Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

[CaBrPi]

I remember Goku was nude for a small moment, but that was it. I don't remember it didn't had as much compare to the original Dragon Ball show did?

Goku got naked in the opening. Plus a good chunk of one of the Zoonama episodes.

[DBZAOTA482]

I remember Goku was nude for a small moment, but that was it. I don't remember it didn't had as much compare to the original Dragon Ball show did?

Goku got naked in the opening. Plus a good chunk of one of the Zoonama episodes.

GT Writer: Hurr look he nude ain't we funneh durr?!

[Majin Steve]

But Akira Toriyama used Goku being naked for humour, in Dragon Ball. He actually used shit on a stick to get laughs. So I don't see where you're going by slating the GT people. That's illogical.

[Saiga]

But Akira Toriyama used Goku being naked for humour, in Dragon Ball. He actually used shit on a stick to get laughs. So I don't see where you're going by slating the GT people. That's illogical.

It's not illogical at all. Toriyama actually used it in humours situations, like Goku getting his pants burned off or Yamcha being stunned by it. GT just throws it in and expects it to be funny, trying and failing to repeat what Toriyama did.

Besides, DBZAOTA didn't say it was funny when Toriyama did it anyway.

[Hellspawn28]

I remember Goku was nude for a small moment, but that was it. I don't remember it didn't had as much compare to the original Dragon Ball show did?

Goku got naked in the opening. Plus a good chunk of one of the Zoonama episodes.

I forgot about that. I guess GT could be PG-13 rated uncut, but nothing in DB is close to being R rated if you ask me.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

I dunno. Dragon Ball is not that bad to warrant a PG-13. I do admit the fight between Goku and Freeza does seem a little too violent.

[Saiga]

It has some pretty graphics moments, which I think might be toned down for the manga, like Gero killing that one guy with his bare hands and the like.

[Hellspawn28]

I dunno. Dragon Ball is not that bad to warrant a PG-13. I do admit the fight between Goku and Freeza does seem a little too violent.

I don't think it's that different then what you would see in most PG-13 films. I don't like it when some fans try to find ways to make DBZ sound hardcore and acting like it's not a kids show. There is nothing wrong with someone that is a adult liking a show for kids.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

I dunno. Dragon Ball is not that bad to warrant a PG-13. I do admit the fight between Goku and Freeza does seem a little too violent.

I don't think it's that different then what you would see in most PG-13 films. I don't like it when some fans try to find ways to make DBZ sound hardcore and acting like it's not a kids show. There is nothing wrong with someone that is a adult liking a show for kids.

I don't mean it that way. I'm saying I don't think Dragon Ball is a PG-13 show. Like you said, it was aimed at children. I do think it was a fun series, but some moments can make me cringe a little.

[Rocketman]

I can respect differences of opinion, but don't you sit there and baldfaced lie to me.

So you're saying that adult Goku and kid Gohan sound completely identical?

No, I'm saying they're not "entirely different".


They're both shitty, for one.

[Zephyr]

I can respect differences of opinion, but don't you sit there and baldfaced lie to me.

So you're saying that adult Goku and kid Gohan sound completely identical?

No, I'm saying they're not "entirely different".


They're both shitty, for one.

Fair enough, twas a poor choice of words. But they're still distinguishable enough that it isn't an overabundance of the exact same annoying voice.

And if the kid Gohan voice is also annoying the generic Youtube dubbie, then maybe they should also bring that up, instead of exclusively bringing up the adult Goku voice as their sole, grandiose justification for not giving the pure version of the series a proper chance.

But now that I think about it, I do understand that some of the main voice work can hinder one's enjoyment of something. I know that despite whatever artistic merit fans of it incessantly proclaim it possesses, I can't for the life of me begin to tolerate or appreciate death metal (despite heavy metal in general being my favorite musical genre to listen to), due to the irritating and grating vocals. I can enjoy it up until the point I hear said vocals, and I can longer maintain any level of enjoyment.

Perhaps they should just get high before watching the first 10 or so episodes of Z. That's precisely how I began my transition.

[CaBrPi]

Well, I think it's more the fact that that voice is coming out of a grown man. I mean, I understand the reasoning behind it. And you can explain it over and over and over again to any average YouTube sub-hater you can find, and they'll still probably hate it.

I mean, I myself understand that there's a very solid performance there. The problem for me is, I can't understand it. I've heard it explained over and over again, that there's just this sort of magical charm to Ms. Nozawa's performance, and I do not mean to criticize her, but I will say that I cannot enjoy her performance as these characters because I understand neither the language itself, nor the semantics thereof.

In theory, yes, I understand the differences between Ms. Nozawa's performances as Goku and, say, Gohan. But in practice... it just doesn't come across for me.

[Zephyr]

In theory, yes, I understand the differences between Ms. Nozawa's performances as Goku and, say, Gohan. But in practice... it just doesn't come across for me.

As adults, her voices for the two sound pretty much the same to me too. But one of her adult voices compared to one of her kid voices....they sound distinct enough to me for it to not be jarring, at least not from memory (haven't watched the anime in a couple months). If I remember correctly, the kid voices always seem to be much more high-pitched than the adult voices.

That said, I don't really enjoy her performances, but I don't really hold any sort of special dislike for them either. It's sort of neutral. I mean, I can understand immediately why someone might find her voice to be annoying, but it's almost never a problem for me to enjoy the series. At the same time, I don't really see her voice as anything particularly special (likely for the same reasons as you: I just don't understand the language or the semantics), but that doesn't prevent me from appreciating the rest of the series.

[Ringworm128]

I hate the "Goku is a grown man who is a warrior, he shouldn't have a voice like that even if he is child like" argument sub bashers use. Mike Tyson was once considered one of the fiercest boxers in the world and he had a high pitch voice.

[DBZAOTA482]

But Akira Toriyama used Goku being naked for humour, in Dragon Ball. He actually used shit on a stick to get laughs. So I don't see where you're going by slating the GT people. That's illogical.

Nudity alone doesn't make it funny, it's the context and character reactions. It worked in the original Dragon Ball because of Goku's innocence but by Z, he gained some common sense so watching it in GT is pretty bleh... oh and it turns up Pan's bitch level along with Giru's annoyance level.

[andrewtuell1991]

* I too am sick of hearing, "DBZ IZ HARDCORE ACSHEN MENT FOR TEENZ AND ADULTZ". Puh-lease. It might have been hot stuff once, but it's absolutely tame compared to anime today. And how can one say Dragon Ball isn't a kid's show? Big muscle men punch the shit of each other, big explosions, people bleed and die; ye~ah that's some mature stuff right there. Though it's Dragon Ball's shallowness that's kept me a fan for all these years as I too am a shallow person.

* After watching a marathon of the Westwood dub in preparation for the Ocean dub of Kai, I can soundly say that I NEVER want to hear the Megaman soundtrack again. What the hell was AB Groupe or whoever thinking with that one? It'd be like trying to use the music from Super Friends for Justice League. It wouldn't have been so bad if they didn't keep playing the same 5-6 track over and over and OVER again. Come to think of it, I never want to hear the Westwood dub of Z again period. With the exception of Brad Swaile's Gohan and a few other, the voices are just awful. Hard to believe such dreadful acting came out of such talented people.

[matt0044]

I hate the "Goku is a grown man who is a warrior, he shouldn't have a voice like that even if he is child like" argument sub bashers use. Mike Tyson was once considered one of the fiercest boxers in the world and he had a high pitch voice.

I don't Nozawa's adult Goku but I wonder if Toei considered getting Goku a different VA for as an adult before deciding to keep Nozawa. I guess it's a mentality that viewers have where they see a a strong guy and expect a "manly" voice but what they get isn't what they expect. Even if they hadn't seen the FUNi dub first, some viewers (older mostly) just getting into Dragon Ball would scratch their heads at how Goku have a high-pitched voice as an adult.

I'm just saying that it's a natural reaction.

[Majin Steve]

Well, I think it's more the fact that that voice is coming out of a grown man. I mean, I understand the reasoning behind it. And you can explain it over and over and over again to any average YouTube sub-hater you can find, and they'll still probably hate it.

I mean, I myself understand that there's a very solid performance there. The problem for me is, I can't understand it. I've heard it explained over and over again, that there's just this sort of magical charm to Ms. Nozawa's performance, and I do not mean to criticize her, but I will say that I cannot enjoy her performance as these characters because I understand neither the language itself, nor the semantics thereof.

In theory, yes, I understand the differences between Ms. Nozawa's performances as Goku and, say, Gohan. But in practice... it just doesn't come across for me.

This is one of the sanest and most honest things I've read from a Dragon Ball fan.

In agreement. It just ain't your language or your culture to begin with. You don't have that natural sense for it. And even for foreigners that natural sense will take years and years of studying to achieve, if it even comes.

If it were acting? Maybe that'd be different, you would have something visual, mannerisms, ticks to watch for, to see how they perform to the screen, but as it's animation you are left listening to a mere voice you literally do not understand.

EDIT: And I say all this as a huge language buff.

[OutlawTorn]

I hate the "Goku is a grown man who is a warrior, he shouldn't have a voice like that even if he is child like" argument sub bashers use. Mike Tyson was once considered one of the fiercest boxers in the world and he had a high pitch voice.

People always use either Mike Tyson or Michael Jackson to justify Japanese Goku's voice (though I don't believe Tyson's or Jackson's children have the same voice), it's about as annoying a rebuttal as the argument of the bashers. In a similar vein, you get people complaining about the rasp Stephanie Nadolny uses for Gohan and claim no kid sounds like that, when you can find kids with raspy voices if you look hard enough.

I doubt any man, higher pitched voice or not, shrieks like Nozawa, though. That's my biggest beef with the voice and could do without hearing ever again. That and that "kkk" choking sound when trying to convey intense emotion.

However, being that I am not Japanese nor do I understand the language, I cannot say whether that is a reflection upon the acting skills, it's just the equivalent of nails scratching on a chalkboard to my ears, similar to the "Tasmanian Devil-Vegeta" powering up yell (during the Androids to Cell sagas) from the broadcast version FUNimation's DBZ dub. The non-screaming, normal speaking voices in themselves don't really bother me.

[DBZ Mick]

I don't like dub spellings of certain characters anymore...

Freeza to Frieza (why?) are they trying to 'One Up' the Japanese version or something?