Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Dbzfan94]

Not nearly to the same degree, no.

I don't see much of a difference between the two. I mean, it's there, but, the difference is so slight...

Be honest: Are you sure the issue isn't just that an unlikable character is doing something awful to a likeable character?

Yup. I’m sure that’s not the issue. I guess we just see it differently then. So I’d rather not go back and forth any further.

[Fionordequester]

Yup. I’m sure that’s not the issue. I guess we just see it differently then. So I’d rather not go back and forth any further.

Fair enough.

[jjgp1112]

The other thing with this: Salagir has significantly diminished the shock value that Vegetto flash forward provided. Bra's already killed half the heroes including one of the Gohans

[Dbzfan94]

The other thing with this: Salagir has significantly diminished the shock value that Vegetto flash forward provided. Bra's already killed half the heroes including one of the Gohans

Both Piccolos are dead now yet they're alive in the vision. And Bra seems completely fine. So the vision may not necessarily be the case anymore.

[Fionordequester]

And there we go. Bra the empty-handed sadist, went for Piccolo when she should've went for the bean. There was, indeed, a point to the violence last page.

Now will it make it to Cell? We'll see.

[TobyS]

Why is he so many miles away from Cell, he's blatantly gonna be intercepted this is so annoying.

[ZeroNeonix]

I will so, Cell fighting with the good guys against a common enemy is a cool idea. And it's not out of character for him, either.

[RandomGuy96]

Why didn't he just teleport into Cell's mouth?

[Fionordequester]

Why didn't he just teleport into Cell's mouth?

Because then he'd get eaten. Cell's not exactly a great dad...

[jjgp1112]

The other thing with this: Salagir has significantly diminished the shock value that Vegetto flash forward provided. Bra's already killed half the heroes including one of the Gohans

Both Piccolos are dead now yet they're alive in the vision. And Bra seems completely fine. So the vision may not necessarily be the case anymore.

I figure they end up getting wished back. But at that point, it's like "Seen it."

[Dbzfan94]

The other thing with this: Salagir has significantly diminished the shock value that Vegetto flash forward provided. Bra's already killed half the heroes including one of the Gohans

Both Piccolos are dead now yet they're alive in the vision. And Bra seems completely fine. So the vision may not necessarily be the case anymore.

I figure they end up getting wished back. But at that point, it's like "Seen it."

That’s a possibility but with everything that’s going on right now the vision just seems too “neat.” Idk

[Brikikoz]

Not nearly to the same degree, no.

I don't see much of a difference between the two. I mean, it's there, but, the difference is so slight...

Be honest: Are you sure the issue isn't just that an unlikable character is doing something awful to a likeable character?

That definitely is the issue, because there's plenty of blood to the same degree when Toriyama did it.

Coloring makes it clearer:

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I don't even like Bra as a character, but then I'm not supposed to, she's villainous; but guys tend to have issues with overpowered female villains. I wonder if this thread were in 1998, we'd be having the exact same "THAT IS A GARBAGE ASSPULL" when Cell kept on magically pulling powers out of nowhere to keep killing.

In the final Cell battle: Cell suddenly produces offspring? Cell suddenly goes Ultra SSJ? Cell turns into a time bomb? Cell regenerates from his nucleus? The nucleus that Goku destroyed already, way to write your Gary Stu, Toriyama. Cell regenerates to perfect form after blowing up? Cell can teleport too?

DBM is actually very consistent with Toriyama's-making-it-up-to-extend-the-tension style of villain writing.

[Brikikoz]

Well that Piccolo is dead, there's no regeneration from that. His whole body was turned to mush.

I'm liking the Bra stuff, granted i still dont see what the point of this whole debacle on Babidi's part, he ultimately achieved nothing, well its looking that way at the moment.

Other Piccolo isn't 100% dead. His eyes have the blank-death look, but his head is intact. Given the rules of Namekian regeneration, he should be able to regenerate--Toriyama had Piccolo live after his entire body was shattered back in the Buu saga.

[It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips]

I don't even like Bra as a character, but then I'm not supposed to, she's villainous; but guys tend to have issues with overpowered female villains. I wonder if this thread were in 1998, we'd be having the exact same "THAT IS A GARBAGE ASSPULL" when Cell kept on magically pulling powers out of nowhere to keep killing.

You guys are really reaching here.

Bra isn't getting hate because she's a woman. She's getting hate because she's derailed the story in a direction many readers didn't want. And now she's effectively removing characters people were invested in while also (perhaps only seemingly) retconning a plot point people liked. Let's look at that Cell comparison. Cell was given a ridiculous string of super powers in the closing parts of the arc so that Toriyama could end the story with a bang. Bra's super powers (so far. Maybe that'll change) aren't setting anything up. There's no big pay off at the end of this that the audience can see. Naturally they're going to call bullshit.

[Brikikoz]

For everyone's reference, a little math for perspective:

The Perfect Cell Saga took about a year from chapter 382 to 420. This is JUST Perfect Cell, not androids.

That's 38 chapters, averaging 15 pages each.

570 pages fighting Perfect Cell.

The Majin Bra saga, from the moment she entered the fight, started at page 1600. Not including the specials, that's 1600-1628, 1676 - 1696, and 1723-1726. This has been just under a year.

That's 51 pages fighting Majin Bra.

Even if we include the specials, that's 126 pages of this saga.

So this story is actually moving FASTER than the original manga.

The main difference is that Toriyama did it 24/7 as his full time job and did 15 pages a week, vs DBM that does 3 pages a week.

If Toriyama did the same pace, it would be 5 times as slow. So reading Perfect Cell would take 5 years instead of 1 year.

[Kanassa]

For everyone's reference, a little math for perspective:

The Perfect Cell Saga took about a year from chapter 382 to 420. This is JUST Perfect Cell, not androids.

That's 38 chapters, averaging 15 pages each.

570 pages fighting Perfect Cell.

The Majin Bra saga, from the moment she entered the fight, started at page 1600. Not including the specials, that's 1600-1628, 1676 - 1696, and 1723-1726. This has been just under a year.

That's 51 pages fighting Majin Bra.

Even if we include the specials, that's 126 pages of this saga.

So this story is actually moving FASTER than the original manga.

The main difference is that Toriyama did it 24/7 as his full time job and did 15 pages a week, vs DBM that does 3 pages a week.

If Toriyama did the same pace, it would be 5 times as slow. So reading Perfect Cell would take 5 years instead of 1 year.

The main difference is that Toriyama made those pages mostly engaging (well, in the Cell Games, the lead up to the Cell Games... Not so much) that mostly fit with the pacing. You keep trying to boil it down to a set of numbers when numbers isn't the issue, a slow story is fine if you make the scenes fit that pacing. it also helps that Cell was at least fun to watch, while Bra and her fight is just annoying. For the record, I very much dislike the Cell Saga, I think it's one of the worst arcs in Dragon Ball, still managed to make the more sloggy parts exciting and entertaining enough.

[Noah]

I'm sure there are worst examples in canon, but this is still icky.

No, there are no worse examples than this one regarding main characters in canon.

Sorry, but is just ridiculous. Toriyama would never do that with a main character. Yes, he could drawn Krillin arms, legs, organs falling up the sky when Freeza blowed him up, but he did? No, because that's just unecessary gruesome.

Having Bra obliterating Piccolo to smithereens works just fine, this screams to me like:

"lOoK hOw EdGy MuLtIvErSe Is, yOu NeVeR gEt ThOsE iN sUpEr"

[Brikikoz]

For everyone's reference, a little math for perspective:

The Perfect Cell Saga took about a year from chapter 382 to 420. This is JUST Perfect Cell, not androids.

That's 38 chapters, averaging 15 pages each.

570 pages fighting Perfect Cell.

The Majin Bra saga, from the moment she entered the fight, started at page 1600. Not including the specials, that's 1600-1628, 1676 - 1696, and 1723-1726. This has been just under a year.

That's 51 pages fighting Majin Bra.

Even if we include the specials, that's 126 pages of this saga.

So this story is actually moving FASTER than the original manga.

The main difference is that Toriyama did it 24/7 as his full time job and did 15 pages a week, vs DBM that does 3 pages a week.

If Toriyama did the same pace, it would be 5 times as slow. So reading Perfect Cell would take 5 years instead of 1 year.

The main difference is that Toriyama made those pages mostly engaging (well, in the Cell Games, the lead up to the Cell Games... Not so much) that mostly fit with the pacing. You keep trying to boil it down to a set of numbers when numbers isn't the issue, a slow story is fine if you make the scenes fit that pacing. it also helps that Cell was at least fun to watch, while Bra and her fight is just annoying. For the record, I very much dislike the Cell Saga, I think it's one of the worst arcs in Dragon Ball, still managed to make the more sloggy parts exciting and entertaining enough.

The original actually used a LOT of filler, often of people flying with a serious face. People just didn't notice because there were 15 pages to go through so a single filler page/panel was easy to pass over and forget.

[Kanassa]

For everyone's reference, a little math for perspective:

The Perfect Cell Saga took about a year from chapter 382 to 420. This is JUST Perfect Cell, not androids.

That's 38 chapters, averaging 15 pages each.

570 pages fighting Perfect Cell.

The Majin Bra saga, from the moment she entered the fight, started at page 1600. Not including the specials, that's 1600-1628, 1676 - 1696, and 1723-1726. This has been just under a year.

That's 51 pages fighting Majin Bra.

Even if we include the specials, that's 126 pages of this saga.

So this story is actually moving FASTER than the original manga.

The main difference is that Toriyama did it 24/7 as his full time job and did 15 pages a week, vs DBM that does 3 pages a week.

If Toriyama did the same pace, it would be 5 times as slow. So reading Perfect Cell would take 5 years instead of 1 year.

The main difference is that Toriyama made those pages mostly engaging (well, in the Cell Games, the lead up to the Cell Games... Not so much) that mostly fit with the pacing. You keep trying to boil it down to a set of numbers when numbers isn't the issue, a slow story is fine if you make the scenes fit that pacing. it also helps that Cell was at least fun to watch, while Bra and her fight is just annoying. For the record, I very much dislike the Cell Saga, I think it's one of the worst arcs in Dragon Ball, still managed to make the more sloggy parts exciting and entertaining enough.

The original actually used a LOT of filler, often of people flying with a serious face. People just didn't notice because there were 15 pages to go through so a single filler page/panel was easy to pass over and forget.

Or because it looked good, flowed well and it was small things in a fun fight? In Multiverse's case it's a fight against an annoying character who isn't fun to watch with repetitive action and rather than feeling like anything is progressing, it just feels like everything's softly resetting every time it looks like something's going to happen.

[Brikikoz]

Or because it looked good, flowed well and it was small things in a fun fight? In Multiverse's case it's a fight against an annoying character who isn't fun to watch with repetitive action and rather than feeling like anything is progressing, it just feels like everything's softly resetting every time it looks like something's going to happen.

Fun is a very subjective quality and really can't be comparable between people.