Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
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GreatSaiyaman123
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by GreatSaiyaman123 » Sat May 16, 2026 12:49 pm
Hugo Boss wrote: Fri May 15, 2026 10:06 am
In that case, what about Base Goku (Super Hero) vs. SS1 Goku (Cell Games)?
Could go either way. Goku not being KO’d by Rumsshi’s scream while the Kaioshin were.
I think the biggest power up Goku has in the manga happens even before the series starts, when he’s already reclaimed his title as the strongest on Earth. That requires him to be a few times stronger than he was vs Boo. After that he only gets gradually stronger through the years (with a big, but unquantifiable boost training with Merus), but I think that’s enough for him to catch up.
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by Hugo Boss » Tue May 19, 2026 6:52 am
I don’t think there is anything that directly suggests there is a big difference in Goku’s same forms between his fight against Boo and Beerus. Most of this notion derives from the movie and anime placing Goku above Gohan and Gotenks, but this is something implied even during the Boo arc anime and movies, not something that time changed through characters getting weaker or stronger. Goku even beats an enemy that Gotenks and Gohan failed to defeat back then, which basically assured his position as the strongest.
But I agree that his training with Merus and adding Ultra Instinct to his base form are clear signs of overall big improvement. That’s why I suggested this match.
