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:I have a funny theory that in the manga, the conception of a certain half-Saiyan son of Vegeta's is what sparked his SSJ transformation, which of course the "training from Hell" helped bring about.

*looks around at everyone looking at him*

What? Some things can occur differently between the manga and anime. >>;;

You've got it backwards. Vegeta went SSJ, then banged Bulma in celebration.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 9:56 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Conan the SSJ wrote:I have a funny theory that in the manga, the conception of a certain half-Saiyan son of Vegeta's is what sparked his SSJ transformation, which of course the "training from Hell" helped bring about.

*looks around at everyone looking at him*

What? Some things can occur differently between the manga and anime. >>;;
You've got it backwards. Vegeta went SSJ, then banged Bulma in celebration.

Eloquent or otherwise as it may be, that's actually very likely the case.

Suupaa Gohan 2 · Post by **Suupaa Gohan 2** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:14 pm

(I'm not dead? Amazing!!)

Keh, I've always been under the belief that like so many other things, this was a case of Toriyama-Sensei not having planned too far ahead. He probably thought that Gokou WAS a Super Saiyajin at this point, and thus had Vegeta remark such. I think this was a good deal before he decided 'ZOMG, I'm liek totally going to have him go through this super special awesome golden power-explosion dealie!!' or anything like that. Gokou showed up, and in a similar fashion as to how he dealt with Nappa in the Saiyajin Saga, he had a totally calm (though this time it wasn't so much the 'calm rage' as before) composure and just basically handed the Ginyu Tokusentai's asses to them after all the struggling the others had done to fight them.

The concept of just having him surpass his limitations to the point of not even becoming ENRAGED seeing his son lying there with a broken neck? Maybe before the idea of having a Super Saiyajin's heart be tainted by anger by being a transformation SPARKED by anger hadn't even come to mind at that point, and this calmness was what was meant to exemplify the meaning of 'Super Saiyajin'. I mean, not to sound really stupid for having to word it in this lame way, but he did seem pretty 'super' at the time of his arrival, here. And considering the concept of there being a 'Super Saiyajin' was pretty much first told around here, it made perfect sense that maybe Gokou WAS intended to have reached that level at this point, before the idea of the ACTUAL Super Saiyajin was thought up in depth.

*shrug* That's how I've always figured it at least.

Pieter · Post by **Pieter** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:28 pm

Come to think of it, one more good zenkai and Vegeta likely could've (really) become a Super Saiyan himself.

Not really, he wasn't a Super Saiyan when he was revived on Namek and transfered to Earth. It takes more than just strength.

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:30 pm

You can't get a zenkai if you're dead.

Pieter · Post by **Pieter** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:32 pm

mAcChaos wrote:You can't get a zenkai if you're dead.

What makes you think that? If a saiyan is killed/revived, he won't receive a boost in power?

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Vegeta thinking Goku was a SSJ during Recoome battle

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