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by Pitzu » Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:03 am
Taku128 wrote:Pitzu wrote:Its about preference.
I prefer to type something short that sounds like a name and not a spelled out number.
Hate to break it to you but neither of them sound like a name.
I could say that about MOST names in Dragonball.
I'm just saying that some people would prefer to write Tien instead of Ten or Tenshinhan because it SOUNDS like it COULD be a name.
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by SSJ2bardock » Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:05 am
Pitzu wrote:Taku128 wrote:Pitzu wrote:Its about preference.
I prefer to type something short that sounds like a name and not a spelled out number.
Hate to break it to you but neither of them sound like a name.
I could say that about MOST names in Dragonball.
I'm just saying that some
people would prefer to write Tien instead of Ten or Tenshinhan because it SOUNDS like it COULD be a name.
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by Herms » Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:06 am
Pitzu wrote:and Ten is a number, not a name, while Tien sounds like a name.
I suppose that's true, but his name is "Tenshinhan", not just "Ten", which is just a nickname he's called occasionly, and even then it has the honorific "san" tacked on the end, so it's never just "Ten". And how do you deal with the androids?
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by Super Ghost Kamikaze » Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:35 am
Herms wrote:Pitzu wrote:and Ten is a number, not a name, while Tien sounds like a name.
I suppose that's true, but his name is "Tenshinhan", not just "Ten", which is just a nickname he's called occasionly, and even then it has the honorific "san" tacked on the end, so it's never just "Ten". And how do you deal with the androids?
I'm almost CERTAIN that Chaotzu refers to Tenshinhan as "Ten" without an honorific in an episode of the "King Piccolo Part 1" set. "Son Goku - Anger Explosion!!", as Simmons translates it. During the scene where Tenshinhan is getting the Dragon Ball from a past victim, and the armed forces show up, Chaotzu says "T-Ten!" There *may" be a "-san" on there, but it definitely sounds more like a stutter to me, and Simmons seems to always puts the honorifics in the subs.
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by Pitzu » Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:39 am
Herms wrote:Pitzu wrote:and Ten is a number, not a name, while Tien sounds like a name.
I suppose that's true, but his name is "Tenshinhan", not just "Ten", which is just a nickname he's called occasionly, and even then it has the honorific "san" tacked on the end, so it's never just "Ten". And how do you deal with the androids?
Easy.
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by SSJ2bardock » Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:59 am
Pitzu wrote:Herms wrote:Pitzu wrote:and Ten is a number, not a name, while Tien sounds like a name.
I suppose that's true, but his name is "Tenshinhan", not just "Ten", which is just a nickname he's called occasionly, and even then it has the honorific "san" tacked on the end, so it's never just "Ten". And how do you deal with the androids?
Easy.
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I think he was referring to the fact that they are called Jinzoningen and Android is an inaccurate description. (sorry if that was wrong)
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by Herms » Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:07 am
SSJ2bardock wrote:I think he was referring to the fact that they are called Jinzoningen and Android is an inaccurate description. (sorry if that was wrong)
I was actually just wondering how he dealt with them if he had such a problem with names sounding like numbers.
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by SSJ2bardock » Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:10 am
Herms wrote:SSJ2bardock wrote:I think he was referring to the fact that they are called Jinzoningen and Android is an inaccurate description. (sorry if that was wrong)
I was actually just wondering how he dealt with them if he had such a problem with names sounding like numbers.
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by Adamant » Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:41 am
Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:
I'm almost CERTAIN that Chaotzu refers to Tenshinhan as "Ten" without an honorific in an episode of the "King Piccolo Part 1" set. "Son Goku - Anger Explosion!!", as Simmons translates it. During the scene where Tenshinhan is getting the Dragon Ball from a past victim, and the armed forces show up, Chaotzu says "T-Ten!" There *may" be a "-san" on there, but it definitely sounds more like a stutter to me, and Simmons seems to always puts the honorifics in the subs.
"Ten" is indeed used a good couple times through the series.
(speaking of which... has Goku
ever been called "Son-san"? Everyone who refers to him by his family name use no suffix, apart from Bulma, who uses kun.)
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by Herms » Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:43 am
Hmmm...I wonder if honorific-less "Ten" is an anime-only thing, since I don't remember it ever being used in the manga. I hope my memory's not get that bad...
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by The Tori-bot » Sat Dec 20, 2008 11:17 am
Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:Herms wrote:Pitzu wrote:and Ten is a number, not a name, while Tien sounds like a name.
I suppose that's true, but his name is "Tenshinhan", not just "Ten", which is just a nickname he's called occasionly, and even then it has the honorific "san" tacked on the end, so it's never just "Ten". And how do you deal with the androids?
I'm almost CERTAIN that Chaotzu refers to Tenshinhan as "Ten" without an honorific in an episode of the "King Piccolo Part 1" set. "Son Goku - Anger Explosion!!", as Simmons translates it. During the scene where Tenshinhan is getting the Dragon Ball from a past victim, and the armed forces show up, Chaotzu says "T-Ten!" There *may" be a "-san" on there, but it definitely sounds more like a stutter to me,
and Simmons seems to always puts the honorifics in the subs.
Remeber that Clyde Mandelin did the DB sets, not Daimao.
Checking the episode now to see if there is or is not a -
san there...
EDIT: Yup, Chaozu does indeed say simply "Ten" (stuttered, as you said) in the episode, and it's translated appropriately as "T-Ten..."
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by Super Ghost Kamikaze » Sat Dec 20, 2008 11:25 am
The Tori-bot wrote:Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:Herms wrote:
I suppose that's true, but his name is "Tenshinhan", not just "Ten", which is just a nickname he's called occasionly, and even then it has the honorific "san" tacked on the end, so it's never just "Ten". And how do you deal with the androids?
I'm almost CERTAIN that Chaotzu refers to Tenshinhan as "Ten" without an honorific in an episode of the "King Piccolo Part 1" set. "Son Goku - Anger Explosion!!", as Simmons translates it. During the scene where Tenshinhan is getting the Dragon Ball from a past victim, and the armed forces show up, Chaotzu says "T-Ten!" There *may" be a "-san" on there, but it definitely sounds more like a stutter to me,
and Simmons seems to always puts the honorifics in the subs.
Remeber that Clyde Mandelin did the DB sets, not Daimao.
Checking the episode now to see if there is or is not a -
san there...
I've less "remembered" that and more "learned it just now", but okay.
(though the name "Mandelin" sounds familiar in regards to Dragon Ball now that I think about it)
Well then, Mandelin also seems to put suffixes in the subs.
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by MajinVejitaXV » Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:21 pm
Pitzu wrote:Easy.
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Yeah, but they don't run around calling eachother "Artificial Human/Android/Cyborg" Seventeen/Eighteen/Etc.
And Kuririn sure as hell doesn't call his wife "Android #18" ;p
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by NeptuneKai » Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:29 pm
Pitzu wrote:Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:
While I certainly would say "Hercule" falls under this idea, "Tien" does not. At worst, it looks like a typo, or a bad romanization attempt. At best, as it is for the majority of Daizenshuu EX posters and visitors, and it is a well-known and commonly-used name change used by the majority of english-speaking terroritories.
The argument is a GREAT one for putting up a word filter for Li Shenron, though.

I may be in the minority, but I think Hercule fits Mr. Satan's character more than his original name.
Hercule implies that he has a big ego and thinks hes the best at everything, while Mr. Satan is, ya know, just a name.
As for the filter, it isn't something I'd agree with, no matter what word.
For some people, Tenshinhan isn't as pronounceable as Tien Shinhan and Ten is a number, not a name, while Tien sounds like a name.
So what if its something Funimation screwed up
At least its not as horrible as the crap Harmony Gold dub did.
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(I'm sorry your post just reminded me of that really bad dub line.)
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by Onikage725 » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:43 pm
Pitzu wrote:Its about preference.
I prefer to type something short that sounds like a name and not a spelled out number.
Then... do so. It's REALLY not that serious.
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by Pitzu » Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:52 pm
MajinVejitaXV wrote:Pitzu wrote:Easy.
Android #
Yeah, but they don't run around calling eachother "Artificial Human/Android/Cyborg" Seventeen/Eighteen/Etc.
And Kuririn sure as hell doesn't call his wife "Android #18" ;p
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Well, I call them 17/18/etc as well, because, ya know
Thats their name.
Their name IS a number.
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by MajinVejitaXV » Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:35 pm
Pitzu wrote:Well, I call them 17/18/etc as well, because, ya know
Thats their name.
Their name IS a number.
Very well, but 'Ten' also means 'Heaven' in Japanese.
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by SSJ2bardock » Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:42 pm
MajinVejitaXV wrote:Pitzu wrote:Well, I call them 17/18/etc as well, because, ya know
Thats their name.
Their name IS a number.
Very well, but 'Ten' also means 'Heaven' in Japanese.
Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.
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by Daimao » Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:22 am
Adamant wrote:(speaking of which... has Goku ever been called "Son-san"? Everyone who refers to him by his family name use no suffix, apart from Bulma, who uses kun.)
I believe once, by Trunks, when they first meet. Ever after, it was "Goku-san" though.
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