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[NeptuneKai]

If I want to call Tenshinhan "Pink Supervisor", it's wrong, it might be annoying, but why should I be prevented from doing so?

Because nobody will know who the HFIL you are referring to.

But they would if you called him Tien, Believe It!!

Had I never heard of the dub I would just assume it was a typo. Personally I think Tien is the least offensive dub name change.

[Rena Rune]

Rena, the fact that it's easily surpassable and that people aren't banned over doing so is why it isn't that big of a deal. It's quirky at worst. It's a forum, these are the rules, noone is forced to post here. Getting this upset would be like having a fit over a redirect on Wikipedia for two words that mean the same thing.

And, hell, if it is easier for someone to type Tenshinhan, DO IT. Nothing stops you from writing any name (and I'm pretty sure "Pink Supervisor" doesn't trigger the filter for Tenshinhan, or anyone for that matter). The only real gripe here would be if it irks you to re-read your post and see some names changed. But then, that's where the tags can be used, if such a thing is really going to crawl up one's skin. Otherwise, you can type what you want. You can, if you choose, bypass the filter. And there are no repercussions for doing so.

It's a big deal since it's obnoxious and this thread shows that the admin staff have 0 respect for the opinions of their members.

The only reason there are no repercussions for doing so is that you'd loose another argument for this nonsense if there were. It's stupid, and it represents what people hate about anime fans.

Nearly all these arguments are saying how it's "not a big deal" or that Tenshinhan is the correct name. Not ONE person has actually justified the existence of the filter, nor come close to it.

People calling Tenshinhan Tien is NOT a big deal, and if some people can circumvent it, it's kind of discriminatin against those who can't(people who may be newer to forums) so it's a further level of elitism.

[disturbed001]

It's a big deal since it's obnoxious and this thread shows that the admin staff have 0 respect for the opinions of their members.

I have to say that I think Mike has shown quite a bit of respect to his members her by trying to comprimise on the "rules" as far as dub names go.

[Herms]

Nearly all these arguments are saying how it's "not a big deal" or that Tenshinhan is the correct name. Not ONE person has actually justified the existence of the filter, nor come close to it.

Well, as I'm pretty sure I posted very early in this thread, the rules to this forum, which everyone agrees to when they post here, says that "However, emphasis will be placed on the original Japanese version, as it is the single "global" version that can be enjoyed by all". The name filter is a form of this.

[Rena Rune]

It's a big deal since it's obnoxious and this thread shows that the admin staff have 0 respect for the opinions of their members.

I have to say that I think Mike has shown quite a bit of respect to his members her by trying to comprimise on the "rules" as far as dub names go.

Sorry, where is the compromise? He completely ignored and spent most of his time replying to people who agreed with him. The only he responded to my points, for the most part, was when I pointed out about Buruma etc. and he said MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD IDEA!. How dumb can you get?

How many other forums pull crap like this? Honestly. Most online forums are pretty stict nowadays but I don't know many that get up to this kind of nonsense.

Well, as I'm pretty sure I posted very early in this thread, the rules to this forum, which everyone agrees to when they post here, says that "However, emphasis will be placed on the original Japanese version, as it is the single "global" version that can be enjoyed by all". The name filter is a form of this.

Putting emphasis on the japanese version does not justify enforcing the japanese name. I may set up a Dragonball forum that emphasises on the manga, but I wouldn't make members have to step through a filter to talk about anime-only events/characters.

[Herms]

Putting emphasis on the japanese version does not justify enforcing the japanese name. I may set up a Dragonball forum that emphasises on the manga, but I wouldn't make members have to step through a filter to talk about anime-only events/characters.

So your arguement for why it's not justified is that it's not what you personally would do? That's not especially convincing.

[SSJ2bardock]

Nearly all these arguments are saying how it's "not a big deal" or that Tenshinhan is the correct name. Not ONE person has actually justified the existence of the filter, nor come close to it.

Well, as I'm pretty sure I posted very early in this thread, the rules to this forum, which everyone agrees to when they post here, says that "However, emphasis will be placed on the original Japanese version, as it is the single "global" version that can be enjoyed by all". The name filter is a form of this.

I'd just like to say that there is a difference between putting emphasis and completely forcing people to do things.

[VegettoEX]

It's a big deal since it's obnoxious and this thread shows that the admin staff have 0 respect for the opinions of their members.

While any claim you may have ever had about "respect" went completely out the window with this thread, I will humor you. In fact, I think the "humoring" only requires that one key point be made:

Your "crusade" (and let's be honest, that's exactly what it is) has lasted a dozen pages. If there was a distinct lack of respect, it could have ended at one, and every claim you had would have been entirely correct.

He completely ignored and spent most of his time replying to people who agreed with him. The only he responded to my points, for the most part, was when I pointed out about Buruma etc. and he said MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD IDEA!.

I don't know if you're "conveniently" ignoring some of the questions I've proposed back to you or any and all responses I've made to you, but I think I've had one very intriguing question that I'm genuinely interested in your feedback on. I think it represents a perfect parallel that totally ignores FUNimation, and I'd love to hear what you have to say about it. I will re-quote it here for your convenience.

Here's a question I have.

Forgive me for not remembering the exact country, but it's part of a European release. I think it was the English-language European release of Budokai 3...?

Anyway, the character's name was spelled as "Li Shenron" in the game (whether or not it's spelled that way in any other materials there, I don't know). Regardless of how close you feel it may be to the original name (being romanized as "ii shinron" or from the Chinese as "yi xing long" being "one-star dragon")... it's flat out wrong (for more information on the "evil dragons" and their name origins, check out our respective "Tidbits" page).

So here we have an example of one specific product that's completely unrelated to FUNimation (except maybe their English voices were included in that game, selectable alongside the Japanese voices), and yet it's a name change along the same lines: it's specific to one region, it's a change, it's wrong, and the vast majority of the world has no idea why that name/spelling would be used.

So would any individuals from that area of the world be opposed to a word filter on this forum that changes "Li Shenron" to either "Ii-Shinron" (or "Yi Xing Long"), and rise up in protest of it?

I don't see how it would be any different than "Tien" or "Hercule"...

Finally, once more:

Why not educate people instead of pushing them for doing nothing wrong?

You keep claiming "Educate people! Educate people!"

Isn't... that... what we're doing? I mean, we have this entire website to act as the education (and a specific section that remains incomplete but hopefully will debut in the near future), and this forum being an extension of that education... blah, blah blah.

I'm sure you're saying the exact same thing about any and all responses I have for you, but I seriously dread responding to anything you ask because you always have an "out" to stand up and protest with... but it all ultimately ends up being exactly what Herms points out:

It's because you don't like something, and you have a problem with it, and you wouldn't do it that way.

[SSJ2bardock]

It's a big deal since it's obnoxious and this thread shows that the admin staff have 0 respect for the opinions of their members.

While any claim you may have ever had about "respect" went completely out the window with this thread

Touche! Well done good sir!

I don't know why, but when I read that portion of your post I couldn't shake the fact that an overly smug image of Freeza was stuck in my head

Sort of like this one...

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

While I very strongly disagree with how this user is going about making their point, I don't think it's necessarily wrong.

Look at "Tien" next to "Ten"(a shortening of "Tenshinhan" used in the series). Unlike Saichourou to Guru, Kaiou-sama to King Kai, Fasha, or your video game example(none of which are edited by the word filter), the similarity is obvious.

I don't mind the word filter personally. But to argue that it has a practical use that outweighs the amount of times you find yourself putting empty brackets mid-word is a somewhat empty argument, in my eyes. If you want to go out and say, "Yeah, it's all about amusement and preference", that works. But I don't think that an argument of practicality can be strongly made here. "Tien", while certainly odd and wrong, isn't far enough from the original name to warrant such an automatic filtration for the purposes of international understanding.

Here's a question I have.

Forgive me for not remembering the exact country, but it's part of a European release. I think it was the English-language European release of Budokai 3...?

Anyway, the character's name was spelled as "Li Shenron" in the game (whether or not it's spelled that way in any other materials there, I don't know). Regardless of how close you feel it may be to the original name (being romanized as "ii shinron" or from the Chinese as "yi xing long" being "one-star dragon")... it's flat out wrong (for more information on the "evil dragons" and their name origins, check out our respective "Tidbits" page).

So here we have an example of one specific product that's completely unrelated to FUNimation (except maybe their English voices were included in that game, selectable alongside the Japanese voices), and yet it's a name change along the same lines: it's specific to one region, it's a change, it's wrong, and the vast majority of the world has no idea why that name/spelling would be used.

So would any individuals from that area of the world be opposed to a word filter on this forum that changes "Li Shenron" to either "Ii-Shinron" (or "Yi Xing Long"), and rise up in protest of it?

I don't see how it would be any different than "Tien" or "Hercule"...

While I certainly would say "Hercule" falls under this idea, "Tien" does not. At worst, it looks like a typo, or a bad romanization attempt. At best, as it is for the majority of Daizenshuu EX posters and visitors, and it is a well-known and commonly-used name change used by the majority of english-speaking terroritories.

The argument is a GREAT one for putting up a word filter for Li Shenron, though.

[Gogeta 00]

"Tenshinhan", while certainly odd and wrong, isn't far enough from the original name to warrant such an automatic filtration for the purposes of international understanding.

I thought Tenshinhan was right lol, you've been filtered.[/quote]

[bkev]

Speakin' of LiShenron, isn't that what the Canadian dub used?

[Gogeta 00]

Speakin' of LiShenron, isn't that what the Canadian dub used?

I cant remember if they use Ii Shenron or Li Shenron

[Captain Awesome]

It's a big deal since it's obnoxious and this thread shows that the admin staff have 0 respect for the opinions of their members.

Funny coming from someone who throws a childish fit and calls everyone "Weeaboos" and elitists, just because you didn't get your way.

This is an issue you and two other people (if that) seem to have, the vast, vast majority of this forum like the way things are run here, and feel the rules here actually help facilitate intelligent exchanges and discussions between members.

I fail to see how things should be changed just to cater to your personal preferences, everyone here has been extremely patient with you, yet you continue to bitch and moan about the way things are run here because you seem to get some sort of self gratification from challenging authority, you're not fighting for freedom of speech, you're acting like a petulant child that didn't get what they wanted for Christmas.

If things really are that bad here then leave, because honestly we could all do without your constant complaints about how oppressed you are.

[Onikage725]

It's a big deal since it's obnoxious and this thread shows that the admin staff have 0 respect for the opinions of their members.

The only reason there are no repercussions for doing so is that you'd loose another argument for this nonsense if there were. It's stupid, and it represents what people hate about anime fans.

Nearly all these arguments are saying how it's "not a big deal" or that Tenshinhan is the correct name. Not ONE person has actually justified the existence of the filter, nor come close to it.

People calling Tenshinhan Tien is NOT a big deal, and if some people can circumvent it, it's kind of discriminatin against those who can't(people who may be newer to forums) so it's a further level of elitism.

I'm sorry. Forgive me. This could be the swollen leg from thhe midnight fall from bed, or perhaps the screaming baby who refuses to let me sleep that has me irritable.

But

What. The Hell. Is the big deal? I mean, as a thread, this was at a point a decent discussion. But nearly twelve pages in and there is just flat out bitching and moaning going down about something so damned trivial!

There's a filter. The forum rules state that emphasis is placed on the original version and that topics are to be on-topic. To help with this, a uniform set of the names is encouraged. But it is also easily bypassed. By easily, I mean... like... two seconds worth of "effort." And there is no penalty for doing so, or stigma against it.

So... forced? Noone is FORCING anyone! Typing Tien doesn't flag you for moderation. This is starting to remind me of people on the IMDB who see a question asked that they saw asked a few days before, choose to open the topic anyway, and then proceed to write essay-length flames about how their time is being wasted by the TC.

We're big boys and girls here, right? Stop acting all butthurt over minute shit. And stop acting like Mike owes you something for the free use of his forum. Its not like we're paying the site fees and submitting complaints to Customer Service here. Suggesting a review of a board rule is one thing, but this constant whining, when in the minority and not getting your way, is flat-out childish.

And you know what? Your opinion has been shown respect. Even as this thread has gotten longer and spun in circles, Mike and others have engaged and discussed.

I, personally would have locked the damn thing.

But then, I'm not an admin. Just another bitchy fan. 'Night.

PS I've never seen anyone (myself included) ask how to get around the filter and be denied the knowledge. There is no "discrimination," and unfounded complaints of such are kind of... wrong.

[Wojak]

Even though I was one of those who critisized the word filter, I have came to change my mind reading the explanations other users have written, and also I have understood how small this "problem" is.
Onikage725 made a good point in his above post.

This forum is a very free forum, compared to others I visit. Here you can joke a bit, and go a bit off topic without getting a warning or a temp ban like in other forums.
Mike hasn't got any kind of elitist or God complex. When you grow up and start to work, you'll understand that. He is kind of our boss here. He is reasonable, and not too eager to "punish" us members.

Overall, the system here is pretty damn good, and a word filter doesn't harm that much.

Mike, a question for you: Couldn't you post the words that get filtered in the rules or somewhere in these forums, so that people don't get shocked of this "horrifying" rule?

[Gogeta 00]

It's a big deal since it's obnoxious and this thread shows that the admin staff have 0 respect for the opinions of their members.

Okay, I am usually very polite and respectful on this forum, but to be blunt, this statement is idiotic and very childish. How exactly does Mike have 0 respect for other peoples opinions? He has not only stated on numerous occasions in many threads that he is interested in hearing others opinions, but he has never shown signs that he has no respect for others opinions. Have you ever heard him say something like "You fucking retard, calling him Tien is gay, I dont give a fuck if you dont like the word filter." If you have please provide evidence, because I would probably proceed to soil myself out of shock. Respectfully disagreeing is not showing 0 respect for your opinion it is emphasizing his own. The reason nothing is being done is because very few people have a problem with the filter. If only one person has a problem with it, then whats the fucking point of changing it. If everyone hated the filter it would be changed, but for some reason you think that your opinion should be the only one that matters and that you should get some sort of royal treatment. The fact that Mike isn't removing the filter clearly shows that he does care about the opinions of his members since the majority doesn't want it changed. If he changed it because of 1 person, then that would disrespect us all. That would be like saying that Mccain should have one the election because even though he had less votes, you voted for him so he should have won. You are the one who displays 0 respect for other people's opinions by thinking that the filter should be removed because you and you alone (like 2 others users not withstanding) have a problem with it. And that is ignorent, selfish, insolent and rude.

You also continue to state that Mikes opinion is being forced down your throat. This doesn't make sense because if Mike was forcing his opinion on you he would not allow you to type Tien and would penalize you for doing so. If you want to type Tien, go right ahead no one is forcing you to write Tenshinhan

Couldn't you post the words that get filtered in the rules or somewhere in these forums, so that people don't get shocked of this "horrifying" rule?

Like I previously suggested, it would probably be a good idea to mention the filter and how to by pass it. This way new users wouldn't be confused about it, would know how to get past it, and wouldn't bitch about it.

[Pitzu]

While I certainly would say "Hercule" falls under this idea, "Tien" does not. At worst, it looks like a typo, or a bad romanization attempt. At best, as it is for the majority of Daizenshuu EX posters and visitors, and it is a well-known and commonly-used name change used by the majority of english-speaking terroritories.

The argument is a GREAT one for putting up a word filter for Li Shenron, though.

I may be in the minority, but I think Hercule fits Mr. Satan's character more than his original name.

Hercule implies that he has a big ego and thinks hes the best at everything, while Mr. Satan is, ya know, just a name.


As for the filter, it isn't something I'd agree with, no matter what word.

For some people, Tenshinhan isn't as pronounceable as Tien Shinhan and Ten is a number, not a name, while Tien sounds like a name.

So what if its something Funimation screwed up
At least its not as horrible as the crap Harmony Gold dub did.

[Onikage725]

What does that have to do with the forum, though?
You don't have to "pronounce" Tenshinhan.
You don't even have to write it.

[Pitzu]

Its about preference.

I prefer to type something short that sounds like a name and not a spelled out number.