"Gotenks surpassing Vegeta and the others".

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Goku wasn't sure if he would be able to beat Oob, and I don't buy that Goku managed to surpass his SS3 from 5 years ago in his base, when he couldn't surpass Freeza after 14 years + 1 year in RoSaT.

Kakarotto says the same thing in the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai about Mr. Boo who is a lot weaker than Fat Boo and Pure Boo. You really think that Kakarotto could lose against Mr. Buu in his SSJ3 form? He's clearly talking that he maybe could lose against them in his base state.

Goku says that Boo may lose to Oob, not that he may lose to Boo.

[Kamiccolo9]

Goku wasn't sure if he would be able to beat Oob, and I don't buy that Goku managed to surpass his SS3 from 5 years ago in his base, when he couldn't surpass Freeza after 14 years + 1 year in RoSaT.

Kakarotto says the same thing in the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai about Mr. Boo who is a lot weaker than Fat Boo and Pure Boo. You really think that Kakarotto could lose against Mr. Buu in his SSJ3 form? He's clearly talking that he maybe could lose against them in his base state.

Goku says that Boo may lose to Oob, not that he may lose to Boo.

Well, Goku does tell Mr. Satan that someone other than they or Buu could end up facing him in the finals. That would seem to imply that Buu has a chance.

Chapter: 518 (DBZ 324), P6.5
Goku: “…But someone besides us and Boo might win.”
Satan: “Hahhahhah, now really! There’s no way that could happen, right?”

[hleV]

Well, who did Goku refer to with "us"? Just Goku and Vegeta? I think he was referring to every strong person that was participating.

[Hugo Boss]

There isn't any definitive proof that puts SS3 Goku & Enraged SS2 Vegeta above U. Gohan & SS Gotenks in BoG.

It is not exactly a proof but..

“The Menacing Power of the God of Destruction” details more about Birusu. A relationship chart is included that shows Birusu and Uisu not connected to any of the other gods but each other. “Uisu” is listed with the title of “attendant”, exactly the same as Mr. Popo is to Earth’s God and Kibito to Kaiōshin. What sort of connection Birusu has with the Kaiō and Kaiōshin is enveloped in mystery, but it appears he is a being who can strike fear in even the Kaiōshin, beings themselves who possess abilities beyond human comprehension. The overwhelming power of Birusu, God of Destruction, is said to outdo even that of Goku, who has surpassed Super Saiyan. The God of Destruction’s power is in another dimension altogether.

Chōzenshū 1 still treats Goku like a big deal when comparing him to Beerus. It's strange that it doesn't make comparisons with characters that are supposedly far stronger than Goku.

[Saiga]

It's strange anyway, because it sounds like it's hyping up Goku for having Super Saiyan 2 (which is what surpassing Super Saiyan is) which is just hilariously not impressive anymore. "Beers is stronger than a Super Saiyan 2! We needed to tell you this, because he didn't directly fight one, and you wouldn't know from him beating up Super Saiyan 3 Goku, Ultimate Gohan, and Boo!"

[Herms]

It's strange anyway, because it sounds like it's hyping up Goku for having Super Saiyan 2 (which is what surpassing Super Saiyan is)

Pretty sure that's just their (pointlessly roundabout) way of referring to Super Saiyan 3. Really, they're saying "Super Saiyans are, like, super-strong, and Goku's even stronger than that, and Beers is way stronger than that!"

[DBZGTKOSDH]

There isn't any definitive proof that puts SS3 Goku & Enraged SS2 Vegeta above U. Gohan & SS Gotenks in BoG.

It is not exactly a proof but..

“The Menacing Power of the God of Destruction” details more about Birusu. A relationship chart is included that shows Birusu and Uisu not connected to any of the other gods but each other. “Uisu” is listed with the title of “attendant”, exactly the same as Mr. Popo is to Earth’s God and Kibito to Kaiōshin. What sort of connection Birusu has with the Kaiō and Kaiōshin is enveloped in mystery, but it appears he is a being who can strike fear in even the Kaiōshin, beings themselves who possess abilities beyond human comprehension. b][The overwhelming power of Birusu, God of Destruction, is said to outdo even that of Goku, who has surpassed Super Saiyan. The God of Destruction’s power is in another dimension altogether.[/b]

Chōzenshū 1 still treats Goku like a big deal when comparing him to Beerus. It's strange that it doesn't make comparisons with characters that are supposedly far stronger than Goku.

Well, Gohan & Gotenks were stronger than Goku because they were going to replace Goku as the protagonists of the series, but eventually Goku took back the place. Now, they just create hype with the main character, along with everyone else, not been able to beat this new villain that is more powerful than Majin Boo. Besides, Gohan's BoG bio says that Gohan has power surpassing that of a pure Saiyan, implying that he is stronger than Goku & Vegeta.

[KentalSSJ6]

I dont understand why this is still being debated.

Pre-BOG Gotenks was surpassed only by Gohan and Vegito.

Post-BOG hes only surpassed by Goku, Vegito, and Gohan.

[MDSTSSJ]

In a tournament setting? Yes, I think he could lose. Goku can only last 5 or so minutes in SSJ3, so he's definitely not going to outlast Buu, regardless of his strength superiority. He's not going to annihilate Buu, since killing in a tournament is bad and all, and punching Buu doesn't accomplish anything. Short of just killing him, Goku can't really do anything to Buu, and he'll eventually tire himself out.

Ignoring that, Kakarotto is well known to learn the skills to perfection of other enemies to avoid falling into the same mistake again and that's why EoZ SSJ3 Kakarotto could one shot Mr. Boo. First, there is no comparison between their powers like you pretty much said and second, Kakarotto knows Mr. Boo regeneration and other things. One powerful Kamehameha from SSJ3 Kakarotto, would kill Mr. Boo instantly!

Never in this life or another, Kakarotto would transform in to SSJ3 in a Tenkaichi Budokai and that's the main factor that he would lose against Mr. Boo and Oob. And again that's why I'm pretty sure that Kakarotto says that " someone besides us ( Z warriors ) and Mr. Boo might win " referring to his base form.

Yes, Mr. Boo beat base Kakarotto. Yes, enraged Oob beat base Kakarotto. There is no doubt about that!!!

[Draken]

Why would Buu let Goku sit there and charge up and full power Kamehameha and then allow Goku to hit him with it?

[Saiga]

If Goku kills Boo at the tournament, then he loses. That's the rules.

[Kamiccolo9]

If Goku kills Boo at the tournament, then he loses. That's the rules.

That's what I was saying above. Goku can't kill Buu, he can't sustain SSJ3 long enough to knock him out, and any damage he does to Buu short of killing him is instantly regenerated. Short of a ring-out, I'm not seeing how Buu is beatable in a tournament setting.

[MDSTSSJ]

Why would Buu let Goku sit there and charge up and full power Kamehameha and then allow Goku to hit him with it?

We are talking about Kakarotto, one of the most skilled figthers in the entire Universe. You remember the Super Kamehameha that blow half of the Perfect Cell body? He cheated Perfect Cell easy, a being much smarter than Mr. Boo. Mr. Boo is a dumb figther with incredible skills! If you are a dumb and you are not on guard, you can die!

[Saiga]

Actually now that I think about it, it'd be hilariously easy for Goku to get a ring out. Gohan et al were on the ground, so he can teleport to them. Easy - grab opponent, make sure you're higher up than them, teleport to Gohan or any of the others. Opponent is then touching the ground and Goku isn't.

[Draken]

Actually now that I think about it, it'd be hilariously easy for Goku to get a ring out. Gohan et al were on the ground, so he can teleport to them. Easy - grab opponent, make sure you're higher up than them, teleport to Gohan or any of the others. Opponent is then touching the ground and Goku isn't.

The problem is blitzing them. If even Perfect Cell could react to Goku's IT there's no way in hell Gohan couldn't.

And Goku wouldn't kill Buu so I'm not sure where you're trying to go, we're talking about Goku vs Buu in the TB.

[MDSTSSJ]

If Goku kills Boo at the tournament, then he loses. That's the rules.

Yes, that's the rules. I was talking about hypothetical way!

That's what I was saying above. Goku can't kill Buu, he can't sustain SSJ3 long enough to knock him out, and any damage he does to Buu short of killing him is instantly regenerated. Short of a ring-out, I'm not seeing how Buu is beatable in a tournament setting.

Come on Kamiccolo, you believe that Kakarotto forgot the Boo's regeneration? Seriously??? Goku has said many times that same technique does not work 2 times against him. Goku knew how to beat Pure Boo when he fight against him. One minute energy charge yes but, 10 years later he could not perfect a faster technique knowing that he ( who asked his reincarnation ) would return to fight Boo?? Seriously???

Come on guys, open your mind a little!!

[Saiga]

Actually now that I think about it, it'd be hilariously easy for Goku to get a ring out. Gohan et al were on the ground, so he can teleport to them. Easy - grab opponent, make sure you're higher up than them, teleport to Gohan or any of the others. Opponent is then touching the ground and Goku isn't.

The problem is blitzing them. If even Perfect Cell could react to Goku's IT there's no way in hell Gohan couldn't.

And Goku wouldn't kill Buu so I'm not sure where you're trying to go, we're talking about Goku vs Buu in the TB.

I wasn't talking about him using this to beat Gohan, but the others in the tournament. Gohan was on the ground spectating so Goku could use his ki as a way of quickly teleported directly to the ground. And Cell reacted because he was faster than Goku, if Goku was at least close enough to his opponent's speed (which for anyone registered in that tournament, he would be, even if he had to use SS3) he can pull it off.

[MDSTSSJ]

Actually now that I think about it, it'd be hilariously easy for Goku to get a ring out. Gohan et al were on the ground, so he can teleport to them. Easy - grab opponent, make sure you're higher up than them, teleport to Gohan or any of the others. Opponent is then touching the ground and Goku isn't.

But Goku hate easy fights! Kakarotto likes hand to hand combats with bruises, cuts, arms broken, etc.

Now if Goku wants to play, I can see it as you describe!!!

[Kamiccolo9]

That's what I was saying above. Goku can't kill Buu, he can't sustain SSJ3 long enough to knock him out, and any damage he does to Buu short of killing him is instantly regenerated. Short of a ring-out, I'm not seeing how Buu is beatable in a tournament setting.

Come on Kamiccolo, you believe that Kakarotto forgot the Boo's regeneration? Seriously??? Goku has said many times that same technique does not work 2 times against him. Goku knew how to beat Pure Boo when he fight against him. One minute energy charge yes but, 10 years later he could not perfect a faster technique knowing that he ( who asked his reincarnation ) would return to fight Boo?? Seriously???

Come on guys, open your mind a little!!

He knew how to kill Buu. He can't kill him in a tournament. I have said repeatedly, I'm referring to a hypothetical fight in a tournament setting. Aside from knocking him out of the ring, I don't see how Goku could beat Buu in a tournament. Punching Buu doesn't work; he just regenerates. Blowing holes in him, or even blowing him up doesn't work; he just regenerates. Buu's stamina is virtually limitless; Goku can only last 5 or so minutes in SSJ3. Since he can't kill Buu, Goku doesn't have a way of putting him down. Buu would just outlast him, regardless of the strength difference. And like you said above, Goku wouldn't resort to cheap methods to teleport Buu out of the ring.

In a real fight to the death, sure, Goku could kill Buu. But I'm talking about at the Budokai.

[RandomGuy96]

I actually think that Buu Saga Goku at least would lose to Mr. Buu.